Senator Cassidy told Trump during a shouting match that the Iran war Trump said would last 4 weeks actually lasted 4 months.
199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Own Party?
Trump refused to sign a veto-proof bipartisan housing bill at the last minute, leaving a podium full of pens and a humiliated Mike Johnson — and his own party finally seems to be waking up.
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199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Own Party?
Trump refused to sign a veto-proof bipartisan housing bill at the last minute, leaving a podium full of pens and a humiliated Mike Johnson — and his own party finally seems to be waking up.
TL;DR
Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci unpack a chaotic week in Washington: Trump's shouting match with Senator Bill Cassidy [1] — Katty Kay "Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill at the last minute — after a full signing ceremony was staged at the Capitol — holding it h…" 03:03 , his last-minute refusal to sign a bipartisan housing bill [2] — Katty Kay "Trump abandoned housing bill at last minute: Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill that had a veto-proof majority, holding it hos…" 03:03 , and what Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan's new book "Regime Change" reveals about an instinct-driven, pardon-obsessed White House [3] — Katty Kay "Haberman and Swan's book 'Regime Change' reveals a White House where decisions are made by one person on gut instinct, nobody else's input …" 15:45 . They then turn to New York's Democratic primaries, where Zohran Mamdani-backed candidates swept 3-for-3 [4] — Katty Kay "Only 15% of Democrats sympathetic to Israelis: The same New York Times poll found only 15% of Democrats are now more sympathetic to Israeli…" 31:15 , exposing a seismic shift — 60% of Democratic voters now sympathise more with Palestinians than Israelis [5] — Katty Kay "Trump's pardons give him a psychological high: According to the Haberman-Swan book 'Regime Change,' Trump experiences a psychological high …" 22:50 . The key takeaway: Trump may be actively sabotaging his own party ahead of the midterms.
Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci discuss Trump's shouting match with Senator Bill Cassidy, his refusal to sign a bipartisan housing bill, revelations from the Haberman-Swan book 'Regime Change,' and the New York Democratic primaries that exposed a seismic Democratic shift on Israel.
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The main content opens mid-drama, with a Trump clip from outside the meeting room declaring it a 'really great meeting' — which Katty Kay immediately unpacks as evidence of the opposite. She describes a perfectly staged signing ceremony: the podium set, the ceremonial pens lined up, Trump on his way to the Capitol. Then, on a whim, he pulls out — refusing to sign a bipartisan housing bill until Congress passes the SAVE Act, his controversial voting-eligibility legislation. The bill already had a veto-proof majority, making the gesture purely performative. [1] — Katty Kay "Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill at the last minute — after a full signing ceremony was staged at the Capitol — holding it h…" 03:03 Anthony Scaramucci, barely concealing his delight, calls this his 'I told you so' moment — Trump does whatever he wants, and he always has. The real theatre, Scaramucci says, was watching Mike Johnson face reporters with a microphone and deny being blindsided. Kay brings in the parallel drama: a full-blown shouting match between Trump and Senator Bill Cassidy, in which Cassidy refused to sit down, matched Trump's volume, and then immediately briefed reporters on every detail — including confronting Trump with the fact that the Iran war he promised would last four weeks had lasted four months. The episode is barely five minutes old and a stink bomb, as Scaramucci puts it, has already gone off in the US Congress.
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With the staging of the abandoned signing ceremony and the Cassidy shouting match fully laid out, the hosts turn to the bigger question: is this incompetence or intent? Scaramucci is unequivocal — Trump is burning it down on purpose. [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Trump has cost Republicans the Senate seats of Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to rene…" 06:25 He lists the evidence: Trump cost Bill Cassidy his Senate seat, effectively cost John Cornyn his, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to renew the FISA intelligence law. This is a man, Scaramucci says, who at 80 has stopped caring about polls, party, or consequence. Haberman herself has noted the classic disinhibition of an aging man who has simply decided to do whatever he wants. Katty Kay, channelling the Republican strategist she's imagining in the room, offers a starkly different tone: her message to Congressional Republicans is that they are on their own. [2] — Katty Kay "Katty Kay's advice to every Republican who has cleared their primary: you are now in the YOLO caucus. Distance yourself from the White Hous…" 11:53 Worse than that, she says, they may have an active adversary in the White House. The president drove them into a war they didn't need, pushed up gas prices, and has now pulled the rug from under their best shot at a housing policy win. Kay's advice to those past their primaries: YOLO. Distance yourself from Washington. Raise your own money. Run your own race. Because associating with anything happening in Washington right now — including, she notes dryly, the green algae-laced Reflecting Pool — is electoral poison.
