Empire: World History

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374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire

Explore episode Jul 4, 2026

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Theodore Roosevelt's Convenient Legend

At 32:48 · chapter starts 30:45

Anita raises the TR question through an unlikely lens — the TV show Blue Bloods — and Burns meets her with a clear-eyed assessment. Theodore Roosevelt's personality is so attractive that it tends to define what is deemed good history, insulating him from scrutiny of the racism and eugenics he reflected. The Booker T. Washington White House dinner is the perfect case study: it became a symbol of Roosevelt's extraordinary courage in the popular memory, but if you expand the lens, you find that he caved immediately to the political pressure it generated and never invited another Black person to the White House. Roosevelt is a wonderful president and an amazing person, Burns concedes — but we are fortunate that there was no major war on his watch. The Spanish-American War was something he was 'delighted to help finish,' not start. His fifth cousin Franklin was simply the more important president.

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Teddy Roosevelt's Convenient Legend

374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire · Jul 4, 2026 History

Teddy Roosevelt famously invited Booker T. Washington to the White House — then caved to political pressure and never invited another Black person again. He reflected the eugenics of his era. His fifth cousin Franklin was the more important president. We're lucky there was no war on TR's watch.

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