The Hidden Third

Podbit · The Hidden Third

He Was a Violent Neo-Nazi Leader. Then He Found Out He Is Jewish.

Explore episode May 27, 2026

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Meeting Allison Mack and Life Today

At 1:47:21 · chapter starts 1:46:35

The final biographical chapter is almost disarmingly sweet. Frank is walking his half-poodle rescue in a dog park when a pit bull trots up and he compliments it on its 'beautiful pink skin' before noticing the attractive woman holding the leash. They bond over Philly connections, he invites her to 'his' restaurant (not actually his), and she shows up the following Thursday with her mother. He Googles her that Sunday and finally places the face from the NXIVM documentary he'd seen. He draws a direct line between her radicalization by Keith Raniere and his own neo-Nazi indoctrination — full brainwashing, not simple moral failure. He also confirms she is honest about her role rather than purely casting herself as a victim, which he respects from a de-radicalization perspective. Mariana asks if Allison would come on the podcast; Frank says she prefers not to relitigate it.

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