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Cassidy is an interesting character in this drama, Scaramucci notes: the Louisiana senator Trump didn't endorse, whose seat was taken by Julia Letlow, and yet who seems to have found a spine now that he's on his way out. Katty Kay traces his contradictory week — voting to invoke the War Powers Act to restrain Trump on Iran, then reversing that position to give the president latitude to negotiate. Kay's reading is charitable: Cassidy is trying to be the adult in the room, not opposing Trump for sport, but threading the needle between accountability and not undermining live negotiations while US troops are in the field. Scaramucci is less generous, arguing the reversal was driven primarily by Republicans' inability to be seen as anti-military. But both agree on the key observation: Republican senators are close to flexing on Trump. They haven't broken yet, but the conditions are there. Scaramucci says if he were advising Trump, the message would be blunt: 'Dude, they're about to turn on you. Stop acting crazy.' The green algae reflecting pool and the general chaos of Washington right now are accelerating that moment, not delaying it.
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The second half opens with the hosts marvelling at the sourcing in Haberman and Swan's 'Regime Change' — a book that managed to get inside the Situation Room despite this White House being harder to leak from than Trump's first term. [1] — Katty Kay "Haberman and Swan's book 'Regime Change' reveals a White House where decisions are made by one person on gut instinct, nobody else's input …" 15:45 Scaramucci frames four main takeaways: first, this is an instinct-over-information presidency, a decision-making-of-one operation where whoever spoke to Trump last has shaped policy; second, Trump privately hates Netanyahu and the book documents how he browbeat him into releasing 20 living hostages; third, the pardon perimeter — Trump's stated plan to pardon everyone within 200-250 feet of the Capitol — is 'the most nutso thing' that is nonetheless 'totally on brand' according to a senior aide; and fourth, a forensic portrait of Stephen Miller as a fashion-conscious, superstitious Machiavellian who has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Katty Kay adds her own highlights: [2] — Katty Kay "According to 'Regime Change,' Trump gets a literal psychological high from issuing pardons. The combination of instant results, no constrai…" 20:48 the psychological portrait of Trump getting a literal high from issuing pardons — the intoxicating mix of instant results, no constraints, and total indebtedness of recipients — is one of the book's most compelling passages. She also recounts the extraordinary scene where Trump berated JD Vance for not using the word 'obliterated' when describing Iran's nuclear program on Sunday shows, demanding that everyone simply copy his Truth Social post verbatim. The hosts agree: this book chronicles the dramatic arc from Trump's seemingly unstoppable first few months to the turning point around the Epstein files, and the contrast with where things stand now — losing, losing, losing — is striking.
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The episode's second major topic arrives with the results of New York's Democratic congressional primaries: a clean sweep for Mamdani-backed candidates. [1] — Katty Kay "Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist candidates in New York's congressional primaries and swept all three. In the 10th District…" 29:56 Katty Kay had warned that this was a real test for the newly elected New York City mayor — three endorsements, all Democratic Socialists of America, all in races where a failure would have undermined his political authority. He passed. The race that most crystallised the moment was New York's 10th District, where Dan Goldman — a sitting congressman, Jewish, a self-described liberal Zionist — was beaten by Brad Lander, also Jewish, also a liberal Zionist, but one who had been far more forthright in condemning Israel's conduct in Gaza and was willing to use the word genocide. The result, Kay argues, is not just about the economics of democratic socialism; it reflects a genuine inflection point in American public opinion on Israel. [2] — Katty Kay "A New York Times poll shows 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis. Only 15% lean toward Israel. T…" 31:06 A New York Times poll she cites makes the scale of the shift stark: 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, and only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis. Scaramucci acknowledges Mamdani has built a Trump-like endorsement machine in New York, but warns the country may not be ready for this direction — if Democrats go this way nationally, he predicts Republicans take back the presidency and the House in 2028.
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The conversation deepens into the question of electability and identity. Katty Kay sets up the Josh Shapiro problem: he is a formidable governor of Pennsylvania with strong executive credentials, but his position on Israel — supporting US military aid while being critical of Netanyahu — is no longer viable in today's Democratic primary. [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Anthony Scaramucci asked bluntly: can a Jewish candidate or a gay candidate win the US presidency today? His honest answer is no — despite …" 36:17 She contrasts him with Jon Ossoff, the Georgia senator who has been sharply opposed to blanket military aid, and notes Ossoff is gaining momentum while Shapiro's numbers face headwinds. The Israel needle, she argues, can no longer be threaded. Scaramucci goes further — he asks the direct question: can a Jewish candidate win the presidency? His honest answer is no, and the same goes for Pete Buttigieg. Both men are clearly qualified, he says, but the country isn't there yet. On America's 250th anniversary, Katty Kay delivers a sobering coda: all men are still not created equal in the eyes of the electorate. The hosts then discuss Joe Scarborough's Monday monologue — which Scaramucci generously calls phenomenal — and his claim that Netanyahu has damaged the Israeli brand in America. Scaramucci reflects more personally, drawing on his visits to Yad Vashem and the historical assimilation of Jews in Germany, to ask whether it is fair to see Netanyahu as a disaster for that brand. Both agree it is fair. Kay adds the generational dimension: the Democrats now going to the polls have only ever known Netanyahu, and they associate the entire state of Israel with his actions.
