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374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire

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Teddy Roosevelt's Convenient Legend

374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire · Jul 4, 2026 History

Teddy Roosevelt famously invited Booker T. Washington to the White House — then caved to political pressure and never invited another Black person again. He reflected the eugenics of his era. His fifth cousin Franklin was the more important president. We're lucky there was no war on TR's watch.

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LBJ: The Shakespearean Tragedy

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Burns is working on a new documentary — LBJ and the Great Society — and his assessment of Johnson is unambiguous: Shakespearean tragedy, and a raw deal from history. As a Southerner, LBJ could pass the Civil Rights Act in a way his charismatic predecessor could not. The Voting Rights Act too. He understood exactly what the political calculus would be. Then he walked into Kennedy's foreign policy apparatus — McNamara, Rusk, and others — and told them he needed them more than Kennedy did. That is where the tragedy begins. Kennedy had inherited 700 military advisors in Vietnam from Eisenhower; by his assassination, there were 17,000. Johnson made it official and legitimate in March 1965. A taping system in the Oval Office and Lady Bird's nightly reel-to-reel diary together produce, Burns argues, 'perhaps the biggest evidence of her extraordinary power': in 1965, when Johnson put boots on the ground, she recorded the prediction that 'Lyndon's not going to run again.' Three years and one New Hampshire primary later, she was right.

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Lady Bird's Prophecy

374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire · Jul 4, 2026 History

LBJ had a White House taping system. Lady Bird had a reel-to-reel recorder she used every night as a personal diary. In 1965, when Johnson put boots on the ground in Vietnam, she recorded: 'Lyndon's not going to run again.' Three years later, she was right.

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