Larry Millete spent more than $1,000 on spells from multiple online spellcasters before his wife Maya disappeared.
Spellcaster testifies at murder trial. Legal fireworks in UNC student murder. Plus, cars and crime.
Larry Millete sent a spellcaster 27 messages a day asking to punish his wife — and all spell requests about Maya stopped the moment she vanished.
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Spellcaster testifies at murder trial. Legal fireworks in UNC student murder. Plus, cars and crime.
Larry Millete sent a spellcaster 27 messages a day asking to punish his wife — and all spell requests about Maya stopped the moment she vanished.
TL;DR
Dateline True Crime Weekly covers three major crime stories: the San Diego murder trial of Larry Millete, whose spellcaster purchases — including requests to "punish" and harm his wife Maya — are being used by prosecutors to establish motive [1] — Alexis Rivas "Larry Millete's messages to spellcasters started with wanting Maya to love him again, then escalated to explicit sexual demands, requests t…" 05:56 ; a controversial defense filing in the UNC student Faith Hedgepeth murder case that points suspicion at her roommate Karina [2] — Mike Nardi "The defense attorney for accused killer Miguel Salguero Olivares filed a motion arguing that Faith Hedgepeth's roommate Karina was still in…" 13:55 ; and emotional sentencing hearings for Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann and Utah murder-for-hire mastermind Tracey Grist [3] — Caitlin Cutt "Tracey Grist masterminded the ambush murder of Matthew Ristelli in 2024 by convincing her daughter to lure him to the house, where her son …" 25:20 . A forensic expert rounds things out by explaining how tire treads, touchscreens, and trash inside cars can crack a case.
Dateline True Crime Weekly covers the Larry Millete murder trial where a spellcaster testifies about escalating purchase requests, the Faith Hedgepeth murder case defense motion pointing to her roommate, sentencing hearings for Rex Heuermann and Tracey Grist, and a forensics expert on processing vehicles for crime clues.
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The episode opens with back-to-back sponsor reads for Grand Canyon University — a private nonprofit Christian university touting 17 years of frozen tuition — and Grainger, the industrial supply company. Tucked between them is a candid snippet from the Dateline producers' morning meeting, where two voices briefly discuss upcoming trials and a Facebook group that brought a case to the team's attention. It's a rare peek behind the curtain, signaling the conversational, behind-the-scenes style that characterizes Dateline True Crime Weekly before the show formally begins.
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Alison Barber, NBC News correspondent and host of the Netflix video podcast Allegedly, steps in for regular host Andrea and briskly sets up the episode's agenda. She previews the legal drama in Durham County, North Carolina, where a defense attorney is pointing the finger at a murder victim's roommate; the emotionally charged sentencing hearings for Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann and Utah murder-for-hire mastermind Tracey Grist; and a forensics expert who will explain how cars become crime scenes. The segment efficiently orients listeners before diving into the week's most compelling case.
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Week 5 of the Larry Millete trial brought one of the most unusual witnesses in recent memory to a San Diego courtroom: Frank Peavey, the heavyset redheaded man who online goes by Tess Joy — a long-haired blonde spellcaster. Alexis Rivas walks Alison Barber through the testimony, explaining how Larry paid more than $1,000 to up to five different spellcasters and sent Frank 27 messages a day, compared to the typical client's two. [1] — Alexis Rivas "Larry Millete thought he was communicating with Tess Joy, a mystical blonde woman he met online. In court, the jury met Frank Peavey — an S…" 04:38 The spell requests began with pleas for Maya to love him again, then escalated to explicit sexual demands, requests to punish her, and eventually an ask that she suffer a physical injury such as a broken bone. [2] — Alexis Rivas "Larry Millete's messages to spellcasters started with wanting Maya to love him again, then escalated to explicit sexual demands, requests t…" 05:56 The defense pushed back hard in cross-examination: not one spell asked for Maya to disappear or die — all of them wanted her closer. But prosecutors had a powerful counter-point. After Maya vanished on January 7, 2021, every single spell request about her abruptly stopped — a detail the prosecution is using as circumstantial evidence that Larry knew she was gone for good. Rivas also discusses Jamie Laird, Maya's married coworker with whom she was having an affair, whose timeline with Maya is chilling: the anniversary of their relationship was the day she vanished, and his wife gave birth the very next day. The defense sought to name Laird as an alternate suspect, but the judge ruled the evidence insufficient.
