Marine machine gunner Johnnie Clark survived Vietnam's deadliest job — where every gunner in the 5th Marines had been killed or wounded within weeks — then wrote a bestselling memoir by removing all profanity, only for Random House to beg him to put it back in.
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Marine machine gunner Johnnie Clark survived Vietnam's deadliest job — where every gunner in the 5th Marines had been killed or wounded within weeks — then wrote a bestselling memoir by removing all profanity, only for Random House to beg him to put it back in.
TL;DR
Vietnam veteran and Marine machine gunner Johnnie Clark shares a visceral, faith-laced account of combat during the Tet Offensive, including firefights, hand-to-hand knife combat, mercy killings, and the miraculous 42-year publication journey of his memoir *Guns Up!*. Clark — wounded three times, a Silver Star recipient, and now an 8th Dan Taekwondo grandmaster — recounts how anger at anti-war protesters drove him to write, how removing profanity from his book led to Random House publishing it [1] — Johnnie Clark "Fifty years after his last trigger pull in Vietnam, young Marine machine gunners flew Clark to Pennsylvania to shoot an M60. They told the …" 4:19:40 , and how a supernatural encounter on a North Carolina mountain trail became his turning point [2] — Johnnie Clark "Guns Up! was rejected by every publisher in America for over four years. Clark stripped all profanity as an act of faith. The morning after…" 4:01:40 . The single most useful takeaway: honoring God before chasing worldly success opened doors that four years of rejection could not [3] — Johnnie Clark "Honoring God unlocked publication: The morning after Clark finished removing all profanity from Guns Up! as an act of faith, Soldier of For…" 4:11:50 .
Johnnie Clark, Vietnam veteran Marine machine gunner, author of Guns Up!, Silver Star recipient, and 8th Dan Taekwondo Grandmaster, joins Shawn Ryan to recount surviving one of the deadliest roles in the Vietnam War and the miraculous story of his memoir's publication.
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After a warm exchange about the podcast's Patreon community, Ryan delivers a full introduction covering Clark's Silver Star, three Purple Hearts, nine books, and five decades of Taekwondo. Clark then answers a subscriber's question about memoir writing with a story that immediately establishes his character: returning veterans were pelted with tomatoes and eggs at El Toro air base, a bar near the base refused to serve Marines, and within 11 hours of landing on American soil, Clark was arrested for punching a protester who spit on his shoes [1] — Johnnie Clark "Returning Vietnam veterans were pelted with tomatoes and eggs by protesters at El Toro air base. Within hours of landing on American soil, …" 07:01 . Two Marine MPs recognized the 5th Marines insignia on his uniform and released him rather than book him. His advice to aspiring writers: write like you talk, take creative writing courses, and write for your family first — not for publication.
The episode airs a second full read for Sundays for Dogs' new fish recipe, emphasizing its human-grade, air-dried formulation and eco-friendly invasive carp sourcing. The SRS50 promo code offers 50% off a first order. This mid-roll placement comes immediately after Clark's answer to the Patreon question about memoir writing.
Clark's origin story is one of Appalachian hardship with unexpected grace. His mother's first husband was killed three times in the Battle of the Bulge, and his father — a hellraiser before his accident — was blinded and crippled in a car crash that left him in a body cast for a year and without memory for another. The family survived on $70 a month in a one-car garage, then a WWII Quonset hut. Clark's siblings were dispersed to relatives — one sister married a McCoy, literally living between the Hatfields and the McCoys. But Clark's father, in his blindness, found God. Those seven years as a Christian before his death planted the seed that Clark says saved his entire family spiritually. Clark was the only child his mother kept, and at 10 years old, they relocated to St. Petersburg, Florida.
Clark's enlistment journey is a chain of improbable events. He shows up alone to the recruiter after all three football teammates back out. Navy doctors try to reject him for a hernia he doesn't have; he responds with one-arm push-ups and backflips until they relent. His first night in a Jacksonville hotel, a man opens fire in the lobby and bullets chase Clark up the stairs. At Parris Island, he witnesses a Marine driven to the water tower threatening to jump — and DIs who told him to do it, then beat him when he came down. The obstacle course that defined Marine training is now reportedly for display only [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark's A-gunner Chan later returned to Parris Island and reported that the obstacle course the Marines once had to complete is now for dis…" 36:36 . A Tijuana bar fight lands Clark and Chan in the Tijuana brig, then a Navy brig, then Camp Pendleton's feared Red Line Brig — where prisoners' faces are held against a wall stained red with blood — before they're released the next morning to board a Braniff Airlines flight to Vietnam.
The arrival sequence at Da Nang is immediately disorienting: the wall of Vietnamese heat, Phantom jets screaming down the runway, and artillery audible in the distance. Every Marine filing through is stamped for the 5th Marines — the unit swallowing the Hue City casualties. In a staging tent at Phu Bai, Clark and Chan encounter Big Red, a massive red-headed man who looks like the Marlboro Man and carries the bearing of someone raised to fight. The old Marine who raised him had served under Admiral Halsey in World War II. Big Red briefs the two new boots on the basics of staying alive — bend your grenade pins, pull two rounds from every magazine, wrap everything in plastic — and delivers the welcome brief that resets Clark's sense of adventure: as far as anyone knows, there are no machine gunners left in the 5th Marines [1] — Johnnie Clark "Tracer rounds — one in every five bullets fired from an M60 — created a visible laser beam pointing straight back to the gunner. Every enem…" 1:03:08 .