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Before signing off, Katty Kay issues a strategic warning to the Democratic Party. Yes, Mamdani's candidates swept New York. Yes, the energy on the left is real. But the primaries that happened this week were not all in New York City: Democrats also nominated an Army veteran in upstate New York's 17th District and a three-star Navy Rear Admiral fired by Pete Hegseth in a South Carolina race. [1] — Katty Kay "Democrats swept New York City's primaries with democratic socialists. Republicans will use that footage in every suburban district from Iow…" 39:35 That's the map that actually matters. The voters who will decide the midterms are in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the suburbs — not Brooklyn — and Republicans will run those New York City Democratic Socialist wins on a loop in every competitive district from now until November. Katty Kay's warning is clear: don't win liberal cities while handing the GOP the script they need for the suburbs. Scaramucci agrees, adding his own sharp observation: Donald Trump effectively controls the Democratic Party, because he knows exactly how to trigger its members into reactive overreach. His message to Democrats is simple — stop taking the bait. The hosts close on an almost wistful note, acknowledging America's 250th birthday is next week and that the goal is simply to get another 250 years out of it.
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The episode closes warmly but with a note of exhausted pragmatism. The hosts flag that next week's episode will land in the middle of America's 250th birthday celebrations over July 4th. Scaramucci wishes America a happy birthday and says the goal is another 250 years. Katty Kay, more cautiously, suggests just getting through the next 2.5 years first — taking it one step at a time, one deep breath at a time. They sign off with their usual warmth, reminding listeners to check out the tour and the summer membership sale before they go.
- Pocket veto
- A presidential tactic of declining to sign a bill into law without formally vetoing it, effectively killing it — used here because Trump wanted to avoid the embarrassment of an official veto being overridden.
- SAVE Act
- The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act — Trump's bill requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, described by critics as a voter suppression measure.
- FISA
- Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — US law governing domestic collection of foreign intelligence; Trump was refusing to renew it, creating friction with Congressional Republicans.
- War Powers Act
- US law limiting the president's ability to commit forces to armed conflict without Congressional approval; Cassidy initially voted to invoke it to restrain Trump on Iran.
- DSA
- Democratic Socialists of America — the left-wing political organisation whose candidates swept the New York Democratic congressional primaries backed by Mayor Mamdani.
- Veto-proof majority
- A supermajority (two-thirds of each chamber) large enough to override a presidential veto, meaning the president's refusal to sign is effectively symbolic — as with the housing bill in this episode.
- Disinhibition
- A neurological and psychological term for reduced restraint over impulses and behaviour, often associated with aging or frontal lobe changes; used by a doctor guest to describe Trump's behavioural pattern.
- YOLO caucus
- Katty Kay's informal term for Congressional Republicans who, having survived their primaries, now have political freedom to distance themselves from Trump without fear of a primary challenge.
- Manichean
- Relating to a worldview that sees everything as a stark battle between good and evil, or light and dark; used by Scaramucci to describe Stephen Miller's calculating, binary court-like political strategy.
- Philo-Semite
- A person who holds warm admiration or affinity for Jewish people and culture; used by Scaramucci to describe his own orientation when discussing the Israel-antisemitism debate.
- Callow
- Immature and lacking experience or sophistication; used light-heartedly by Scaramucci to describe himself as prone to gloating.
- Fait accompli
- A French phrase meaning a done deal or an accomplished fact that is unlikely to be reversed; used by Scaramucci to describe how American support for Israel was once unquestionable.
- Inflection point
- A critical moment where a trend changes direction significantly; used to describe the shift in Democratic Party attitudes on Israel following the New York primary results.
- Muzzle velocity
- The speed of a bullet as it leaves a gun barrel; used metaphorically by Katty Kay to describe the overwhelming pace and force of Trump's actions in the early part of his second term.
- Bedazzled
- Dazzled or overwhelmed to the point of confusion; used by Katty Kay to describe how observers were stunned into paralysis by the sheer speed of Trump's second-term offensive.