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The episode pauses for a trio of sponsor reads. Expedia promotes its rewards program with a playful 'doomscroll vacations' hook. Mazda spotlights the all-new CX-5 crossover. Shopify's segment features a first-person testimonial from Shannon Maldonado, founder of Yowie gift shop, who explains how Shopify's dashboard tools for sales tracking and inventory planning helped her build a small business without needing everything to be perfect from the start. Each read is brief and thematically varied before the podcast resumes with the Faith Hedgepeth case.
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Faith Hedgepeth was 19 years old, a biology major at UNC, and a member of the Haliwa-Saponi Native American tribe whose dream was to become a pediatrician in her home community. She was murdered in her off-campus apartment on September 7, 2012, with a cryptic handwritten note on a paper fast-food bag found next to her body: 'I'm not stupid, bitch. Jealous.' Nine years passed before an arrest was made — Miguel Salguero Olivares, a Guatemalan man who lived nearby and had no known connection to Faith, whose DNA allegedly matched evidence at the scene. Now, in a stunning pretrial motion, his defense attorney James Rainsford has filed a motion calling Faith's roommate Karina Rosario a material witness and raising pointed questions about her story. [1] — Mike Nardi "The defense attorney for accused killer Miguel Salguero Olivares filed a motion arguing that Faith Hedgepeth's roommate Karina was still in…" 13:55 The motion notes that a 2-inch transfer bloodstain — the kind left when someone with blood on their hands touches a surface — was found in the bathroom exactly where Karina said she had been sitting. The friend who picked Karina up that night reportedly told investigators he spotted a small smudge of blood on her right finger, and a potential blood stain was found on the car's interior door handle. Most critically, the medical examiner placed Faith's time of death at around 2:51 AM, while Karina and her friend said she didn't leave until after 4 AM — meaning, the defense argues, she was home when the murder happened. [2] — Mike Nardi "Medical examiner placed Faith's death at 2:51 AM: The medical examiner determined Faith Hedgepeth died around 2:51 AM — before her roommate…" 17:19 The prosecution has called the motion's contents falsehoods, asked for future pretrial filings to be sealed, and the judge refused but left the door open. Karina has never spoken publicly about the case and has never been charged.
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Alison Barber signals the transition to Dateline Roundup — covering the Gilgo Beach and Tracey Grist sentencing hearings — before the episode breaks for three sponsor reads. SiriusXM Aviation promotes its satellite-delivered high-resolution weather data for pilots. Ro Health offers a pathway to a $50 copay on GLP-1 weight-loss medications for those with qualifying insurance. Lemonade Pet Insurance pitches tailor-made coverage that can save pet owners up to 90% on vet bills, with instant claims processing through its app. After the ad block, Dateline booking producer Caitlin Cutt joins Alison Barber for the roundup.
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When police searched a remote stretch of Long Island coastline in 2010 looking for a missing woman, they found far more than they bargained for: 11 sets of human remains, some wrapped in burlap, some dismembered. Rex Heuermann — an architect, husband, and father from Long Island — pled guilty this past April to murdering 7 of the women and admitted responsibility for an 8th. Caitlin Cutt sets the scene for Alison Barber: a packed courtroom, families who had waited years for answers, and a defendant who walked in emotionless in a suit with a blue shirt and yellow tie. [1] — Caitlin Cutt "Rex Heuermann walked into sentencing emotionless and left with 3 life sentences, no possibility of parole. The judge called him a 'disgusti…" 21:20 Victim impact statements were read for each of the 8 women, and Valerie Mack's family delivered some of the most powerful words of the hearing. Her son, who had grown up believing his mother had willingly left him after they played video games together the night before she disappeared, told the court what had been stolen from him. Heuermann spoke briefly, offering only a hollow acknowledgment: 'I am responsible for what was said in this room today.' Judge Timothy Mazzei wasn't satisfied, pressing the killer on whether he felt even a sliver of remorse for his victims before delivering a withering verdict: 'You're a disgusting and despicable small man. And you're a coward.' [2] — Judge Timothy Mazzei "You're a disgusting and despicable small man. And you're a coward." 24:59 Heuermann was sentenced to 3 counts of life without the possibility of parole.