Troy Bridge is Clark's first real taste of sustained combat. The bridge, a former rail trestle on Highway 1, was the lifeline of North-South supply movement and a perpetual NVA target. The night attack comes with over 400 enemy soldiers; doped-up suicide sappers strap themselves to the structure and blow it, killing the machine gun team on the center span while the men below are still alive. Big Red fires without ceasing throughout the assault, drawing every enemy weapon onto his position. Corporals Tedesco and Rosalie — who had come only to say farewell before their flight home the next day — are killed trying to reach the men trapped on the broken bridge. None of them receive recognition. It takes readers of Guns Up!, a congressman, and a 30-year wait before Big Red gets a posthumous Bronze Star — a medal Clark calls far beneath what he deserved [1] — Johnnie Clark "Big Red fired relentlessly as 400+ NVA stormed Troy Bridge, keeping machine gun positions alive while the bridge was blown up beneath him. …" 56:10 .
In the aftermath of Troy Bridge, Clark begins volunteering for 3-man killer teams assigned to stop NVA death squads that were beheading village chiefs' children to enforce rice quotas. These tiny units moved silently where platoons could not. The most harrowing episode comes when a patrol expecting a small enemy squad suddenly finds itself paralyzed as 200+ NVA soldiers file past within arm's reach [1] — Johnnie Clark "On a 3-man killer team ambush, Clark's squad expected a small enemy patrol. Instead, over 200 NVA soldiers marched within inches of their p…" 1:19:10 . One Marine had already pulled the pin on a grenade in anticipation of a fight; when the column finally passed, he released the spoon in relief, detonating it harmlessly beside them. Clark also recounts his first confirmed kill — lingering at the body of an NVA officer long enough for the moment to carve itself into memory — and the chapter he calls 'Mercy Killing': a female NVA soldier with a skull cracked open by grenade concussion, still breathing, her full ID later recovered by a sergeant who showed it to Clark 30 years later at the Big Red memorial.
Seventeen straight days of combat contact have reduced the Marines to sleepwalking. Clark dozes on ambush duty, dreaming of cruising in his '57 Vette, when he begins hearing the Young Rascals' 'In the Midnight Hour' — which he assumes is part of the dream. It is not: an NVA soldier was carrying a boombox that had snagged on jungle undergrowth and switched on, tuned to Armed Forces Radio Network, which played the song every night at midnight [1] — Johnnie Clark "After 17 straight days of combat contact, Clark was dozing on ambush when he heard the Young Rascals playing 'In the Midnight Hour' — and t…" 1:24:10 . A teammate named Sugar Bear shot the soldier with an M14, but he was still alive when he tumbled down the hill onto Clark. In total darkness, with no time to reach the machine gun or his .45, Clark grabbed his K-Bar. The story has an unlikely coda: years later at a private party in St. Petersburg, Clark meets Felix Cavaliere of the Young Rascals and tells him the whole story. Cavaliere adopts it as his favorite story about the song.
The Arizona Territory operation near An Hoa Combat Base culminates in the Dodge City graveyard battle — a name that proves appropriate. Alpha Company walks into a full NVA battalion dug into bunkers along a graveyard. Three .30-caliber machine guns open up simultaneously on eight to ten Marines caught in the open between grave mounds. Clark runs into the open, climbs a grave mound for elevation, and knocks out two gun positions before his boots are shot off his feet. His A-gunner from Indiana drags him back to the tree line. Through the night, the battle ebbs and flows through monsoon rains that nearly drown men in rising floodwater. A Marine named Cowboy — given every opportunity to go home due to paralyzing fear — refuses and later dies of what the corpsman believes was heart failure with no visible wound [1] — Johnnie Clark "A Marine called Cowboy was so terrified he would shake audibly and urinate on himself during ambushes, making him a danger to everyone arou…" 2:08:00 . Marine Pat McCreary, who first saw Clark doing one-arm push-ups at the Jacksonville induction center, is the thread that eventually unravels the lost Silver Star: his effort to get a Purple Heart license plate exposes that all of the unit's records were destroyed when a 122mm Chinese rocket hit the An Hoa record shack.
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The psychological cost of Clark's service surfaces slowly. He was initially misdiagnosed with mild combat fatigue; the VA later upgraded it to severe after all his hair fell out overnight — a moment Clark connects to the humiliating cultural context of the 'Hair' musical era, when long hair was fashionable and a Marine crew cut made him visibly alien. The mercy killing weighs heaviest: 30 years later at the Big Red memorial event, Sergeant Stacy Watson produces the dead girl's complete identity documents — name, birthplace, full ID — which he had kept since searching the body. The revelation sends Clark reeling. He describes the period as a 'bumpy ride' that eventually drives him to seek solitude and prayer.
In a technical interlude that illuminates what made machine gunners so critical and so mortal, Clark and Ryan break down the M60 in Vietnam. Tracer rounds — one in five — gave the gun its lethal dual function: marking targets for Phantoms dropping napalm while simultaneously advertising the gunner's location to every enemy rifle. The 20-round burst rule wasn't arbitrary; sustained fire beyond that threshold guaranteed someone would pinpoint your position. Clark carried 400 rounds as a one-man team when his 5-man complement was unavailable. He never had a spare barrel — a luxury the Army had and Marines did not — meaning a white-hot barrel was cooled by pouring a canteen or urinating on it [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark typically carried 400 rounds of M60 ammunition on top of the gun itself. His team was supposed to be five men — but often it was just…" 1:12:30 . His toothbrush was reserved for cleaning the gas cylinder, meaning his teeth got brushed with gun oil.