Chapter 2 · 02:40
Trump's Housing Bill Snub: A Staged Signing Ceremony Abandoned
The main content opens mid-drama, with a Trump clip from outside the meeting room declaring it a 'really great meeting' — which Katty Kay immediately unpacks as evidence of the opposite. She describes a perfectly staged signing ceremony: the podium set, the ceremonial pens lined up, Trump on his way to the Capitol. Then, on a whim, he pulls out — refusing to sign a bipartisan housing bill until Congress passes the SAVE Act, his controversial voting-eligibility legislation. The bill already had a veto-proof majority, making the gesture purely performative. [1] — Katty Kay "Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill at the last minute — after a full signing ceremony was staged at the Capitol — holding it h…" 03:03 Anthony Scaramucci, barely concealing his delight, calls this his 'I told you so' moment — Trump does whatever he wants, and he always has. The real theatre, Scaramucci says, was watching Mike Johnson face reporters with a microphone and deny being blindsided. Kay brings in the parallel drama: a full-blown shouting match between Trump and Senator Bill Cassidy, in which Cassidy refused to sit down, matched Trump's volume, and then immediately briefed reporters on every detail — including confronting Trump with the fact that the Iran war he promised would last four weeks had lasted four months. The episode is barely five minutes old and a stink bomb, as Scaramucci puts it, has already gone off in the US Congress.
Claims made here
Trump has effectively cost both Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn their Senate seats through his political interventions.
Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill at the last minute — after a full signing ceremony was staged at the Capitol — holding it hostage to his SAVE Act. The bill had a veto-proof majority. This wasn't a strategic move; it was a hissy fit that left Mike Johnson holding a microphone and answering questions about being blindsided.
Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill that had a veto-proof majority, holding it hostage to the SAVE Act, leaving a staged signing ceremony abandoned on Capitol Hill.
Senator Bill Cassidy refused to be bullied by Trump, shouting back and then immediately telling reporters every detail. He confronted Trump directly: 'You said this war would last 4 weeks. It lasted 4 months.' When a sitting senator calls a press conference to narrate his president's meltdown, the party's discipline has collapsed.
In a shouting match with Trump, Senator Bill Cassidy confronted the president over his claim that the Iran war would last only 4 weeks — it lasted 4 months.
Trump has cost Republicans the Senate seats of Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to renew FISA. Scaramucci's read: this isn't incompetence. Trump is deliberately burning down his own party because he only answers to himself.
After Trump's Capitol meltdown, Senate Majority Leader Jon Thune — tall, suited, stone-faced — turned and walked in the exact opposite direction of the president. No words needed. That body language is the most eloquent statement yet that the Republican Party's leadership has had enough.
Senate Majority Leader Jon Thune walked in the opposite direction of Trump after the failed Capitol signing event, a striking visual signal of Republican dissatisfaction.
Chapter 3 · 09:30
Is Trump Burning Down His Own Party?
With the staging of the abandoned signing ceremony and the Cassidy shouting match fully laid out, the hosts turn to the bigger question: is this incompetence or intent? Scaramucci is unequivocal — Trump is burning it down on purpose. [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Trump has cost Republicans the Senate seats of Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to rene…" 06:25 He lists the evidence: Trump cost Bill Cassidy his Senate seat, effectively cost John Cornyn his, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to renew the FISA intelligence law. This is a man, Scaramucci says, who at 80 has stopped caring about polls, party, or consequence. Haberman herself has noted the classic disinhibition of an aging man who has simply decided to do whatever he wants. Katty Kay, channelling the Republican strategist she's imagining in the room, offers a starkly different tone: her message to Congressional Republicans is that they are on their own. [2] — Katty Kay "Katty Kay's advice to every Republican who has cleared their primary: you are now in the YOLO caucus. Distance yourself from the White Hous…" 11:53 Worse than that, she says, they may have an active adversary in the White House. The president drove them into a war they didn't need, pushed up gas prices, and has now pulled the rug from under their best shot at a housing policy win. Kay's advice to those past their primaries: YOLO. Distance yourself from Washington. Raise your own money. Run your own race. Because associating with anything happening in Washington right now — including, she notes dryly, the green algae-laced Reflecting Pool — is electoral poison.
Claims made here
The housing bill that Trump refused to sign had a veto-proof majority in Congress.
Trump employed a pocket veto — simply not signing the bill — to avoid the embarrassment of an official veto being overridden by a veto-proof majority in Congress.
Katty Kay's advice to every Republican who has cleared their primary: you are now in the YOLO caucus. Distance yourself from the White House, raise your own money, and run on your own record. The president's approval is at rock bottom, Washington looks like crazy town, and your only path to reelection is to make voters forget you were ever associated with any of it.
