Podbit · We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson
Olivia describes a childhood she considered idyllic — dancing from age three, safety found in sleeping between her parents — until they divorced when she was 10 or 11. She suppressed the pain by controlling her emotions, not realising this would lay the groundwork for everything that followed.
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Paul C. Brunson opens the conversation by gently probing the Essex stereotype, which Olivia acknowledges with self-deprecating humour, admitting that pre-Love Island she did have 'bad eyebrows and bad tan.' But the mood quickly deepens as the conversation turns to family. Olivia paints a picture of a genuinely happy early childhood — dancing from age three, the warmth of sleeping between her parents — a memory so powerful she now lets her own children sleep in her bed whenever they want. The shadow falls when Paul asks about her parents' divorce, which happened when she was around ten or eleven. Olivia's first clue was noticing her parents wearing pyjamas to bed for the first time. She insists she processed it with adult-like stoicism, but admits this control was itself part of the problem: she suppressed rather than felt.
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