The research for Gunner's Glory leads Clark to Ted Elliston — a 5th Marines Guadalcanal veteran who punched a man out cold in the street at age 84 — and through Ted to Mitchell Page, the Marine Hasbro commemorated as the original GI Joe [1] — Johnnie Clark "At a turning point in the Battle of Guadalcanal, every Marine machine gunner was dead or wounded. Marine Mitchell Page raced a Japanese sol…" 2:42:10 . Page's deathbed account, which Clark believes completely after his own parallel experience, describes the climactic moment of the Battle of Guadalcanal: every Marine machine gunner is dead, the Mahoney gun — modified to fire 900 to 1,200 rounds per minute — sits unattended, and a Japanese soldier with a Nambu races Page to the gun. The Japanese soldier wins the footrace, drops to the ground, and empties 30 rounds at point-blank range. Page is frozen, unable to move or even think. He feels complete peace. Not a single bullet hits him. The moment his enemy's clip is exhausted, Page is released, falls forward, chambers a round, and kills the soldier. His Bible falls open to Proverbs 3:5 — the verse his mother sent him to war with.
Clark travels to a remote cabin in Montreat, North Carolina at his pastor's urging — the first time he's been alone in the wilderness since Vietnam, and the first time without a weapon. Bears bang around the cabin at night; he sets up improvised punji pits with 2x4s and nails. When a repairman arrives and shatters his solitude, he takes a walk up Greybeard Mountain in shorts and a T-shirt with no phone, no water, and a recently operated knee. Halfway back down the trail, he is frozen mid-step — unable to move in any direction, feeling not fear but complete peace, like Mitchell Page on Guadalcanal. An audible voice says, 'Johnny, get up. Johnny, I want you to walk a little further with me.' He turns around and climbs until he reaches a boulder he has never seen, embedded with a round plaque bearing Psalm 121 [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark hiked Greybeard Mountain in 2004 seeking relief from severe PTSD. Mid-descent, he was frozen mid-step — unable to move forward, backw…" 3:02:40 . Within days, the same verse arrives in an unsolicited missionary pamphlet, appears twice in his own book Gunner's Glory (which he hadn't read since writing it), and is sung as a hymn at his home church. Clark says this was the first time in his life he has told the full story publicly.
Clark's testimony unlocks Ryan's. In the months after the Afghanistan withdrawal, Ryan describes being consumed by rage and despair over child gender surgeries, pedophilia networks, and a country music artist he respected who endorsed drag performances for children. He breaks down crying on a flight to Sedona for no articulable reason. A week of searching energy vortexes and carrying crystals up mountains yields nothing. At the resort gate on the last night, a Vietnam veteran Air Force guard he has never seen before appears to read his mind with precision — stating Clark's exact unvoiced burdens and telling him they are not his battle [1] — Shawn Ryan "Shawn Ryan describes hitting rock bottom spiritually during the Afghanistan withdrawal chaos, breaking down crying on a flight to Sedona wh…" 3:17:12 . Minutes later, his dead best friend's daughter texts him a message her father apparently told her to send before he died. Ryan concludes the episode by describing subsequent encounters with the number 444, a guardian-angel-focused conversation with his IT guy, and his midnight campfire call to Eddie Penney, all of which culminated in his public identification as a Christian.
The conversation moves from personal faith to geopolitical theology. Clark cites Ezekiel 38 as a text that gives him peace about modern conflicts: it describes Iran, Russia, Libya, Turkey, and Ukraine forming a coalition to attack a defenseless Israel — which Clark sees playing out in current events. He believes this coalition will be supernaturally destroyed, not by American force, and that two-thirds of Jewish people will die in the process before the remainder accept Jesus Christ as Messiah. Ryan pushes back gently, offering his own interpretation that Israel is not a straightforward 'good guy' in this scenario and that God is using the coming events to expose corruption and bring the remaining Jewish population to Christ. Both men agree that the outcome is foreordained and that worrying about it is spiritually wasteful.
The Guns Up! publication story is the episode's triumphant third act. After four years of wallpapering his rooftop writing office with rejection notices — including one from Pam Strickler at Random House who had actually read the manuscript — Clark was spiritually convicted by the verse 'for those who honor God, God will honor.' He and his wife Nancy popped champagne the night he finished the six-month profanity-free rewrite, declaring 'the anchor's off my back.' The next morning, Soldier of Fortune called about a story submitted four years earlier that had 'just turned up in the slush pile' [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark typically carried 400 rounds of M60 ammunition on top of the gun itself. His team was supposed to be five men — but often it was just…" 1:12:30 . Three more magazines called with the same story and the same explanation within days. Nine publishers then competed for the book within a month. Random House acquired it, but Pam Strickler — who had rejected it a year earlier — asked Clark to restore the profanity, arguing no one would believe a Vietnam War book without it. Clark's reply: slim and none. The book has been in print 42 years, published in Lithuania, and still generates letters from soldiers whose families discovered how their fathers died.
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After the intensity of the preceding chapters, Clark's marriage story provides warmth and levity. His friend stole Nancy's driver's license to show Clark her photo — which he dismissed until he realized she was the woman he'd already spotted washing her Toyota in a bikini down the block. Their first date was at the old Beach Theater in St. Petersburg, where they won a free pass in their popcorn that guaranteed a second date. 49 years, five grandchildren, and a family that Clark has introduced to biblical verses from a young age. He jokes that one granddaughter shows enough aptitude for hand-to-hand combat that he thinks she might be trainable as a fighter.
In a firearms-focused segment aimed at gun enthusiasts and veterans, Clark details the raw reality of operating an M60 in the bush. The weapon was supposed to be served by a five-man team each carrying 400 rounds; Clark often operated alone. Without spare barrels, a white-hot gun had to be cooled on the fly — pouring canteen water or urinating directly on the barrel to bring the temperature down before it could melt. He describes seeing tracer rounds visibly passing through a glowing white barrel in the dark — effectively lighting himself up on the battlefield. One burned barrel was replaced by stealing one from a helicopter gunner at gunpoint, courtesy of Sam the Blooper Man. His toothbrush doubled as a gas cylinder cleaning tool, leaving him to brush his teeth with gun oil.
