#499 – Gary Gallagher: American Civil War, Slavery, Lincoln, Grant & Lee

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Extreme political division in US

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The conversation closes on contemporary resonances. Gallagher acknowledges the parallel between the 1850s and 2026 in one key respect: the first instinct of both political sides is to attribute the worst possible characteristics to the other. But he draws a sharp distinction between rhetoric and action — no states have actually called secession conventions, no senators have been beaten on the floor of Congress, and Texas and California's threats to secede after election results they disliked never advanced past social media. Gallagher, who describes himself as a grouchy non-optimist, nevertheless expresses genuine faith in the republic's resilience: it has survived crises far more existential than the present, and the long arc of US history is toward an expansion of freedom and rights, however messily and slowly. Lex closes by noting America's 250th birthday and his own love for the country, before delivering Sherman's famous declaration that war is hell.