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In July 2024, Matthew Ristelli drove to his mother-in-law Tracey Grist's home in Utah, believing he was picking up his wife and children. Minutes after arriving, he was shot dead. Caitlin Cutt explains how investigators quickly rejected Tracey's self-defense claim and built a case showing the killing was premeditated: Tracey, the prosecution argued, had orchestrated an ambush using her daughter Kate as bait and her son Kevin Ellis as the shooter. Kate pleaded guilty and testified against her own family. [1] — Caitlin Cutt "Tracey Grist masterminded the ambush murder of Matthew Ristelli in 2024 by convincing her daughter to lure him to the house, where her son …" 25:20 At sentencing, Matthew's younger brother Jonathan addressed Tracey directly, telling her that a grandmother is supposed to protect her grandchildren, not destroy their future. Judge Roger Griffin's words were equally harsh: he called Tracey 'incredibly dangerous' and said her willingness to kill for convenience overcame any rehabilitative potential. [2] — Judge Roger Griffin "In the court's view, you're incredibly dangerous, and your character and actions show that any rehabilitative needs are overcome by your wi…" 27:14 Griffin sentenced her to 15 years to life for murder, with additional consecutive sentences for conspiracy and two domestic violence charges — all to run back to back, not concurrently.
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Cars have become crime scenes, murder weapons, and silent witnesses in an increasing number of high-profile cases — from Karen Reed to McKenzie Sherrillah to the alleged David singer case involving a body found in a Tesla trunk. Dr. Mike McCutcheon, a former detective sergeant with over 21 years of experience, joins Alison Barber to explain the forensic framework that turns a vehicle into evidence. He breaks down three layers: the exterior (tire treads with unique characteristics like embedded rocks, cuts, or flat repairs that match crime scene patterns), the interior (fingerprints on door handles, windows, steering wheels, and especially touchscreens, which he jokes are essentially fingerprint collection devices), and telematics (GPS and navigation data that establishes where a car has been and when). [1] — Dr. Mike McCutcheon "A car has three forensic layers: the exterior, the interior, and the telematics. Unique tire characteristics can match a tread at a crime s…" 29:20 Everyday detritus — coffee cups, straws, food wrappers, and receipts — provides both DNA and location evidence that, cross-referenced with telematics, creates a forensic timeline. When a car is a secondary scene rather than the primary crime location, Luminol or Blue Star reveals cleaned-up bloodstains, while digital forensics trace the vehicle's route back to the original scene — a painstaking process involving gas station surveillance footage and hours of cross-referencing. [2] — Dr. Mike McCutcheon "If a body is transported in a car rather than killed there, investigators use Luminol to detect cleaned-up blood and vehicle telematics to …" 32:00 McCutcheon closes with a memorable case: an ex-boyfriend caught trying to firebomb his ex-girlfriend's house using gasoline in apple juice jars with cloth wicks — undone by a single matching sock found in his car.
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Alison Barber wraps up by promoting colleague Keith Morrison's new podcast series Five Miles from Home, which chronicles the murder of 16-year-old track star Mickey Costanzo — the first four episodes are available now, with early ad-free access to remaining episodes through Dateline Premium. She also teases Friday's Dateline NBC special, Secrets Unmasked, described as involving a bizarre silicone face mask clue. The episode concludes with full production credits — producers, sound designer Jesse McGinty, executive producer Paul Ryan, and senior executive producer Liz Cole — and a final sponsor read for Capital One Bank, highlighting no fees or minimums on checking accounts and the bank's café locations open seven days a week.
- Telematics
- Vehicle data systems that record location, start/stop times, and navigation history — used by investigators to reconstruct a vehicle's movements.
- Transfer stain
- A bloodstain created when blood is physically moved from one surface to another, such as from a person's hand dripping or smearing onto a surface — as opposed to blood that fell directly.
- Third-party culpability
- A legal defense strategy arguing that someone other than the defendant committed the crime; requires the defense to present sufficient supporting evidence to raise reasonable doubt.