The episode ends on a high note. Young Marine machine gunners flew Clark to a Pennsylvania farm to fire an M60 again, 50 years after his last trigger pull in Vietnam. Despite being told at 76 that he'd need a bipod and scope to hit the Tannerite target 150 yards away, Clark fired a 20-round burst from the hip and detonated it on the first try while all the young gunners subsequently missed. Ryan then presents Clark with a SIG Sauer P365 Macro pistol with a red dot, flashlight, and a suppressor from Silencer Shop — noting his friend Jason at SIG specifically wanted a Vietnam veteran to have it [1] — Johnnie Clark "Fifty years after his last trigger pull in Vietnam, young Marine machine gunners flew Clark to Pennsylvania to shoot an M60. They told the …" 4:19:40 . Jocko Willink is credited for recommending Clark to Ryan. The episode closes with a prayer delivered by Clark that uses the military metaphor of 'walking point' to describe Ryan's courage in publicly professing his Christian faith, followed by Ryan urging listeners to share the episode.
Chapter 2 · 03:17
After a warm exchange about the podcast's Patreon community, Ryan delivers a full introduction covering Clark's Silver Star, three Purple Hearts, nine books, and five decades of Taekwondo. Clark then answers a subscriber's question about memoir writing with a story that immediately establishes his character: returning veterans were pelted with tomatoes and eggs at El Toro air base, a bar near the base refused to serve Marines, and within 11 hours of landing on American soil, Clark was arrested for punching a protester who spit on his shoes [1] — Johnnie Clark "Returning Vietnam veterans were pelted with tomatoes and eggs by protesters at El Toro air base. Within hours of landing on American soil, …" 07:01 . Two Marine MPs recognized the 5th Marines insignia on his uniform and released him rather than book him. His advice to aspiring writers: write like you talk, take creative writing courses, and write for your family first — not for publication.
Johnnie Clark was wounded three separate times in Vietnam — by a mortar, a grenade, and a gunshot — and was awarded three Purple Hearts.
Clark began training in martial arts in Okinawa as physical therapy for his combat wounds and has now practiced for over 50 years, earning 8th Dan Grandmaster in Taekwondo.
Returning Vietnam veterans were pelted with tomatoes and eggs by protesters at El Toro air base. Within hours of landing on American soil, Clark was denied entry to a bar because of his uniform — and was arrested at a bus station after decking a protester who spit on his shoes. Two Marine MPs recognized the 5th Marines pogie rope on his uniform, uncuffed him, and put him on a bus. That was his homecoming.
Chapter 3 · 14:30
The episode airs a second full read for Sundays for Dogs' new fish recipe, emphasizing its human-grade, air-dried formulation and eco-friendly invasive carp sourcing. The SRS50 promo code offers 50% off a first order. This mid-roll placement comes immediately after Clark's answer to the Patreon question about memoir writing.
Machine gunners in Vietnam had a 7-to-10-second life expectancy once a firefight began because tracer rounds made them the most visible and primary target on the battlefield.
Chapter 4 · 17:20
Clark's origin story is one of Appalachian hardship with unexpected grace. His mother's first husband was killed three times in the Battle of the Bulge, and his father — a hellraiser before his accident — was blinded and crippled in a car crash that left him in a body cast for a year and without memory for another. The family survived on $70 a month in a one-car garage, then a WWII Quonset hut. Clark's siblings were dispersed to relatives — one sister married a McCoy, literally living between the Hatfields and the McCoys. But Clark's father, in his blindness, found God. Those seven years as a Christian before his death planted the seed that Clark says saved his entire family spiritually. Clark was the only child his mother kept, and at 10 years old, they relocated to St. Petersburg, Florida.
Clark's family survived on $70 a month after his father was blinded and crippled in a car accident, living first in a log cabin then a one-car garage.
Chapter 5 · 24:15
Clark's enlistment journey is a chain of improbable events. He shows up alone to the recruiter after all three football teammates back out. Navy doctors try to reject him for a hernia he doesn't have; he responds with one-arm push-ups and backflips until they relent. His first night in a Jacksonville hotel, a man opens fire in the lobby and bullets chase Clark up the stairs. At Parris Island, he witnesses a Marine driven to the water tower threatening to jump — and DIs who told him to do it, then beat him when he came down. The obstacle course that defined Marine training is now reportedly for display only [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark's A-gunner Chan later returned to Parris Island and reported that the obstacle course the Marines once had to complete is now for dis…" 36:36 . A Tijuana bar fight lands Clark and Chan in the Tijuana brig, then a Navy brig, then Camp Pendleton's feared Red Line Brig — where prisoners' faces are held against a wall stained red with blood — before they're released the next morning to board a Braniff Airlines flight to Vietnam.
Claims made here
The Parris Island obstacle course used during Clark's era is now for display only, reportedly because female Marines could not complete it.
Every machine gunner in the 5th Marine Regiment had been killed or wounded by the time Clark arrived in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive.
Clark's A-gunner Chan later returned to Parris Island and reported that the obstacle course the Marines once had to complete is now for display only — allegedly because female Marines couldn't complete it. Clark shares this with some skepticism but notes it lines up with a broader cultural shift in military standards he's observed since his era.
Chan was smuggled out of Communist China as an infant by his doctor father. He had a college degree and a minor in ministry and could have been commissioned as an officer. Instead, he chose to enlist as a machine gunner to pay America back for giving his family refuge. Seventeen arm surgeries ended his surgical career — but he became the world's leading cardiovascular perfusion expert.
When Clark arrived in Vietnam, every machine gunner in the 5th Marine Regiment had already been killed or wounded, forcing mortarmen and others to pick up the M60.
