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Jackie Tohn Returns

Explore episode Jul 13, 2026
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The Cascade of Decisions After a BRCA Positive Result

Jackie Tohn Returns · Jul 13, 2026 Health & Fitness

Getting a BRCA positive result doesn't come with a roadmap. Jackie had to assemble five different specialists — oncologist, gynecological oncologist, breast surgeon, plastic surgeon, genetic counselor — and then navigate hundreds of daily decisions about timing, surgery type, and reconstruction. It's like being handed a nail and told to build a house.

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The Cascade of Decisions After a BRCA-Positive Diagnosis

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Once Jackie received her BRCA1 positive result, a doctor's office called almost immediately to schedule surgery — which shocked her, since she only knew about the gene, not yet the clinical protocol. She describes the experience as being handed a nail and told to build a house: suddenly she needed a gynecological oncologist, a regular oncologist, a breast surgeon, a plastic surgeon for reconstruction, and a genetic counselor. She and her husband canceled a planned trip to Europe and instead spent the summer doing a tour of Los Angeles hospitals and specialists. The wait times between each step — MRIs, biopsies, ambiguous results, call-backs — emerge as the worst part of the entire journey, even harder than the recovery.

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85% breast cancer risk

Jackie Tohn Returns · Jul 13, 2026

Jackie's genetic counselor determined she had an 85% chance of developing breast cancer due to her BRCA1 mutation.

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The Ovarian Cancer Surveillance Gap

Jackie Tohn Returns · Jul 13, 2026 Health & Fitness

Breast cancer surveillance has MRIs, biopsies, and the ability to detect stage 0 disease. Ovarian cancer has a pelvic ultrasound and not much else. Jackie's ovaries — grape-sized organs — remain difficult to screen effectively, which is exactly why BRCA-positive women are advised to remove them before 40.

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