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JRE MMA Show #181 with Justin Gaethje & Trevor Wittman

Explore episode Jun 20, 2026

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The Coach-Athlete Bond: Trevor & Justin's Relationship

At 6:27 · chapter starts 3:30

Rogan pivots to the relationship between Gaethje and Wittman, calling out their YouTube series The Art of Violence as a rare, revealing document of coach and athlete in sync. Wittman pushes back on the idea of coaches who treat fighters only as friends: he considers Gaethje one of his best friends, but his primary role is that of a father who must tell hard truths even when they sting — and sometimes must let fighters go, like children, to find their own way before returning. His job, he explains, began when he sat down with Gaethje and asked about his goals. Back then the goals were to be the most exciting, most violent fighter in the world — a man people paid to see. Then the goal shifted to wanting the belt, and that change demanded hard adjustments. He uses a mint chocolate chip ice cream analogy to describe Topuria's relentless certainty and explains why that same certainty became his undoing when he met the stale version of what he expected.

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