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Could Kathy Burke Be Bond?

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TV & Film
Why You Can Never Tell Your Own Story

Could Kathy Burke Be Bond? · Jul 1, 2026 TV & Film

A performer writing, directing, and starring in their own story creates an impossible dynamic. The control that makes Madonna extraordinary is exactly what makes her the wrong person to oversee a film about herself.

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The Madonna Biopic: Boot Camps, Serbia & the Budget Bust-Up

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The episode's first main question comes from Nathan Stucker, asking whether productions ever have to proceed because of sunk costs — specifically referencing the mysterious 'Madonna boot camp' mentioned in press coverage of the collapsed biopic. Marina Hyde and Richard Osman unpack the project's complicated history: it was co-written and set to be directed by Madonna herself, a dynamic both hosts view with scepticism from the outset. Six actresses — Florence Pugh, Odessa Young, Bebe Rexha, Sky Ferreira, Alexa Demie, and Julia Garner — all went through intensive boot camp training, with Garner eventually winning the role. The project was then shelved during Madonna's Celebration Tour in 2023, resurrected, and has now definitively collapsed. Madonna's public explanation — that her extraordinary life required an extraordinary budget — is met with knowing laughter. Her proposal to move filming to Serbia to cut costs was rebuffed by Universal with the blunt verdict that they didn't believe she'd last four days in the country. Hyde lands the forensic observation that sunk cost logic does drive some Hollywood productions forward, but the smarter move is always to walk away before principal photography begins.

TV & Film
Madonna's Biopic: The Boot Camp, Serbia & the Budget Bust-Up

Could Kathy Burke Be Bond? · Jul 1, 2026 TV & Film

Madonna ran six A-list actresses through a gruelling boot camp — including Florence Pugh and Julia Garner — only for the project to collapse when Universal refused to fund the scale she demanded. Her offer to move the shoot to Serbia was met with Universal's verdict: we don't believe you'd last four days.

Business
Sunk Cost Fallacy in Hollywood

Could Kathy Burke Be Bond? · Jul 1, 2026 Business

Studios sometimes greenlight failing productions because they've already spent too much to walk away — the classic sunk cost trap. But Marina Hyde argues you should always pull out before the cameras roll.

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