Myles Garrett & AJ Brown Got Traded, Caleb Williams on Madden Cover, Da Bears & Shirtless Ben Johnson | EP 194

Myles Garrett & AJ Brown Got Traded, Caleb Williams on Madden Cover, Da Bears & Shirtless Ben Johnson | EP 194

Caleb Williams says swimming — not baseball — is the secret behind his crazy unorthodox throws, and he predicts he'll be on back-to-back Madden covers.

Jun 3, 2026 1:07:35 Difficulty: Beginner Played

TL;DR

Jason and Travis Kelce break down two seismic NFL trades — AJ Brown heading to the Patriots and Myles Garrett to the Rams — before welcoming Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams for a wide-ranging chat. Caleb reveals how swimming shaped his unorthodox throws, explains why year two under Ben Johnson feels entirely different, and reacts to landing the Madden NFL 27 cover. The single most useful takeaway: the Bears' tight end room now has three elite players, and Caleb thinks it's one of the biggest mismatches in the league.

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Jason and Travis Kelce react to AJ Brown's trade to the Patriots and Myles Garrett's blockbuster move to the Rams, unbox the New Heights x OluKai sandal collab, recap Jason's Be Philly charity golf tournament, and interview Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams about year two with Ben Johnson, his unorthodox throwing mechanics, the Madden NFL 27 cover, and more.

Chapter list
  • The first three minutes of the episode are devoted to sponsor reads. The Home Depot is framed as the official FIFA World Cup 2026 supporter, offering fast free delivery on over 2 million items to help fans set up backyard watch parties. A standalone Mobil Supreme Plus Premium gasoline spot follows, featuring motorsports legend Shirley 'Cha-Cha' Muldowney as a proof point for the product's engine-cleaning claims. A brief Reese's jingle closes the pre-show block before the main episode begins.

  • Travis Kelce opens the main episode with the show's signature greeting — calling out the 92 Percenters worldwide — before introducing himself and Jason. The brothers quickly tease the two big agenda items: reacting to a wild batch of NFL offseason trades and sitting down with Caleb Williams. Travis plugs the YouTube channel and social handle before handing to Jason for a full preview.

  • Jason sets the stage: the AJ Brown trade to New England wasn't a shock — it was a slow-motion inevitability visible since the draft, when the Eagles selected a wide receiver in round one. Jason is careful to absolve AJ of blame, explaining that the Eagles' passing game had steadily declined since their 2022 Super Bowl run, and that when execution falters, emotions follow. The franchise's offense grew stale, the run game stalled with injuries, and the play-calling failed to adjust. Brown's public frustration was simply the most visible symptom. Jason and Travis both express genuine excitement about what New England's setup offers Brown: Drake May, Josh McDaniels, and a team fresh off a Super Bowl appearance. Jason closes with a forward-looking optimism about the Eagles' identity reset under new offensive coordinator Sean Mannion, calling out DeVonta Smith, Saquon Barkley, and Dallas Goedert as the weapons that remain.

  • Travis drops the bigger bombshell: Myles Garrett, the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, is headed to the Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and three future draft picks. Jason's verdict is that Cleveland wins on the future and LA wins on the present. The Rams' win-now logic is familiar — it's the same aggressive approach that earned them their last Super Bowl, cap consequences and all. Jason then makes a passionate case for Verse: his bull rush is potentially the best in the NFL (he put 6'9", 365 lb Jordan Mailata on his back), and 7.5 rookie sacks are just the starting point. Add a single finesse move and Jason sees double-digit sacks as the floor every year. Travis delivers the staggering stat: the Rams have made only two first-round picks since trading for Stafford — Verse and new rookie Ty Simpson. The segment closes with Jason and Travis joking about Aaron Donald potentially coming out of retirement to pair with Garrett on the same D-line, calling it outright cheating.

