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#483 – Julia Shaw: Criminal Psychology of Murder, Serial Killers, Memory & Sex

Explore episode Oct 14, 2025

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Serial killers

At 37:27 · chapter starts 29:23

Shaw recounts how the Robert Pickton case — a Canadian serial killer who killed victims on his farm and allegedly fed them to pigs — first captured her attention as an undergraduate at Simon Fraser University. Her professor, Stephen Hart, was an expert witness on the trial and modeled the 'gallows humor' that made criminal psychology feel like a viable career. The pivot to the psychology of serial killers in general reveals a consistent pattern: profound loneliness undermines 'reality monitoring' — the social checks that keep extreme thinking tethered to shared reality. Without close relationships to challenge distorted thoughts, dark ideation can escalate unchecked. Shaw brings in the parallel to radicalization and psychosis: in all these cases, the absence of a social tether allows extreme worldviews to solidify. The discussion of Jeffrey Dahmer is particularly striking — Shaw expresses genuine sympathy for his desperate (and horrific) attempt to create a permanent companion, calling it a 'sad' manifestation of a desire for connection that, in its core, is universally human. Elizabeth Loftus is mentioned as another expert who has worked on high-profile criminal cases, including Ghislaine Maxwell.

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