Snapshot · The Mel Robbins Podcast
The number of times a listener hears contempt during a 15-minute conflict discussion predicts how many infectious illnesses they will have in the next 4 years.
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At 43:30 · chapter starts 42:20
Julie Gottman lays out the Four Horsemen in clinical but vivid terms. Criticism: blaming a problem on a personality flaw ('you're so selfish'). Contempt: criticism plus superiority — sneering, mockery, sarcasm, eye-rolling — which is not only the best predictor of relationship demise but also predicts how many infectious illnesses the listener will have in the next 4 years. [1] — Julie Gottman "Criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling — the Gottmans call these the Four Horsemen, and their presence in a relationship reli…" 42:20 Defensiveness: counterattacking or playing the innocent victim instead of listening. And stonewalling: complete withdrawal — not for a few seconds but for long minutes or hours — driven not by indifference but by physiological overwhelm. John adds the chilling finding about low-positivity couples who avoid the horsemen but also avoid connection: they divorce an average of 16 years after the wedding, outlasting the obvious disasters but still failing.
Criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling — the Gottmans call these the Four Horsemen, and their presence in a relationship reliably predicts its end. Contempt is the worst: it's character assassination that also predicts infectious illness. Each horseman has a specific antidote, from 'I feel statements' to taking a timed break when flooded.
Hearing contempt during a 15-minute conflict predicts how many infectious illnesses you'll have in the next 4 years. Contempt — superiority, sneering, mockery, eye-rolling — is not just hurtful: it's character assassination that destroys a person's sense of self. The Gottmans call it sulfuric acid for the immune system.
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