  • Jason pivots to Nick Herbig — a Steelers backup outside linebacker he trained with in college and knows personally through his brother Nate. Herbig just became the highest-paid non-starter in NFL history, reportedly at around $100 million, and Jason vouches for it wholeheartedly, calling him a legitimate disruptor who flashes on every snap. The conversation then shifts to the Chiefs' OTAs, where Eric Bienemy has returned as offensive coordinator. Travis is electric about it. He quotes Trey Smith's devastating one-liner — 'get it together or he'll get you together' — and Patrick Mahomes' endorsement that EB's first meeting had him ready to run through a brick wall. For Travis, Bienemy's accountability-first culture is something the Chiefs have missed, and he says players unfamiliar with Bienemy haven't seen the real EB yet. He closes with a characteristically raw declaration: 'I can't wait till he motherfucks me, man.'

  • In a fun off-football detour, the brothers crack open the limited New Heights x OluKai sandal collaboration live — neither had seen the finished product before this moment. The sandals feature football stitching, a contoured footbed with arch support (Jason's big selling point against flat foam flip-flops), premium leather, and each pair comes with a card bearing Jason and Travis's gold signatures. Jason — a self-professed flip-flop fanatic who famously wore sandals to the Walter Payton Man of the Year ceremony in a full suit — declares these the best flip-flops he's ever worn. Travis notes the thick strap construction that won't snap under heavy guys. Caleb Williams, present for the segment, requests one of Jason's Hawaiian shirts in exchange. The collab is available now at kelceclubhouse.com.

  • Jason runs through the show's upcoming events. The New Heights live show at the Orpheum Theatre in Los Angeles on June 15th is nearly sold out, and Jason hints that one mystery guest could sell the venue out on his own. The 4th annual Beer Bowl returns in Seattle on June 25th — entries close June 10th — and this year features a 250-gallon beer tank at the Wednesday evening pre-event, with $100,000 going to charity if all the beer is consumed. Travis also plugs the 'No Dumb Questions' book, describing it as 'a great shitter read' available on Amazon, Kelce Clubhouse, and wherever books are sold.

  • A mid-episode sponsor block covers the three main presenting partners. Enterprise's sweepstakes asks fans to post on X with #OnEveryCorner and tag @Enterprise when a corner kick is called — a corner kick goal means you could win a car. American Express Platinum's lounge network pitch is delivered by Travis with genuine enthusiasm. The Home Depot FIFA World Cup pitch repeats from the open, this time with Travis adding that the fast free delivery is making him want to barbecue.

  • Jason paints a vivid picture of the third annual Be Philly Underdog charity golf outing at Rolling Green — a full-day fundraiser for Philadelphia families and kids. The event was backed by Toyota as presenting sponsor and featured award-winning pitmaster Chris Lilly of Big Bob Gibson's in Decatur, Alabama (home of the Alabama white sauce), making brisket, ribs, and chicken wings right on the course. An Elvis impersonator drove the grounds, a mariachi band played a par-3 hole, and the beloved heckling hole returned for a third year, with Philadelphia fans screaming at golfers in true Eagles fan fashion. The highlight: Philly Santa, one of the Eagles Autism Foundation's biggest fundraisers, was 'hit' by an exploding golf ball and collapsed — triggering Jason to sprint over from the next hole and deliver CPR. Travis and Jason laugh that Jason might have actually cracked Santa's ribs. Kai's team came in second place, prompting Jason to suggest restricting her tee shot to the women's red tees next year.

  • Jason reads Caleb's full introduction — USC Heisman winner, #1 draft pick in 2024, back-to-back GQ Most Stylish Football Player — and Caleb immediately deflects the GQ credit back to Jason with the playful line 'ever since you retired, I've stuck in for you.' Travis asks about his stylist; Caleb says it's all him, admitting he throws his game-day look together the day before travel so he can't go back and change it. The energy is immediately warm and easy, setting up a long interview segment.

  • Caleb is effusive about the difference a full year in the system makes. He and Ben Johnson meet daily in the coach's office — laughing, reviewing film, tweaking routes — and in year one, the Bears could barely spit out a play call at this stage of the offseason. Now they're running perfect plays, getting in and out of the huddle fast, and working through checks that last year were near impossible. Caleb estimates the offense genuinely clicked around the Vikings game in year one and that his personal confidence snowballed from there. He also reflects on the frustration of watching tape from year one — the missed throws, the runs that didn't hit — but frames it as fuel rather than regret. Jason then asks about the transition to more under-center snaps (drawing a parallel to what the Eagles are now doing with Jalen Hurts), and Caleb confirms it took roughly until the second game to fully sync with Ben.