Chapter 6 · 48:00
The arrival sequence at Da Nang is immediately disorienting: the wall of Vietnamese heat, Phantom jets screaming down the runway, and artillery audible in the distance. Every Marine filing through is stamped for the 5th Marines — the unit swallowing the Hue City casualties. In a staging tent at Phu Bai, Clark and Chan encounter Big Red, a massive red-headed man who looks like the Marlboro Man and carries the bearing of someone raised to fight. The old Marine who raised him had served under Admiral Halsey in World War II. Big Red briefs the two new boots on the basics of staying alive — bend your grenade pins, pull two rounds from every magazine, wrap everything in plastic — and delivers the welcome brief that resets Clark's sense of adventure: as far as anyone knows, there are no machine gunners left in the 5th Marines [1] — Johnnie Clark "Tracer rounds — one in every five bullets fired from an M60 — created a visible laser beam pointing straight back to the gunner. Every enem…" 1:03:08 .
Big Red fired relentlessly as 400+ NVA stormed Troy Bridge, keeping machine gun positions alive while the bridge was blown up beneath him. He was killed May 20, 1968. He received nothing. Thirty years later, readers of Guns Up! triggered a congressional inquiry that resulted in a posthumous Bronze Star — a medal Clark says wasn't nearly enough.
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Troy Bridge is Clark's first real taste of sustained combat. The bridge, a former rail trestle on Highway 1, was the lifeline of North-South supply movement and a perpetual NVA target. The night attack comes with over 400 enemy soldiers; doped-up suicide sappers strap themselves to the structure and blow it, killing the machine gun team on the center span while the men below are still alive. Big Red fires without ceasing throughout the assault, drawing every enemy weapon onto his position. Corporals Tedesco and Rosalie — who had come only to say farewell before their flight home the next day — are killed trying to reach the men trapped on the broken bridge. None of them receive recognition. It takes readers of Guns Up!, a congressman, and a 30-year wait before Big Red gets a posthumous Bronze Star — a medal Clark calls far beneath what he deserved [1] — Johnnie Clark "Big Red fired relentlessly as 400+ NVA stormed Troy Bridge, keeping machine gun positions alive while the bridge was blown up beneath him. …" 56:10 .
Claims made here
Machine gunners in Vietnam had a 7-to-10-second life expectancy once a firefight began, due to tracer rounds making them the primary target.
Tracer rounds — one in every five bullets fired from an M60 — created a visible laser beam pointing straight back to the gunner. Every enemy army was trained to knock out the machine gun first, meaning you had roughly 7 to 10 seconds of sustained fire before you were dead. Clark arrived to learn every gunner in the 5th Marines had already been killed or wounded.
Chapter 8 · 1:08:20
In the aftermath of Troy Bridge, Clark begins volunteering for 3-man killer teams assigned to stop NVA death squads that were beheading village chiefs' children to enforce rice quotas. These tiny units moved silently where platoons could not. The most harrowing episode comes when a patrol expecting a small enemy squad suddenly finds itself paralyzed as 200+ NVA soldiers file past within arm's reach [1] — Johnnie Clark "On a 3-man killer team ambush, Clark's squad expected a small enemy patrol. Instead, over 200 NVA soldiers marched within inches of their p…" 1:19:10 . One Marine had already pulled the pin on a grenade in anticipation of a fight; when the column finally passed, he released the spoon in relief, detonating it harmlessly beside them. Clark also recounts his first confirmed kill — lingering at the body of an NVA officer long enough for the moment to carve itself into memory — and the chapter he calls 'Mercy Killing': a female NVA soldier with a skull cracked open by grenade concussion, still breathing, her full ID later recovered by a sergeant who showed it to Clark 30 years later at the Big Red memorial.
Clark typically carried 400 rounds of M60 ammunition on top of the gun itself. His team was supposed to be five men — but often it was just him. He never had a spare barrel, so when the gun went white-hot he'd pee on it or pour a canteen to cool it down. His .45 was so neglected it rusted shut the one time he needed it. He carried a K-Bar and a Bible wrapped in plastic.
On a 3-man killer team ambush, Clark's squad expected a small enemy patrol. Instead, over 200 NVA soldiers marched within inches of their position. One Marine had already pulled the pin on a frag grenade thinking they'd have to fight out. When the column finally passed, he let go of the spoon in relief — setting off a grenade right beside them. Nobody got hurt. Everybody wet themselves.
During a 3-man killer team ambush, over 200 NVA soldiers walked so close that Clark could smell garlic and see their Ho Chi Minh sandals — and none of the Marines dared fire or move.
Chapter 9 · 1:24:10
Seventeen straight days of combat contact have reduced the Marines to sleepwalking. Clark dozes on ambush duty, dreaming of cruising in his '57 Vette, when he begins hearing the Young Rascals' 'In the Midnight Hour' — which he assumes is part of the dream. It is not: an NVA soldier was carrying a boombox that had snagged on jungle undergrowth and switched on, tuned to Armed Forces Radio Network, which played the song every night at midnight [1] — Johnnie Clark "After 17 straight days of combat contact, Clark was dozing on ambush when he heard the Young Rascals playing 'In the Midnight Hour' — and t…" 1:24:10 . A teammate named Sugar Bear shot the soldier with an M14, but he was still alive when he tumbled down the hill onto Clark. In total darkness, with no time to reach the machine gun or his .45, Clark grabbed his K-Bar. The story has an unlikely coda: years later at a private party in St. Petersburg, Clark meets Felix Cavaliere of the Young Rascals and tells him the whole story. Cavaliere adopts it as his favorite story about the song.
After 17 straight days of combat contact, Clark was dozing on ambush when he heard the Young Rascals playing 'In the Midnight Hour' — and thought he was dreaming about home. Then an NVA soldier, already shot by a teammate, tumbled on top of him. The enemy was carrying a boombox tuned to Armed Forces Radio Network, which played that song every night at midnight. Clark reached his K-Bar. Decades later, he told the story to Felix Cavaliere of the Young Rascals at a party.
