Snapshot · Dwarkesh Podcast
Dreaming — where a model generates and trains against its own simulated environments — could become a fourth scaling axis alongside pre-training, RL, and inference-time compute.
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Dwarkesh introduces 'dreaming' — AI building its own RL environments to rehearse skills — using EfficientZero as an analogy, and positions it as a potential fourth scaling axis alongside pre-training, RL, and inference compute [1] — Dwarkesh Patel "Dreaming means the model spends compute generating its own simulated RL environments, then trains against them — rehearsing skills relevant…" 14:00 .
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