  • Travis brings up the viral playoff throw — rolling left while hips and legs point toward the sideline, somehow generating enough power to drop the ball in the back of the end zone. Caleb breaks it down: he created enough space to flip around, spotted Cole Kmet at 6'5" against a smaller corner, and trusted his legs to generate power even with his body sideways. The conversation then pivots to where those mechanics came from. Everyone assumed baseball; the answer is swimming. Caleb swam backstroke, freestyle, individual medley, and relay events — and attributes the shoulder flexibility and rotational strength from the water to his ability to throw from impossible angles. He also played soccer and basketball growing up, but never baseball. Travis and Jason are genuinely surprised, and Caleb sums it up simply: 'I don't know how I got all the funky throws. I think it's from swimming, just being able to have the strength in the shoulder'.

  • Travis gushes about the Bears' tight end room — specifically Cole Kmet — and Caleb drops the news: there's a third elite tight end now, a new rookie described as tall, smooth, and a freak of nature as a run blocker, pass blocker, and receiver. Caleb frames the advantage clearly: with three tight ends who can do everything, Ben Johnson shifts them into heavy 13 personnel, draws in a heavy defense, then shifts out into spread looks where linebackers and run-stuffers suddenly have to cover. He points to Cole Kmet's Vikings game seam route as a prime example of how it works in the biggest moments. Travis then brings up the schedule — Eagles on Monday Night Football in Week 3, Thanksgiving against the Lions, Christmas Day — and Caleb confirms the Bears have what is reportedly the toughest schedule in the league. He's unbothered: 'We don't back down from no challenge'. Travis and Caleb exchange competitive barbs about who they're looking forward to facing.

  • The conversation shifts to a live clip session where Jason, Travis, and Caleb watch highlights from Caleb's best throws of the 2024 season. Caleb breaks down the end-zone touchdown to Cole Kmet, explaining he spotted 10 defenders to the right and Cole isolated on a smaller corner 14 to the left near the front of the end zone. He simply needed to put the ball in the back of the end zone and let Cole do the rest. Jason names the 'NJ play' — rolling left and dropping it in the bucket — as his personal favorite. Travis is fixated on the Soldier Field atmosphere, asking if Caleb has ever felt the stadium that electric. Caleb says the national anthem in that playoff game was the most electric he's ever been part of — the whole city came together.

  • A mid-interview sponsor block covers three products. Mentos Gum is pitched as a mindset reset — pop a piece and you're suddenly inspired to take on the day differently. Planet Fitness promotes its Black Card membership, starting at $24.99/month and covering 2,900-plus locations with hydro massage and red light recovery perks. Jason then delivers the Colgate Total read by pivoting from stretching-prevents-injuries to toothpaste-prevents-cavities — a transition Travis calls out on air as hilariously abrupt. Jason defends it as the same preventive logic.

  • Travis brings up the 2021 Red River game, where Caleb — as a freshman — led the largest comeback in the history of the rivalry. Caleb's retelling is perfect: standing on the bench next to his friend Jalil Farouk, watching turnovers pile up, he turned and said with total conviction: 'The legend of Caleb begins.' He stepped on the field, hit a 4th-down scramble with the mindset that he would not get tackled under any circumstance, broke it for whatever yards he needed, and finished the game. Jason calls it Babe Ruth calling his shot. Caleb says simply: 'I've been a part of some cool games.' The moment illuminates exactly the kind of unbothered, self-determined confidence that defines how Caleb Williams operates.

  • Jason opens by deadpanning that someone taking their shirt off at a football game is 'a complete lack of class' — before dissolving into laughter. Caleb confirms the locker room lost its collective mind when Johnson peeled off his shirt after the big win, calling it 'pandemonium.' The reveal: Johnson had been sneaking into the weight room before practice to get in squats and lifts, quietly preparing for this exact moment all season. Caleb grins: 'He was working for this moment.' The conversation then pivots to Chicago food. Travis lists the classics — deep dish, Chicago dog, Italian beef — but Caleb goes his own way: tavern-style pizza at Zarella's is the best pizza he's ever had. Jason reciprocates by recommending Mr. B's Old Fashioned Donuts in Roseland for anyone on the South Side.