- Certificate to secure attendance
- A legal mechanism allowing a court to compel a witness who lives in another state to appear at a trial.
- Luminol / Blue Star
- Chemiluminescent reagents used by crime scene investigators to detect trace amounts of blood that have been cleaned up, by causing it to glow under UV or low light conditions.
- DWI
- Driving While Intoxicated — a criminal charge for operating a vehicle under the influence of alcohol or drugs; mentioned in the Faith Hedgepeth case as how investigators may have obtained a DNA sample from the accused.
- Pretrial motion
- A formal request filed with a court before trial begins, asking the judge to make a ruling on a legal issue — such as admissibility of evidence or summoning a witness.
- Material witness
- A person whose testimony is considered essential to determining the outcome of a legal case, and who may be legally compelled to appear in court.
- Life without parole
- A prison sentence that keeps an offender incarcerated permanently with no eligibility for release on parole; the maximum sentence short of the death penalty.
- SEO
- Search Engine Optimization — the practice of improving a website's visibility in internet search results; mentioned as Frank Peavey's day job.
- Consecutive sentences
- Multiple prison sentences served one after another rather than simultaneously — meaning the total time served equals the sum of all sentences combined.
- Energies worker
- A self-described practitioner of mystical or spiritual energy manipulation; Frank Peavey claimed to be a 'licensed energies worker,' though no such official license exists.
- Coven
- A group or assembly of witches or practitioners of magic; Frank Peavey claimed to have joined a mystical coven in 1997 as the basis of his spellcasting credentials.
- Abortion paperwork
- Documents related to a pregnancy termination procedure; found during a police search of the Millete home, potentially corroborating spell requests in which Larry referenced a possible pregnancy.
Chapter 2 · 01:23
Episode Introduction: Alison Barber Sets the Docket
Alison Barber, NBC News correspondent and host of the Netflix video podcast Allegedly, steps in for regular host Andrea and briskly sets up the episode's agenda. She previews the legal drama in Durham County, North Carolina, where a defense attorney is pointing the finger at a murder victim's roommate; the emotionally charged sentencing hearings for Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann and Utah murder-for-hire mastermind Tracey Grist; and a forensics expert who will explain how cars become crime scenes. The segment efficiently orients listeners before diving into the week's most compelling case.
Claims made here
Larry Millete spent more than $1,000 on spells in the weeks before his wife Maya's disappearance.
Chapter 3 · 02:55
Larry Millete Murder Trial: The Spellcaster Takes the Stand
Week 5 of the Larry Millete trial brought one of the most unusual witnesses in recent memory to a San Diego courtroom: Frank Peavey, the heavyset redheaded man who online goes by Tess Joy — a long-haired blonde spellcaster. Alexis Rivas walks Alison Barber through the testimony, explaining how Larry paid more than $1,000 to up to five different spellcasters and sent Frank 27 messages a day, compared to the typical client's two. [1] — Alexis Rivas "Larry Millete thought he was communicating with Tess Joy, a mystical blonde woman he met online. In court, the jury met Frank Peavey — an S…" 04:38 The spell requests began with pleas for Maya to love him again, then escalated to explicit sexual demands, requests to punish her, and eventually an ask that she suffer a physical injury such as a broken bone. [2] — Alexis Rivas "Larry Millete's messages to spellcasters started with wanting Maya to love him again, then escalated to explicit sexual demands, requests t…" 05:56 The defense pushed back hard in cross-examination: not one spell asked for Maya to disappear or die — all of them wanted her closer. But prosecutors had a powerful counter-point. After Maya vanished on January 7, 2021, every single spell request about her abruptly stopped — a detail the prosecution is using as circumstantial evidence that Larry knew she was gone for good. Rivas also discusses Jamie Laird, Maya's married coworker with whom she was having an affair, whose timeline with Maya is chilling: the anniversary of their relationship was the day she vanished, and his wife gave birth the very next day. The defense sought to name Laird as an alternate suspect, but the judge ruled the evidence insufficient.
Claims made here
Maya Millete vanished from her Chula Vista home on January 7, 2021; the last footage of her was from a neighbor's surveillance camera showing her entering but never leaving.
