Snapshot · Dwarkesh Podcast
It's not enough for a domain to be verifiable — it must also be 'grindable', meaning you can run thousands of parallel rollouts from identical starting points in a deterministic simulator.
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At 3:20 · chapter starts 2:12
Dwarkesh introduces 'grindability' — the ability to run parallel rollouts in deterministic simulators — as the underrated reason computer use AI lags far behind coding, despite being equally verifiable [1] — Dwarkesh Patel "Verifiability alone doesn't explain which domains see rapid AI progress. The real bottleneck is grindability: can you run thousands of para…" 02:12 .
Verifiability alone doesn't explain which domains see rapid AI progress. The real bottleneck is grindability: can you run thousands of parallel rollouts from identical starting points in a deterministic simulator? Coding can; live websites cannot.
Computer use has made far slower progress than coding and math despite being clearly verifiable, because it lacks grindable, deterministic training environments.
Many skills humans have — winning court cases, building businesses, day trading — require real-world interaction with sparse, delayed feedback. There's no containerized RL environment for 'build a company as well as Sam Walton.' These domains will resist the current training paradigm.
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With AI coding tools like Cursor, Bhanu can now create a new free marketing tool in less than 5 minutes by referencing existing tools.
Bhanu filters Ahrefs keyword results to show only those with a keyword difficulty below 10, making them realistic ranking targets for any decent website.
Bhanu sets a minimum search volume of 1,000 monthly searches when selecting keywords to target with free tools.
PropGPT averaged 20 downloads per day right after launching on the App Store through influencer marketing.
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