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Taking Risks: The Moth Radio Hour

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Going to Africa on Skycap Miles

Taking Risks: The Moth Radio Hour · Jul 7, 2026 Society & Culture

With a threatening ex-husband, a 3-year-old daughter, no money, and a spot at the Institute for Primate Research in Nairobi, Dr. Estella Jones burned every skycap airline mile she had and flew to Africa. It was the most dangerous, transformative decision of her life.

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Dr. Estella Jones: From Columbus to Kenya to Rear Admiral

At 22:35 · chapter starts 18:17

Dr. Estella Jones opens by establishing the depth of her starting conditions: parents who couldn't vote, a mother who scrubbed floors so she could take piano lessons, a father who shined a general's shoes. Her school in Columbus, Ohio, was built for 700 students and housed 1,600. By 12, she was going down the wrong path — until a teacher named Dr. Charles Tennant told her: 'Nothing is impossible unless you succumb to it.' By 14, she had won a scholarship to Emma Willard. She worked as a bartender, skycap, and slaughter inspector before applying to LSU vet school against 10-to-1 odds. Once there, she set her sights on primate medicine — and decided to pursue it in Africa. The obstacles were formidable: no money, a three-year-old daughter, and an ex-husband following her with a gun. She used every skycap airline mile she'd accumulated and flew to Kenya for a preceptorship at the Institute for Primate Research. Staff there warned her never to walk to work with colleagues faster than her — old lions from the adjacent national park occasionally strayed over the fence. A visit to a conservatory in Nanyuki gave her the epiphany: veterinarians are responsible for every species on earth, and no two are alike. A safari there showed her animals that were free — and reminded her of what freedom felt like. She returned to the US no longer afraid of her ex-husband and determined to pass that freedom on to her daughter. Her father, who had shined a one-star general's shoes for a living, lived to see her pin on her own star as a Rear Admiral. He died of COVID in 2021. She now carries his shoes, a symbol of dreams she intends to pass forward.

Education
The Wrong Path at 12

Taking Risks: The Moth Radio Hour · Jul 7, 2026 Education

Dr. Estella Jones grew up in poverty in Columbus, Ohio, attending a school built for 700 that housed 1,600. By age 12 she was going down the wrong path. Her 7th-grade teacher Dr. Charles Tennant pulled her back with a single line: 'Nothing is impossible unless you succumb to it.' By 14, she had turned her life around and won a scholarship to Emma Willard.

Society & Culture
Don't Walk With People Faster Than You

Taking Risks: The Moth Radio Hour · Jul 7, 2026 Society & Culture

At the Institute for Primate Research, staff warned Dr. Estella Jones to always walk to work in a group — and never with anyone faster than her. Old lions from the adjacent national park occasionally strayed over the fence. The warning was completely serious.

Society & Culture
She Left Afraid. She Came Back Free.

Taking Risks: The Moth Radio Hour · Jul 7, 2026 Society & Culture

Watching wild animals roam free across 1,200 acres while knowing what it felt like to be trapped, Dr. Estella Jones had an epiphany. She returned from Africa no longer afraid of her threatening ex-husband and determined to pass that freedom on to her daughter.

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