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199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Own Party?
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'Regime Change': What Haberman and Swan Found Inside the Trump White House
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The second half opens with the hosts marvelling at the sourcing in Haberman and Swan's 'Regime Change' — a book that managed to get inside the Situation Room despite this White House being harder to leak from than Trump's first term. [1] — Katty Kay "Haberman and Swan's book 'Regime Change' reveals a White House where decisions are made by one person on gut instinct, nobody else's input …" 15:45 Scaramucci frames four main takeaways: first, this is an instinct-over-information presidency, a decision-making-of-one operation where whoever spoke to Trump last has shaped policy; second, Trump privately hates Netanyahu and the book documents how he browbeat him into releasing 20 living hostages; third, the pardon perimeter — Trump's stated plan to pardon everyone within 200-250 feet of the Capitol — is 'the most nutso thing' that is nonetheless 'totally on brand' according to a senior aide; and fourth, a forensic portrait of Stephen Miller as a fashion-conscious, superstitious Machiavellian who has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Katty Kay adds her own highlights: [2] — Katty Kay "According to 'Regime Change,' Trump gets a literal psychological high from issuing pardons. The combination of instant results, no constrai…" 20:48 the psychological portrait of Trump getting a literal high from issuing pardons — the intoxicating mix of instant results, no constraints, and total indebtedness of recipients — is one of the book's most compelling passages. She also recounts the extraordinary scene where Trump berated JD Vance for not using the word 'obliterated' when describing Iran's nuclear program on Sunday shows, demanding that everyone simply copy his Truth Social post verbatim. The hosts agree: this book chronicles the dramatic arc from Trump's seemingly unstoppable first few months to the turning point around the Epstein files, and the contrast with where things stand now — losing, losing, losing — is striking.
Haberman and Swan sourced accounts of a secret Situation Room meeting about Epstein from one of only 6 people present, and Trump himself did not deny the accounts when interviewed.
The Haberman-Swan book 'Regime Change' reveals Trump privately hates Netanyahu and they were fighting at the end of the first term before a brief reconciliation.
Behind the buddy-buddy photo ops, Trump privately hates Netanyahu. According to 'Regime Change,' Trump browbeat Netanyahu into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza. The real relationship between these two 'allies' is nothing like what is publicly portrayed.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump hates Netanyahu and browbeat him into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump declared he would pardon everyone within 200 to 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th, which one senior aide called 'totally on brand.'
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump gets a literal psychological high from issuing pardons. The combination of instant results, no constraints, and the feeling of people being completely indebted to him is intoxicating. And he wants to pardon everyone within 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th.
