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#319 Mike Rowe - What Happened to the American Dream?
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PTSD, Ibogaine, and the Envy Wearable
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After Ryan mentions a suicide attempt, Rowe pivots to the most urgent issue: how do we address veteran suicide? Ryan describes his investment in Envy — a wearable health platform founded by former SEAL Johnny Wilson that tracks biomarkers like sleep quality, blood pressure, and heart rate variability to detect early signs of depression, then alerts a trusted team to check in. He frames it as the 'new thing that brings the most hope' because it's an active early-warning system. Ryan also discusses ibogaine — the psychoactive compound he credits with ending his four years of sobriety — and his work to get ibogaine legislation through the Tennessee state legislature. Rowe adds his own data point: a forge in Fredericksburg run by a veteran named Steve Hotz that has served 15,000–20,000 people with zero suicides.