  • Caleb describes two welcome-to-the-NFL hits: Danielle Hunter smoked him on the third play of the Houston game ('I was like a dead body midair'), and then Landman put a helmet right in the middle of his chest against the Rams during a 2-minute drill, stopping Caleb's forward momentum completely and shifting his chin strap over his nose. Travis asks about the 2024 QB class group chat; Caleb says it's 'cutthroat over here' — rare blue moon communication at best, because every one of them knows they'll compete against each other. Jason then asks if Caleb has done the Chicago Architecture Boat Tour; Caleb has not, despite hearing about it for over two years, and promises to rent a boat soon. The conversation about Lake Michigan leads to Jason and Travis waxing nostalgic about Cleveland and the Great Lakes.

  • Travis drops the big news: Caleb Williams is the Madden NFL 27 cover athlete. Caleb describes the photo shoot — inspired by the Michael Jordan Air Jordan sunrise image, he wanted to recreate it in a football context. He calls it a childhood dream, citing Mike Vick's iconic Madden cover as the inspiration. He plans to display it next to his other accolades and immediately declares his next goal: becoming the first player ever to appear on back-to-back Madden covers. Jason then reveals the ratings: Travis is 91 — 'still got it, baby' — and Caleb is 90, which Jason diplomatically calls 'low for a cover athlete.' Caleb takes it in stride and vows to be at 99 by end of year. Jason then goes off about his own Madden experience, recalling the moment he saw his toughness rating was a 60 — and declaring 'Fuck off, EA' in a reaction that brings the house down. Travis closes by noting the Madden 99 chain era with genuine nostalgia.

  • After Caleb signs off — requesting one of Jason's Hawaiian shirts and promising he might wear it for a game — Jason and Travis close out the episode with their familiar rhythm. Jason shouts out the Randy Moss Chasing 10 episode, where Randy took the brothers through everything there is to know about bass fishing (spoiler: they knew nothing). Travis credits the New Heights production team for 'making us look way better than what we do' and reminds the 92 Percenters to follow the show on social media @NewHeightsShow. Jason closes with a simple 'Peace!' The episode ends with the Enterprise presenting sponsor credit.

OTAs
Organized Team Activities — voluntary offseason NFL practice sessions, typically held in May and June, where teams install new schemes and evaluate roster composition.
Bull rush
A defensive line pass-rush technique where the defender drives straight into the offensive lineman using pure power, rather than attempting a speed or finesse move around the outside.
13 personnel
An NFL offensive formation using one running back and three tight ends, creating heavy personnel that can shift into spread looks to create mismatches.
Sure tells
Reliable pre-snap indicators or 'keys' that help a quarterback or receiver know what the defense is doing before the ball is snapped.
Scramble
In golf, a team format where all players hit a shot, the best shot is selected, and all players play from that spot — a common format in charity golf tournaments.
Red River Rivalry
The annual college football game between the University of Oklahoma Sooners and the University of Texas Longhorns, historically played at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas.
Madden cover curse
The pop-culture superstition that athletes featured on the cover of EA Sports' Madden NFL video game suffer injuries or career setbacks the following season.
DC (Defensive Coordinator)
The coaching staff position responsible for designing and calling the defensive scheme for an NFL team.
Joint practice
A practice session shared between two NFL teams during training camp, giving players competitive work against unfamiliar opponents without playing a preseason game.
Heisman Trophy
College football's most prestigious individual award, given annually to the player judged most outstanding in the country.
IM (Individual Medley)
A competitive swimming event in which a single swimmer performs all four strokes — butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke, and freestyle — in sequence.
Salary cap
The maximum total amount an NFL team may spend on player contracts in a given league year, set annually by the league.
Tavern-style pizza
A Chicago pizza style characterized by a thin, crispy cracker-like crust, cut into squares rather than triangular slices, distinct from the city's better-known deep-dish style.
striation
Visible grooves or lines in a well-developed muscle when body fat is very low, indicating significant muscular definition — used humorously here to praise Ben Johnson's physique.
Finesse move
In pass rushing, a technique relying on quickness, hand placement, or misdirection (like a swim move or spin) rather than pure power to get past a blocker.