Chapter 10 · 1:33:00
The Arizona Territory operation near An Hoa Combat Base culminates in the Dodge City graveyard battle — a name that proves appropriate. Alpha Company walks into a full NVA battalion dug into bunkers along a graveyard. Three .30-caliber machine guns open up simultaneously on eight to ten Marines caught in the open between grave mounds. Clark runs into the open, climbs a grave mound for elevation, and knocks out two gun positions before his boots are shot off his feet. His A-gunner from Indiana drags him back to the tree line. Through the night, the battle ebbs and flows through monsoon rains that nearly drown men in rising floodwater. A Marine named Cowboy — given every opportunity to go home due to paralyzing fear — refuses and later dies of what the corpsman believes was heart failure with no visible wound [1] — Johnnie Clark "A Marine called Cowboy was so terrified he would shake audibly and urinate on himself during ambushes, making him a danger to everyone arou…" 2:08:00 . Marine Pat McCreary, who first saw Clark doing one-arm push-ups at the Jacksonville induction center, is the thread that eventually unravels the lost Silver Star: his effort to get a Purple Heart license plate exposes that all of the unit's records were destroyed when a 122mm Chinese rocket hit the An Hoa record shack.
Claims made here
A 122mm Chinese rocket hit the record shack at An Hoa combat base, killing the personnel inside and destroying all military service records for Clark's unit.
Clark's Silver Star was awarded approximately 30 years after the action because a 122mm Chinese rocket destroyed all records at An Hoa combat base, including the original write-up.
A Marine called Cowboy was so terrified he would shake audibly and urinate on himself during ambushes, making him a danger to everyone around him. The lieutenant gave him an official out. He refused to leave. Clark's gun team took him in, taught him Bible verses, and tried to steady his nerves. Then, in the Dodge City graveyard battle, a corpsman and Chan found no significant wound on Cowboy's body — he had died of fright-induced heart failure.
Chapter 11 · 2:20:00
Mid-episode sponsor break for Harry's Plus razor. The read emphasizes Harry's ownership of its own blade factory in Germany, the pivoting system for corner coverage, the lubricating strip with aloe and vitamin E, and the ability to set a delivery schedule. A $10 trial set is offered at harrys.com/SRS, including the razor, a cartridge, shave gel, and a travel cover.
In the Dodge City graveyard battle, Clark ran into open ground during a battalion-strength NVA attack to knock out two enemy machine gun positions. His boots were shot off his feet. His A-gunner dragged him to cover. A kid named Sonny — shot multiple times and believed dead — was dragged in front of an NVA gun and nearly drowned in monsoon floodwater, yet survived. Clark's Silver Star for the action was never recorded because a 122mm rocket destroyed all military records.
Chapter 12 · 2:22:07
The psychological cost of Clark's service surfaces slowly. He was initially misdiagnosed with mild combat fatigue; the VA later upgraded it to severe after all his hair fell out overnight — a moment Clark connects to the humiliating cultural context of the 'Hair' musical era, when long hair was fashionable and a Marine crew cut made him visibly alien. The mercy killing weighs heaviest: 30 years later at the Big Red memorial event, Sergeant Stacy Watson produces the dead girl's complete identity documents — name, birthplace, full ID — which he had kept since searching the body. The revelation sends Clark reeling. He describes the period as a 'bumpy ride' that eventually drives him to seek solitude and prayer.
Marine named Sonny was shot multiple times in the Dodge City graveyard battle, dragged in front of an NVA machine gun, nearly drowned in monsoon floodwater, and survived — later becoming a Virginia state senator.
Chapter 14 · 2:36:40
The research for Gunner's Glory leads Clark to Ted Elliston — a 5th Marines Guadalcanal veteran who punched a man out cold in the street at age 84 — and through Ted to Mitchell Page, the Marine Hasbro commemorated as the original GI Joe [1] — Johnnie Clark "At a turning point in the Battle of Guadalcanal, every Marine machine gunner was dead or wounded. Marine Mitchell Page raced a Japanese sol…" 2:42:10 . Page's deathbed account, which Clark believes completely after his own parallel experience, describes the climactic moment of the Battle of Guadalcanal: every Marine machine gunner is dead, the Mahoney gun — modified to fire 900 to 1,200 rounds per minute — sits unattended, and a Japanese soldier with a Nambu races Page to the gun. The Japanese soldier wins the footrace, drops to the ground, and empties 30 rounds at point-blank range. Page is frozen, unable to move or even think. He feels complete peace. Not a single bullet hits him. The moment his enemy's clip is exhausted, Page is released, falls forward, chambers a round, and kills the soldier. His Bible falls open to Proverbs 3:5 — the verse his mother sent him to war with.
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The GI Joe action figure was created by Hasbro in honor of Marine Mitchell Page for his actions on Guadalcanal.
The Mahoney gun — a modified water-cooled .30 caliber machine gun — fired between 900 and 1,200 rounds per minute due to spring modifications made by Marine gunsmiths before Pearl Harbor.
Mitchell Page was frozen in place during a battle on Guadalcanal while a Japanese soldier fired a 30-round Nambu magazine at point-blank range, hitting him zero times.
The original GI Joe doll was created by Hasbro in honor of Marine Mitchell Page for his actions on Guadalcanal, which Clark discovered while researching Gunner's Glory.
At a turning point in the Battle of Guadalcanal, every Marine machine gunner was dead or wounded. Marine Mitchell Page raced a Japanese soldier to the last operational gun. The enemy dropped to the ground and fired 30 rounds at point-blank range — and Page couldn't move. He felt total peace and complete paralysis. Not one round hit him. The moment his enemy's clip was empty, Page was released, chambered a round, and killed the soldier. He later told Clark this story on his deathbed.
