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Ep 620 - In Defense of Sunlight (feat. Rowan Jacobsen)
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Groupthink, Academia & the Master's Degree That Proved Everyone Is Dumb
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This chapter crystallizes the episode's underlying intellectual theme. Rowan calls groupthink his most hated phenomenon and names scientific institutions as among the worst offenders. Matt backs him up with a candid account of going back to school in his 30s for a master's in social work and watching classrooms full of adults go completely silent rather than say anything that might upset the group dynamic — an 85-90% passivity rate, he estimates. The more useful takeaway: seeing that even master's-level academics aren't the intellectual titans he'd imagined them to be. This demystification, Rowan agrees, is the core experience of adult maturity — arriving at each new level and realizing everyone there is just as human and fallible as you. The internet and AI, Rowan adds, make it even harder to escape the group than in previous eras.
