Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Quote · Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Susie Wolff (Managing Director of F1 Academy)

Explore episode Jun 24, 2026

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Being the Token: Isolation, Media and the Price of Being First

At 34:12 · chapter starts 33:50

Dax references Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History episode 'The Token' to frame what Susie experienced. She confirms it: there were real periods of loneliness, though she notes she can only compare her own experience. She overheard the way male drivers spoke about women and decided she never wanted to be spoken about that way — but also couldn't always be the one calling it out without losing her place in the environment. She decided to detach, protect her love of the sport, and let results do the talking. The media trade-off was real: more coverage meant more sponsorship opportunities, but it also meant photoshoot demands for leather-clad poses rather than discussions of driving. And other female drivers were invariably positioned as rivals rather than potential allies.

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