Frank Peavey claims to have joined a mystical coven in 1997 and to be a licensed energies worker, though no license for magical energy exists.
Frank Peavey typically receives about 2 messages a day from clients, but Larry Millete sent him 27 messages a day.
After Maya Millete disappeared, all of Larry Millete's spell requests mentioning her stopped completely.
Abortion paperwork was found by police during their third search of the Millete home when Larry was arrested.
Maya Millete, 39, vanished from her home in Chula Vista on January 7, 2021; no footage exists of her leaving the house.
Larry Millete thought he was communicating with Tess Joy, a mystical blonde woman he met online. In court, the jury met Frank Peavey — an SEO worker by day who claimed to have joined a mystical coven in 1997 and earned a degree from a university that doesn't exist. He sent 27 messages a day to Larry; Frank says most clients send two.
Larry Millete's messages to spellcasters started with wanting Maya to love him again, then escalated to explicit sexual demands, requests to punish her, and even asking for her to suffer a broken bone. When Maya disappeared, every single spell request about her stopped immediately — a pattern prosecutors are using to argue he knew exactly where she was.
Larry Millete sent spellcaster Frank Peavey 27 messages a day, far above the typical 2 messages per day Frank received from other clients.
The defense drilled one point in cross: not a single spell asked for Maya to disappear or die. Every purchase was about keeping her in Larry's life. It's a thin line between obsession and love — and the defense wants the jury to see a desperate husband, not a cold-blooded killer.
Larry Millete's spell requests escalated from asking for Maya's love, to explicit sexual demands, to asking that she be punished and suffer a physical injury like a broken bone.
Prosecutors highlighted that after Maya Millete disappeared, all of Larry's spell requests mentioning her abruptly stopped — a detail the prosecution considers highly significant.
Maya Millete was having an affair with her married coworker Jamie Laird, whose wife was three months pregnant when it started. The anniversary of their affair was the same day Maya vanished. The next day, his wife gave birth. The defense wanted to point to Laird as the killer — but the judge ruled there wasn't enough evidence to bring it up in court.
Chapter 5 · 12:00
Faith Hedgepeth Murder Case: Defense Points to the Roommate
Faith Hedgepeth was 19 years old, a biology major at UNC, and a member of the Haliwa-Saponi Native American tribe whose dream was to become a pediatrician in her home community. She was murdered in her off-campus apartment on September 7, 2012, with a cryptic handwritten note on a paper fast-food bag found next to her body: 'I'm not stupid, bitch. Jealous.' Nine years passed before an arrest was made — Miguel Salguero Olivares, a Guatemalan man who lived nearby and had no known connection to Faith, whose DNA allegedly matched evidence at the scene. Now, in a stunning pretrial motion, his defense attorney James Rainsford has filed a motion calling Faith's roommate Karina Rosario a material witness and raising pointed questions about her story. [1] — Mike Nardi "The defense attorney for accused killer Miguel Salguero Olivares filed a motion arguing that Faith Hedgepeth's roommate Karina was still in…" 13:55 The motion notes that a 2-inch transfer bloodstain — the kind left when someone with blood on their hands touches a surface — was found in the bathroom exactly where Karina said she had been sitting. The friend who picked Karina up that night reportedly told investigators he spotted a small smudge of blood on her right finger, and a potential blood stain was found on the car's interior door handle. Most critically, the medical examiner placed Faith's time of death at around 2:51 AM, while Karina and her friend said she didn't leave until after 4 AM — meaning, the defense argues, she was home when the murder happened. [2] — Mike Nardi "Medical examiner placed Faith's death at 2:51 AM: The medical examiner determined Faith Hedgepeth died around 2:51 AM — before her roommate…" 17:19 The prosecution has called the motion's contents falsehoods, asked for future pretrial filings to be sealed, and the judge refused but left the door open. Karina has never spoken publicly about the case and has never been charged.
Claims made here
Miguel Salguero Olivares's DNA matched DNA found at the scene of Faith Hedgepeth's murder, according to the North Carolina Attorney General.
The defense in the Faith Hedgepeth case argued that a 2-inch bloodstain found in the bathroom was a transfer stain of Faith's blood, located exactly where Karina said she had been sitting.
