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#314 Jen Lilley - The Dark Truth About the American Foster Care System

Explore episode Jun 18, 2026

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Jen's Own Foster Care Journey Begins

At 27:05 · chapter starts 25:00

Jen Lilley traces the roots of her advocacy to her childhood: her father was a judge and her mother worked at a crisis pregnancy center, and their home regularly housed people in transition — though never as licensed foster parents, to avoid the appearance of judicial bias. That exposure planted seeds of empathy that would eventually blossom into a full-fledged foster and adoption journey. She then lands one of the episode's most startling statistics: children in foster care are twice as likely to suffer PTSD as combat veterans. And she takes direct aim at the most common reason people give for not fostering — 'I'd get too attached.' Lilley calls this statement the most maddening thing she hears as an advocate, arguing that emotional attachment is precisely what traumatized children need from caregivers.

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