Chapter 15 · 2:53:00
Clark travels to a remote cabin in Montreat, North Carolina at his pastor's urging — the first time he's been alone in the wilderness since Vietnam, and the first time without a weapon. Bears bang around the cabin at night; he sets up improvised punji pits with 2x4s and nails. When a repairman arrives and shatters his solitude, he takes a walk up Greybeard Mountain in shorts and a T-shirt with no phone, no water, and a recently operated knee. Halfway back down the trail, he is frozen mid-step — unable to move in any direction, feeling not fear but complete peace, like Mitchell Page on Guadalcanal. An audible voice says, 'Johnny, get up. Johnny, I want you to walk a little further with me.' He turns around and climbs until he reaches a boulder he has never seen, embedded with a round plaque bearing Psalm 121 [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark hiked Greybeard Mountain in 2004 seeking relief from severe PTSD. Mid-descent, he was frozen mid-step — unable to move forward, backw…" 3:02:40 . Within days, the same verse arrives in an unsolicited missionary pamphlet, appears twice in his own book Gunner's Glory (which he hadn't read since writing it), and is sung as a hymn at his home church. Clark says this was the first time in his life he has told the full story publicly.
Clark hiked Greybeard Mountain in 2004 seeking relief from severe PTSD. Mid-descent, he was frozen mid-step — unable to move forward, backward, or sideways — feeling complete peace but total paralysis, just like Mitchell Page on Guadalcanal. An audible voice told him to walk further up. At the top, embedded in a boulder he'd never seen, was a plaque quoting Psalm 121 — the same verse he later found in his own book, in an unexpected missionary pamphlet, and sung at his church the following Sunday.
After a supernatural experience on Greybeard Mountain, Clark received Psalm 121 in a missionary pamphlet, in his own previously written book, and in a song at church — all within days.
Shawn Ryan describes hitting rock bottom spiritually during the Afghanistan withdrawal chaos, breaking down crying on a flight to Sedona while feeling the world was darkness. A Vietnam veteran Air Force guard — a total stranger — read his mind and told him every burden he was carrying wasn't his battle. Then, the daughter of his recently deceased best friend texted him out of nowhere with a message her father had told her to send. Ryan says it felt like a battle for his soul.
Chapter 18 · 3:35:00
The Guns Up! publication story is the episode's triumphant third act. After four years of wallpapering his rooftop writing office with rejection notices — including one from Pam Strickler at Random House who had actually read the manuscript — Clark was spiritually convicted by the verse 'for those who honor God, God will honor.' He and his wife Nancy popped champagne the night he finished the six-month profanity-free rewrite, declaring 'the anchor's off my back.' The next morning, Soldier of Fortune called about a story submitted four years earlier that had 'just turned up in the slush pile' [1] — Johnnie Clark "Clark typically carried 400 rounds of M60 ammunition on top of the gun itself. His team was supposed to be five men — but often it was just…" 1:12:30 . Three more magazines called with the same story and the same explanation within days. Nine publishers then competed for the book within a month. Random House acquired it, but Pam Strickler — who had rejected it a year earlier — asked Clark to restore the profanity, arguing no one would believe a Vietnam War book without it. Clark's reply: slim and none. The book has been in print 42 years, published in Lithuania, and still generates letters from soldiers whose families discovered how their fathers died.
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Ezekiel 38 prophecy describes Iran, Russia, Libya, Turkey, and Ukraine forming an alliance to attack Israel, with Israel standing alone and the attacking nations being destroyed.
Grandmaster Dong Kun Park, Clark's Taekwondo instructor, was voted by the nation of Korea as the greatest Korean master in Korean history and had over 280 fights without a single loss.
Guns Up! was rejected by every major publisher in the United States for over four years before nine publishers expressed interest within a single month after Clark rewrote it removing all profanity.
The Marine Corps justified its continued existence post-WWII by proving it could maintain a Marine in the field for one-third the cost of an Army soldier.
Guns Up! has been in continuous print for 42 years since being published by Random House.
Guns Up! was rejected by every publisher in America for over four years. Clark stripped all profanity as an act of faith. The morning after finishing the rewrite, Soldier of Fortune called about a story he'd submitted four years earlier — which had just 'turned up in the slush pile.' Then Eagle, then American Legion. Within one month, nine publishers wanted the book. Random House — the biggest in the world — bought it, then asked him to put the profanity back in. He refused. The book has been in print for 42 years.
Clark's memoir Guns Up! was rejected by every publisher from New York to California for more than four years before being accepted within one month of Clark removing all profanity.
The morning after Clark finished removing all profanity from Guns Up! as an act of faith, Soldier of Fortune magazine called about a story he had submitted four years earlier — setting off a chain of events that led to Random House.
After Clark removed the profanity and honored God by rewriting the book, nine publishers wanted it within one month — including Random House, the world's largest publisher.
Guns Up! has been continuously in print for 42 years after being rejected by every publisher in America for four years before Random House bought it.
Guns Up! was published in Lithuania and a Lithuanian soldier emailed Clark saying his entire unit had read it, calling it 'the greatest war book that God ever wrote.'
Chapter 19 · 4:18:10
Mid-episode sponsor break positioned after the Guns Up! publication story. Ultra Pouches are presented as a plant-powered focus alternative to nicotine or caffeine products, with flavors including cool mint, wintergreen, and tropical. The ad emphasizes partnership with neuroscientists in developing the nootropic and adaptogen formula.
Fifty years after his last trigger pull in Vietnam, young Marine machine gunners flew Clark to Pennsylvania to shoot an M60. They told the 76-year-old he'd need the bipod and a scope to hit the Tannerite target 150 yards away. He fired a 20-round burst from the hip. The washing machine exploded. Every young Marine who tried afterward — with bipod and scope — missed.
