Podbit · All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
A woman who lost her voice before her wedding used ElevenLabs to restore it and speak her vows for the first time. This is also the work of a US Congresswoman who lost her voice to cancer and delivered the first AI-assisted congressional speech.
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Jason poses the uncomfortable question: ElevenLabs uses frontier models but enables its own potential demise by teaching them about voice. Casser is candid but composed. The company's model-agnostic stance (offering Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and open-source options to customers) is actually a strategic moat — customers build orchestration layers on ElevenLabs without being dependent on any single model. On the research side, Casser argues the voice advantage is architectural, not computational: you need fundamentally different model structures and specialized proprietary data — which is why ElevenLabs employs 1,000+ contractors just to label audio [1] — Mati Casser "ElevenLabs has consistently outperformed OpenAI and Anthropic on voice models — text-to-speech, speech-to-text, turn-taking, and music — no…" 25:55 . He describes a planned move toward owning the full interaction layer: not knowledge work or coding, but every layer of communication — text-to-speech, speech-to-text, turn-taking, music. He closes with an audacious goal: passing the voice Turing test in 2025, making AI conversation indistinguishable from a human one.
ElevenLabs has built three safeguards against voice abuse: trace every generation, moderate both voice and text inputs to block commercial scams, and provide open tools for anyone to detect whether an audio sample was AI-generated. Responsible development baked into the core product.
Voice actors who spend an hour reading copy can now create an ElevenLabs voice, license it across languages, and earn passive income. The platform has paid out over $22M to its community — turning the gig model into a royalty model.
ElevenLabs has paid over $22 million to community voice talent through its marketplace, enabling voice actors to license their voices and earn passive income.
Epic Games used ElevenLabs and the James Earl Jones estate to deploy an interactive Darth Vader in Fortnite, letting players converse with the character live. This is the model for extending celebrity IP into real-time interactive experiences across the world.
Epic Games launched an interactive Darth Vader character in Fortnite powered by ElevenLabs, in partnership with the James Earl Jones estate and Disney.
ElevenLabs has consistently outperformed OpenAI and Anthropic on voice models — text-to-speech, speech-to-text, turn-taking, and music — not through bigger compute, but through specialized architecture and 1,000+ contractors labeling proprietary audio data. Specialization beats scale here.
Anxiety is not fear. Fear has an object — a wolf, a threat. Anxiety is the vertigo of standing at the edge of infinite possibility and knowing that choosing any one thing closes off all the others. Kierkegaard argued that the depth of your anxiety is proportional to the depth of your potential.
AI nailed Andrew Huberman's vertigo-vs-low-blood-pressure diagnosis because that pattern has been reported millions of times. But every patient's liver is different and data on liver surgeries is scarce worldwide — making solo robot surgery dangerous. The rule is simple: data abundance means AI can help; data scarcity means keep the human in the loop.
Fei-Fei Li's father had liver surgery performed by a da Vinci robot guided by a surgeon. The result: 10 times less blood loss than a typical procedure. This isn't replacement — it's the gold standard of human-machine collaboration, where the human's judgment and the robot's precision combine.
US drug overdose deaths fell from 110,000 to roughly 70,000 — the biggest CDC-recorded single-year drop ever. Men's rates fell 27% in one year, and the steepest decline of all was among 15–24-year-olds, down 37%. The crisis narrative around young men needs to make room for signs of genuine progress.
Kessler thought his grief expertise would protect him. It didn't. When his son David died unexpectedly, he found himself on the floor — and eventually realized that acceptance alone wasn't enough. That unmet need became the sixth stage: finding meaning.
Grief isn't just death — it's any unwanted change. Kessler lectured at Coca-Cola and General Mills not because they had lots of funerals, but because change management is grief management. People who grieve well live well.
Witnessing someone's grief isn't just emotional support — it's an essential act of healing. Kessler argues grief is a severance and connection heals it. But real witnessing has two steps: seeing the pain AND affirming the person's capacity to recover.
Avoiding grief isn't free — it's exhausting. Kessler's beach ball metaphor nails it: pushing a small balloon down is easy, but holding a massive beach ball underwater takes constant, draining energy. Unattended feelings don't disappear; they just consume you.
Most people try to control their environment to avoid triggers. Kessler flips this entirely: triggers aren't problems to manage around — they're a detailed map to your pain and your healing. Every trigger points directly to what needs attention.
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