The medical examiner determined Faith Hedgepeth died around 2:51 AM, while roommate Karina and her friend stated Karina left the apartment after 4 AM.
Next to Faith Hedgepeth's body, investigators found a handwritten note on a paper fast-food bag that read: 'I'm not stupid, bitch. Jealous.' The aggressive note pointed to a personal motive, yet when an arrest finally came nine years later, the accused killer had no known connection to Faith — deepening the mystery at the heart of the case.
Faith Hedgepeth was killed on September 7, 2012, and the murder trial is finally scheduled for September 2026 — nearly 14 years after her death.
Faith Hedgepeth was 19 years old, a biology major at UNC, and a member of the Haliwa-Saponi Native American tribe. Her dream was to return home and become a pediatrician. She was temporarily sharing a one-bedroom apartment with her friend Karina while waiting on financial aid — and that apartment became the scene of her murder.
The defense attorney for accused killer Miguel Salguero Olivares filed a motion arguing that Faith Hedgepeth's roommate Karina was still in the apartment when the medical examiner says Faith died at 2:51 AM. Karina said she left after 4 AM. There was also a 2-inch transfer bloodstain in the bathroom where Karina said she had been sitting — and a blood smudge reportedly spotted on her finger by the friend who drove her away.
Crime scene investigators found a 2-inch transfer bloodstain in the bathroom right where Faith Hedgepeth's roommate Karina said she had been sitting the night of the murder.
The medical examiner determined Faith Hedgepeth died around 2:51 AM — before her roommate Karina claimed to have left the apartment after 4 AM.
Chapter 7 · 21:10
Gilgo Beach Sentencing: Rex Heuermann Gets 3 Life Terms
When police searched a remote stretch of Long Island coastline in 2010 looking for a missing woman, they found far more than they bargained for: 11 sets of human remains, some wrapped in burlap, some dismembered. Rex Heuermann — an architect, husband, and father from Long Island — pled guilty this past April to murdering 7 of the women and admitted responsibility for an 8th. Caitlin Cutt sets the scene for Alison Barber: a packed courtroom, families who had waited years for answers, and a defendant who walked in emotionless in a suit with a blue shirt and yellow tie. [1] — Caitlin Cutt "Rex Heuermann walked into sentencing emotionless and left with 3 life sentences, no possibility of parole. The judge called him a 'disgusti…" 21:20 Victim impact statements were read for each of the 8 women, and Valerie Mack's family delivered some of the most powerful words of the hearing. Her son, who had grown up believing his mother had willingly left him after they played video games together the night before she disappeared, told the court what had been stolen from him. Heuermann spoke briefly, offering only a hollow acknowledgment: 'I am responsible for what was said in this room today.' Judge Timothy Mazzei wasn't satisfied, pressing the killer on whether he felt even a sliver of remorse for his victims before delivering a withering verdict: 'You're a disgusting and despicable small man. And you're a coward.' [2] — Judge Timothy Mazzei "You're a disgusting and despicable small man. And you're a coward." 24:59 Heuermann was sentenced to 3 counts of life without the possibility of parole.
Claims made here
Rex Heuermann pled guilty to murdering 7 of the Gilgo Beach victims and admitted responsibility for an 8th.
Judge Timothy Mazzei sentenced Rex Heuermann to 3 counts of life without parole.
Rex Heuermann walked into sentencing emotionless and left with 3 life sentences, no possibility of parole. The judge called him a 'disgusting, despicable small man' and a coward. Valerie Mack's family — including a son who spent years believing his mother abandoned him — spoke directly to the man who robbed him of his childhood.
Police searching a remote stretch of Long Island coastline in 2010 ultimately discovered 11 sets of human remains, launching one of the most significant serial killer investigations in recent U.S. history.
Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was sentenced to 3 counts of life without parole for murdering at least 7 women, with responsibility admitted for an 8th.
