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684. He Helped Clean Up the Last Crash. Does He See Another One Coming?

Explore episode Aug 7, 2026

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The CFTC Years: Cleaning Up After 2008

At 22:34 · chapter starts 14:00

President Obama's post-2008 mandate was clear: stabilize, then reform. Gensler, working with Treasury's Tim Geithner, SEC Chair Mary Shapiro, and congressional leaders including Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, implemented 67 rules under Dodd-Frank to bring transparency and competition to the derivatives and swaps markets. Eighty-five percent passed on a bipartisan basis; nearly two-thirds were unanimous. Fifteen years later, they remain largely intact. The LIBOR scandal sits at the heart of this chapter: Gensler's CFTC discovered that 16 major global banks were simply lying about their daily borrowing rates — rigging the benchmark that underpinned millions of mortgages, auto loans, and student loans worldwide. Some were colluding. Gensler's team caught them and cleaned it up. He also zooms out to chart the evolution of financial engineering — from the invention of money itself, to double-entry bookkeeping, to Salomon Brothers' first interest rate swap in the 1980s, to securitization and credit default swaps — noting Paul Volcker's famously curmudgeonly view that the ATM was the only financial innovation that truly benefited the public.

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