Chapter 3 · 03:54

AJ Brown Traded to the Patriots — Breakdown

Jason sets the stage: the AJ Brown trade to New England wasn't a shock — it was a slow-motion inevitability visible since the draft, when the Eagles selected a wide receiver in round one. Jason is careful to absolve AJ of blame, explaining that the Eagles' passing game had steadily declined since their 2022 Super Bowl run, and that when execution falters, emotions follow. The franchise's offense grew stale, the run game stalled with injuries, and the play-calling failed to adjust. Brown's public frustration was simply the most visible symptom. Jason and Travis both express genuine excitement about what New England's setup offers Brown: Drake May, Josh McDaniels, and a team fresh off a Super Bowl appearance. Jason closes with a forward-looking optimism about the Eagles' identity reset under new offensive coordinator Sean Mannion, calling out DeVonta Smith, Saquon Barkley, and Dallas Goedert as the weapons that remain.

Chapter 4 · 09:18

Myles Garrett Trade to the Rams — Analysis

Travis drops the bigger bombshell: Myles Garrett, the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, is headed to the Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and three future draft picks. Jason's verdict is that Cleveland wins on the future and LA wins on the present. The Rams' win-now logic is familiar — it's the same aggressive approach that earned them their last Super Bowl, cap consequences and all. Jason then makes a passionate case for Verse: his bull rush is potentially the best in the NFL (he put 6'9", 365 lb Jordan Mailata on his back), and 7.5 rookie sacks are just the starting point. Add a single finesse move and Jason sees double-digit sacks as the floor every year. Travis delivers the staggering stat: the Rams have made only two first-round picks since trading for Stafford — Verse and new rookie Ty Simpson. The segment closes with Jason and Travis joking about Aaron Donald potentially coming out of retirement to pair with Garrett on the same D-line, calling it outright cheating.

Claims made here

Myles Garrett was traded to the Los Angeles Rams for Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round pick, a 2029 second-round pick, and a 2029 third-round pick.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Jared Verse recorded 7.5 sacks in his 2024 rookie season with the Los Angeles Rams.

Jason Kelce no source cited

Since trading for Matthew Stafford, the Los Angeles Rams have had only two first-round picks — one was Jared Verse and the other is 2025 rookie Ty Simpson.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Chapter 5 · 15:10

Nick Herbig Contract & Chiefs OTAs with EB Back

Jason pivots to Nick Herbig — a Steelers backup outside linebacker he trained with in college and knows personally through his brother Nate. Herbig just became the highest-paid non-starter in NFL history, reportedly at around $100 million, and Jason vouches for it wholeheartedly, calling him a legitimate disruptor who flashes on every snap. The conversation then shifts to the Chiefs' OTAs, where Eric Bienemy has returned as offensive coordinator. Travis is electric about it. He quotes Trey Smith's devastating one-liner — 'get it together or he'll get you together' — and Patrick Mahomes' endorsement that EB's first meeting had him ready to run through a brick wall. For Travis, Bienemy's accountability-first culture is something the Chiefs have missed, and he says players unfamiliar with Bienemy haven't seen the real EB yet. He closes with a characteristically raw declaration: 'I can't wait till he motherfucks me, man.'

Claims made here

Nick Herbig became the highest-paid NFL player who is not a starter in league history.

Jason Kelce no source cited

Trey Smith said of Eric Bienemy's coaching style: 'Get it together or he'll get you together.'

Jason Kelce no source cited

Patrick Mahomes said Eric Bienemy's first team meeting had him ready to run through a brick wall.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Sports
Data point $100M

Myles Garrett & AJ Brown Got Traded, Caleb Williams on Madd… · Jun 3, 2026 Sports

Nick Herbig isn't even a starter, but he just became the highest-paid non-starter in NFL history. Jason Kelce — who trained with him in college and knows his brother — says Herbig is a legitimate disruptor who flashes every time he's on the field.