Chapter 8 · 25:20
Tracey Grist Sentencing: The Utah Murder-for-Hire Mastermind
In July 2024, Matthew Ristelli drove to his mother-in-law Tracey Grist's home in Utah, believing he was picking up his wife and children. Minutes after arriving, he was shot dead. Caitlin Cutt explains how investigators quickly rejected Tracey's self-defense claim and built a case showing the killing was premeditated: Tracey, the prosecution argued, had orchestrated an ambush using her daughter Kate as bait and her son Kevin Ellis as the shooter. Kate pleaded guilty and testified against her own family. [1] — Caitlin Cutt "Tracey Grist masterminded the ambush murder of Matthew Ristelli in 2024 by convincing her daughter to lure him to the house, where her son …" 25:20 At sentencing, Matthew's younger brother Jonathan addressed Tracey directly, telling her that a grandmother is supposed to protect her grandchildren, not destroy their future. Judge Roger Griffin's words were equally harsh: he called Tracey 'incredibly dangerous' and said her willingness to kill for convenience overcame any rehabilitative potential. [2] — Judge Roger Griffin "In the court's view, you're incredibly dangerous, and your character and actions show that any rehabilitative needs are overcome by your wi…" 27:14 Griffin sentenced her to 15 years to life for murder, with additional consecutive sentences for conspiracy and two domestic violence charges — all to run back to back, not concurrently.
Claims made here
Tracey Grist was sentenced to 15 years to life for murder, plus additional consecutive prison time for conspiracy and two counts of domestic violence in the presence of a child.
Tracey Grist masterminded the ambush murder of Matthew Ristelli in 2024 by convincing her daughter to lure him to the house, where her son shot him. The judge called her 'incredibly dangerous' and sentenced her to 15 years to life, plus additional consecutive time. His brother told her she had destroyed her own grandchildren's future.
Tracey Grist, convicted of masterminding the 2024 murder of her son-in-law Matthew Ristelli, was sentenced to 15 years to life plus additional consecutive sentences for conspiracy and domestic violence charges.
Chapter 9 · 28:40
Cars and Crime: How Forensic Investigators Process a Vehicle
Cars have become crime scenes, murder weapons, and silent witnesses in an increasing number of high-profile cases — from Karen Reed to McKenzie Sherrillah to the alleged David singer case involving a body found in a Tesla trunk. Dr. Mike McCutcheon, a former detective sergeant with over 21 years of experience, joins Alison Barber to explain the forensic framework that turns a vehicle into evidence. He breaks down three layers: the exterior (tire treads with unique characteristics like embedded rocks, cuts, or flat repairs that match crime scene patterns), the interior (fingerprints on door handles, windows, steering wheels, and especially touchscreens, which he jokes are essentially fingerprint collection devices), and telematics (GPS and navigation data that establishes where a car has been and when). [1] — Dr. Mike McCutcheon "A car has three forensic layers: the exterior, the interior, and the telematics. Unique tire characteristics can match a tread at a crime s…" 29:20 Everyday detritus — coffee cups, straws, food wrappers, and receipts — provides both DNA and location evidence that, cross-referenced with telematics, creates a forensic timeline. When a car is a secondary scene rather than the primary crime location, Luminol or Blue Star reveals cleaned-up bloodstains, while digital forensics trace the vehicle's route back to the original scene — a painstaking process involving gas station surveillance footage and hours of cross-referencing. [2] — Dr. Mike McCutcheon "If a body is transported in a car rather than killed there, investigators use Luminol to detect cleaned-up blood and vehicle telematics to …" 32:00 McCutcheon closes with a memorable case: an ex-boyfriend caught trying to firebomb his ex-girlfriend's house using gasoline in apple juice jars with cloth wicks — undone by a single matching sock found in his car.
Claims made here
Dr. Mike McCutcheon has over 21 years of experience as a crime scene investigator and estimates he has processed hundreds of vehicles.
Vehicle touchscreens function as effective fingerprint collectors because users must touch them to operate the vehicle.
Investigators can use Luminol or Blue Star reagents to detect blood that has been cleaned up inside a vehicle when investigating it as a potential crime scene.
Former detective sergeant Dr. Mike McCutcheon has over 21 years of crime scene investigation experience and estimates he has forensically processed hundreds of vehicles.
A car has three forensic layers: the exterior, the interior, and the telematics. Unique tire characteristics can match a tread at a crime scene. Touchscreens collect fingerprints by design. And everyday trash — coffee cups, straws, receipts — can cross-reference a suspect's movements with GPS data to lock down a timeline.