Chapter 20 · 4:20:40
After the intensity of the preceding chapters, Clark's marriage story provides warmth and levity. His friend stole Nancy's driver's license to show Clark her photo — which he dismissed until he realized she was the woman he'd already spotted washing her Toyota in a bikini down the block. Their first date was at the old Beach Theater in St. Petersburg, where they won a free pass in their popcorn that guaranteed a second date. 49 years, five grandchildren, and a family that Clark has introduced to biblical verses from a young age. He jokes that one granddaughter shows enough aptitude for hand-to-hand combat that he thinks she might be trainable as a fighter.
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Clark hiked Greybeard Mountain in 2004 seeking relief from severe PTSD. Mid-descent, he was frozen mid-step — unable to move forward, backward, or sideways — feeling complete peace but total paralysis, just like Mitchell Page on Guadalcanal. An audible voice told him to walk further up. At the top, embedded in a boulder he'd never seen, was a plaque quoting Psalm 121 — the same verse he later found in his own book, in an unexpected missionary pamphlet, and sung at his church the following Sunday.
After 17 straight days of combat contact, Clark was dozing on ambush when he heard the Young Rascals playing 'In the Midnight Hour' — and thought he was dreaming about home. Then an NVA soldier, already shot by a teammate, tumbled on top of him. The enemy was carrying a boombox tuned to Armed Forces Radio Network, which played that song every night at midnight. Clark reached his K-Bar. Decades later, he told the story to Felix Cavaliere of the Young Rascals at a party.
Clark typically carried 400 rounds of M60 ammunition on top of the gun itself. His team was supposed to be five men — but often it was just him. He never had a spare barrel, so when the gun went white-hot he'd pee on it or pour a canteen to cool it down. His .45 was so neglected it rusted shut the one time he needed it. He carried a K-Bar and a Bible wrapped in plastic.
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Clark's Chinese American fellow machine gunner who was smuggled from Red China as a baby, became the world's leading cardiovascular perfusion expert after 17 arm surgeries.
A legendary machine gunner in the 5th Marines who was Clark's mentor figure and was killed on May 20, 1968; received a posthumous Bronze Star 30 years later.
Medal of Honor recipient Marine whose deathbed account of being frozen by an invisible force on Guadalcanal paralleled Clark's own experience on Greybeard Mountain.
Former Navy SEAL and podcast personality who recommended Johnnie Clark to Shawn Ryan, prompting the invitation to appear on the show.
The Marine regiment Clark served with during the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, specifically at Hue City, Troy Bridge, and the Arizona Territory.
The world's largest publisher that acquired Guns Up! and then controversially asked Clark to restore profanity, which he refused.
The rock band whose song 'In the Midnight Hour' was playing on an NVA soldier's boombox during the ambush that led to Clark's knife fight.
Clark's 1984 Vietnam War memoir that has been in print for 42 years after being rejected by every publisher for four years; now on the Commandant's reading list.
The Bible verse 'I lift my eyes to the mountains' that appeared to Clark supernaturally on Greybeard Mountain and was subsequently confirmed multiple times, connecting to Mitchell Page's story.
America's third-highest military decoration for valor, awarded to Clark approximately 30 years after his actions in the Dodge City graveyard battle.
The Hasbro toy created in honor of Marine Mitchell Page for his actions on Guadalcanal — connecting the characters Clark researched to an icon of American pop culture.
World War II Pacific island battle discussed at length as the site of Mitchell Page's Medal of Honor action and the invention of the Mahoney gun modification.
Site of the major Tet Offensive battle where Clark arrived at the very end; the 5th Marines suffered heavy casualties there.
Marine Corps Recruit Depot where Clark underwent brutal basic training, including witnessing a recruit on a water tower and another injured doing forced leg lifts.
A bridge on Highway 1 in Vietnam that was overrun by 400+ NVA, where Big Red became an unrecognized hero and the central chapter of Guns Up! is set.
Marine combat base in Vietnam where a 122mm Chinese rocket destroyed all unit records, delaying Clark's Silver Star for 30 years.
Hiking trail in Montreat, North Carolina where Clark had a supernatural experience in 2004 that he describes as a turning point in his spiritual life.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
Every machine gunner in the 5th Marine Regiment had been killed or wounded by the time Clark arrived in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive.
Machine gunners in Vietnam had a 7-to-10-second life expectancy once a firefight began, due to tracer rounds making them the primary target.
The GI Joe action figure was created by Hasbro in honor of Marine Mitchell Page for his actions on Guadalcanal.
A 122mm Chinese rocket hit the record shack at An Hoa combat base, killing the personnel inside and destroying all military service records for Clark's unit.
Guns Up! has been in continuous print for 42 years since being published by Random House.
The Parris Island obstacle course used during Clark's era is now for display only, reportedly because female Marines could not complete it.
Ezekiel 38 prophecy describes Iran, Russia, Libya, Turkey, and Ukraine forming an alliance to attack Israel, with Israel standing alone and the attacking nations being destroyed.
Mitchell Page was frozen in place during a battle on Guadalcanal while a Japanese soldier fired a 30-round Nambu magazine at point-blank range, hitting him zero times.
Guns Up! was rejected by every major publisher in the United States for over four years before nine publishers expressed interest within a single month after Clark rewrote it removing all profanity.
Grandmaster Dong Kun Park, Clark's Taekwondo instructor, was voted by the nation of Korea as the greatest Korean master in Korean history and had over 280 fights without a single loss.
The Marine Corps justified its continued existence post-WWII by proving it could maintain a Marine in the field for one-third the cost of an Army soldier.
The Mahoney gun — a modified water-cooled .30 caliber machine gun — fired between 900 and 1,200 rounds per minute due to spring modifications made by Marine gunsmiths before Pearl Harbor.
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