Chapter 6 · 20:15

OluKai x New Heights Sandal Collab Unboxing

In a fun off-football detour, the brothers crack open the limited New Heights x OluKai sandal collaboration live — neither had seen the finished product before this moment. The sandals feature football stitching, a contoured footbed with arch support (Jason's big selling point against flat foam flip-flops), premium leather, and each pair comes with a card bearing Jason and Travis's gold signatures. Jason — a self-professed flip-flop fanatic who famously wore sandals to the Walter Payton Man of the Year ceremony in a full suit — declares these the best flip-flops he's ever worn. Travis notes the thick strap construction that won't snap under heavy guys. Caleb Williams, present for the segment, requests one of Jason's Hawaiian shirts in exchange. The collab is available now at kelceclubhouse.com.

Chapter 10 · 36:30

Caleb Williams Introduction & Interview Setup

Jason reads Caleb's full introduction — USC Heisman winner, #1 draft pick in 2024, back-to-back GQ Most Stylish Football Player — and Caleb immediately deflects the GQ credit back to Jason with the playful line 'ever since you retired, I've stuck in for you.' Travis asks about his stylist; Caleb says it's all him, admitting he throws his game-day look together the day before travel so he can't go back and change it. The energy is immediately warm and easy, setting up a long interview segment.

Claims made here

Caleb Williams broke the Chicago Bears' franchise record for most passing yards in a single season in his rookie year.

Jason Kelce no source cited

Chapter 11 · 37:40

Year Two with Ben Johnson — Offense & OTA Vibes

Caleb is effusive about the difference a full year in the system makes. He and Ben Johnson meet daily in the coach's office — laughing, reviewing film, tweaking routes — and in year one, the Bears could barely spit out a play call at this stage of the offseason. Now they're running perfect plays, getting in and out of the huddle fast, and working through checks that last year were near impossible. Caleb estimates the offense genuinely clicked around the Vikings game in year one and that his personal confidence snowballed from there. He also reflects on the frustration of watching tape from year one — the missed throws, the runs that didn't hit — but frames it as fuel rather than regret. Jason then asks about the transition to more under-center snaps (drawing a parallel to what the Eagles are now doing with Jalen Hurts), and Caleb confirms it took roughly until the second game to fully sync with Ben.

Chapter 12 · 42:40

Caleb's Unorthodox Throws & Swimming Origin Story

Travis brings up the viral playoff throw — rolling left while hips and legs point toward the sideline, somehow generating enough power to drop the ball in the back of the end zone. Caleb breaks it down: he created enough space to flip around, spotted Cole Kmet at 6'5" against a smaller corner, and trusted his legs to generate power even with his body sideways. The conversation then pivots to where those mechanics came from. Everyone assumed baseball; the answer is swimming. Caleb swam backstroke, freestyle, individual medley, and relay events — and attributes the shoulder flexibility and rotational strength from the water to his ability to throw from impossible angles. He also played soccer and basketball growing up, but never baseball. Travis and Jason are genuinely surprised, and Caleb sums it up simply: 'I don't know how I got all the funky throws. I think it's from swimming, just being able to have the strength in the shoulder'.

Claims made here

Caleb Williams' second sport is swimming — he competed in backstroke, freestyle, individual medley, and relay events.

Caleb Williams no source cited

Chapter 13 · 46:10

Bears Tight End Room & Schedule Preview

Travis gushes about the Bears' tight end room — specifically Cole Kmet — and Caleb drops the news: there's a third elite tight end now, a new rookie described as tall, smooth, and a freak of nature as a run blocker, pass blocker, and receiver. Caleb frames the advantage clearly: with three tight ends who can do everything, Ben Johnson shifts them into heavy 13 personnel, draws in a heavy defense, then shifts out into spread looks where linebackers and run-stuffers suddenly have to cover. He points to Cole Kmet's Vikings game seam route as a prime example of how it works in the biggest moments. Travis then brings up the schedule — Eagles on Monday Night Football in Week 3, Thanksgiving against the Lions, Christmas Day — and Caleb confirms the Bears have what is reportedly the toughest schedule in the league. He's unbothered: 'We don't back down from no challenge'. Travis and Caleb exchange competitive barbs about who they're looking forward to facing.