If a body is transported in a car rather than killed there, investigators use Luminol to detect cleaned-up blood and vehicle telematics to trace the route. But tracking a car to a gas station means pulling surveillance footage, identifying people, and cross-referencing every digital breadcrumb — a time-consuming process that can take months.
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39-year-old woman who vanished from her Chula Vista home in January 2021; her husband Larry is on trial for her murder.
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Navy optician on trial for the 2021 murder of his wife Maya Millete; prosecutors used his spell purchases to establish motive.
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19-year-old UNC biology student murdered in her off-campus apartment on September 7, 2012; her accused killer stands trial in September 2026.
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Faith Hedgepeth's roommate who discovered her body; the defense in the Hedgepeth murder trial filed a motion raising questions about her presence at the scene during the time of death.
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Gilgo Beach serial killer — architect from Long Island who pled guilty to murdering 7 women and admitted responsibility for an 8th; sentenced to 3 life terms without parole.
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Utah mother convicted of masterminding the 2024 murder of her son-in-law Matthew Ristelli over a custody dispute; sentenced to 15 years to life.
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The man behind the 'Tess Joy' online spellcasting persona who testified in the Larry Millete murder trial about Larry's escalating and obsessive spell requests.
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Maya Millete's married coworker with whom she was having an affair; the defense attempted to name him as an alternate suspect but was denied by the judge.
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Tracey Grist's son-in-law who was lured to her Utah home and shot dead in 2024 as part of a murder plot orchestrated over a custody dispute.
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Guatemalan man charged with the first-degree murder and rape of UNC student Faith Hedgepeth; his DNA allegedly matched DNA found at the scene.
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One of Rex Heuermann's Gilgo Beach murder victims; her family, including a son who grew up believing she had abandoned him, delivered emotional impact statements at sentencing.
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Tracey Grist's son who shot and killed Matthew Ristelli at Tracey's direction; convicted of murder and sentenced earlier in 2025.
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The university Faith Hedgepeth was attending when she was murdered in her off-campus apartment in September 2012.
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Remote stretch of Long Island coastline where 11 sets of human remains were discovered in 2010, leading to the identification of Rex Heuermann as a serial killer.
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San Diego suburb where Maya Millete lived and disappeared from in January 2021.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
Maya Millete vanished from her Chula Vista home on January 7, 2021; the last footage of her was from a neighbor's surveillance camera showing her entering but never leaving.
Larry Millete spent more than $1,000 on spells from multiple online spellcasters before his wife Maya disappeared.
Frank Peavey typically receives about 2 messages a day from clients, but Larry Millete sent him 27 messages a day.
Frank Peavey claims to have joined a mystical coven in 1997 and to be a licensed energies worker, though no license for magical energy exists.
After Maya Millete disappeared, all of Larry Millete's spell requests mentioning her stopped completely.
Abortion paperwork was found by police during their third search of the Millete home when Larry was arrested.
The defense in the Faith Hedgepeth case argued that a 2-inch bloodstain found in the bathroom was a transfer stain of Faith's blood, located exactly where Karina said she had been sitting.
The medical examiner determined Faith Hedgepeth died around 2:51 AM, while roommate Karina and her friend stated Karina left the apartment after 4 AM.
Miguel Salguero Olivares's DNA matched DNA found at the scene of Faith Hedgepeth's murder, according to the North Carolina Attorney General.
Rex Heuermann pled guilty to murdering 7 of the Gilgo Beach victims and admitted responsibility for an 8th.
Judge Timothy Mazzei sentenced Rex Heuermann to 3 counts of life without parole.
Tracey Grist was sentenced to 15 years to life for murder, plus additional consecutive prison time for conspiracy and two counts of domestic violence in the presence of a child.
Dr. Mike McCutcheon has over 21 years of experience as a crime scene investigator and estimates he has processed hundreds of vehicles.
Vehicle touchscreens function as effective fingerprint collectors because users must touch them to operate the vehicle.
Investigators can use Luminol or Blue Star reagents to detect blood that has been cleaned up inside a vehicle when investigating it as a potential crime scene.