Claims made here

The 2024 NFL Draft featured a record six first-round quarterback picks.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Chapter 16 · 56:05

Red River Rivalry — 'The Legend of Caleb Begins'

Travis brings up the 2021 Red River game, where Caleb — as a freshman — led the largest comeback in the history of the rivalry. Caleb's retelling is perfect: standing on the bench next to his friend Jalil Farouk, watching turnovers pile up, he turned and said with total conviction: 'The legend of Caleb begins.' He stepped on the field, hit a 4th-down scramble with the mindset that he would not get tackled under any circumstance, broke it for whatever yards he needed, and finished the game. Jason calls it Babe Ruth calling his shot. Caleb says simply: 'I've been a part of some cool games.' The moment illuminates exactly the kind of unbothered, self-determined confidence that defines how Caleb Williams operates.

Claims made here

Caleb Williams led the largest comeback in the history of the Red River Rivalry as a freshman in 2021.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Chapter 19 · 1:02:02

Madden NFL 27 Cover Reveal & Ratings Reveal

Travis drops the big news: Caleb Williams is the Madden NFL 27 cover athlete. Caleb describes the photo shoot — inspired by the Michael Jordan Air Jordan sunrise image, he wanted to recreate it in a football context. He calls it a childhood dream, citing Mike Vick's iconic Madden cover as the inspiration. He plans to display it next to his other accolades and immediately declares his next goal: becoming the first player ever to appear on back-to-back Madden covers. Jason then reveals the ratings: Travis is 91 — 'still got it, baby' — and Caleb is 90, which Jason diplomatically calls 'low for a cover athlete.' Caleb takes it in stride and vows to be at 99 by end of year. Jason then goes off about his own Madden experience, recalling the moment he saw his toughness rating was a 60 — and declaring 'Fuck off, EA' in a reaction that brings the house down. Travis closes by noting the Madden 99 chain era with genuine nostalgia.

Claims made here

Caleb Williams is the cover athlete for EA Sports Madden NFL 27.

Travis Kelce no source cited

No player in Madden history has appeared on back-to-back Madden covers.

Caleb Williams no source cited

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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.

Myles Garrett was traded to the Los Angeles Rams for Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round pick, a 2029 second-round pick, and a 2029 third-round pick.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Since trading for Matthew Stafford, the Los Angeles Rams have had only two first-round picks — one was Jared Verse and the other is 2025 rookie Ty Simpson.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Nick Herbig became the highest-paid NFL player who is not a starter in league history.

Jason Kelce no source cited

Caleb Williams broke the Chicago Bears' franchise record for most passing yards in a single season in his rookie year.

Jason Kelce no source cited

The 2024 NFL Draft featured a record six first-round quarterback picks.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Patrick Mahomes said Eric Bienemy's first team meeting had him ready to run through a brick wall.

Travis Kelce no source cited

Trey Smith said of Eric Bienemy's coaching style: 'Get it together or he'll get you together.'

Jason Kelce no source cited

Caleb Williams is the cover athlete for EA Sports Madden NFL 27.

Travis Kelce no source cited

No player in Madden history has appeared on back-to-back Madden covers.

Caleb Williams no source cited

Jared Verse recorded 7.5 sacks in his 2024 rookie season with the Los Angeles Rams.

Jason Kelce no source cited

Caleb Williams' second sport is swimming — he competed in backstroke, freestyle, individual medley, and relay events.

Caleb Williams no source cited

Caleb Williams led the largest comeback in the history of the Red River Rivalry as a freshman in 2021.

Travis Kelce no source cited

American Express Platinum cardholders have access to over 1,550 airport lounges worldwide, the largest global lounge network compared to other credit card companies as of July 2025.

Travis Kelce American Express, as of July 2025

Planet Fitness Black Card memberships start at $24.99 per month and give access to over 2,900 locations, most of which are open 24 hours.

Jason Kelce no source cited