Chapter 4 · 13:40
Cassidy's Reversal on Iran War Powers and the YOLO Caucus
Cassidy is an interesting character in this drama, Scaramucci notes: the Louisiana senator Trump didn't endorse, whose seat was taken by Julia Letlow, and yet who seems to have found a spine now that he's on his way out. Katty Kay traces his contradictory week — voting to invoke the War Powers Act to restrain Trump on Iran, then reversing that position to give the president latitude to negotiate. Kay's reading is charitable: Cassidy is trying to be the adult in the room, not opposing Trump for sport, but threading the needle between accountability and not undermining live negotiations while US troops are in the field. Scaramucci is less generous, arguing the reversal was driven primarily by Republicans' inability to be seen as anti-military. But both agree on the key observation: Republican senators are close to flexing on Trump. They haven't broken yet, but the conditions are there. Scaramucci says if he were advising Trump, the message would be blunt: 'Dude, they're about to turn on you. Stop acting crazy.' The green algae reflecting pool and the general chaos of Washington right now are accelerating that moment, not delaying it.
Scaramucci and Maggie Haberman both observed that Trump is acting with classic disinhibition of an 80-year-old, doing and saying whatever he wants without regard for polls or party.
Chapter 5 · 15:45
Sponsor Break: Founding Member Summer Sale
The hosts take a mid-episode break to promote their founding member offering: a summer sale running through August 31st, with annual memberships available for one-third off using code SUMMER26. The subscription unlocks ad-free listening, access to all bonus episodes, and the exclusive members' mini-series — which includes deep dives on Marco Rubio, Elon Musk, and Trump's health, plus popular Q&A sessions with listeners. They also promote their upcoming North America tour, with Scaramucci particularly excited about the New York City stop in October. Sign-up and tour tickets are both available at therestispoliticsus.com.
Haberman and Swan's book 'Regime Change' reveals a White House where decisions are made by one person on gut instinct, nobody else's input matters, and the last thought in Trump's head becomes policy. It's the most detailed account of the second term yet — sourced from inside the Situation Room.
Chapter 7 · 18:22
'Regime Change': What Haberman and Swan Found Inside the Trump White House
The second half opens with the hosts marvelling at the sourcing in Haberman and Swan's 'Regime Change' — a book that managed to get inside the Situation Room despite this White House being harder to leak from than Trump's first term. [1] — Katty Kay "Haberman and Swan's book 'Regime Change' reveals a White House where decisions are made by one person on gut instinct, nobody else's input …" 15:45 Scaramucci frames four main takeaways: first, this is an instinct-over-information presidency, a decision-making-of-one operation where whoever spoke to Trump last has shaped policy; second, Trump privately hates Netanyahu and the book documents how he browbeat him into releasing 20 living hostages; third, the pardon perimeter — Trump's stated plan to pardon everyone within 200-250 feet of the Capitol — is 'the most nutso thing' that is nonetheless 'totally on brand' according to a senior aide; and fourth, a forensic portrait of Stephen Miller as a fashion-conscious, superstitious Machiavellian who has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Katty Kay adds her own highlights: [2] — Katty Kay "According to 'Regime Change,' Trump gets a literal psychological high from issuing pardons. The combination of instant results, no constrai…" 20:48 the psychological portrait of Trump getting a literal high from issuing pardons — the intoxicating mix of instant results, no constraints, and total indebtedness of recipients — is one of the book's most compelling passages. She also recounts the extraordinary scene where Trump berated JD Vance for not using the word 'obliterated' when describing Iran's nuclear program on Sunday shows, demanding that everyone simply copy his Truth Social post verbatim. The hosts agree: this book chronicles the dramatic arc from Trump's seemingly unstoppable first few months to the turning point around the Epstein files, and the contrast with where things stand now — losing, losing, losing — is striking.
Claims made here
The Epstein-related Situation Room meeting described in 'Regime Change' had only 6 people present.
Trump was interviewed by Haberman and Swan for 'Regime Change' in March 2026 and did not deny the Epstein-related Situation Room accounts.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump browbeat Netanyahu into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza.
Trump declared he would pardon everyone within 200 to 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th.
Haberman and Swan sourced accounts of a secret Situation Room meeting about Epstein from one of only 6 people present, and Trump himself did not deny the accounts when interviewed.
Behind the buddy-buddy photo ops, Trump privately hates Netanyahu. According to 'Regime Change,' Trump browbeat Netanyahu into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza. The real relationship between these two 'allies' is nothing like what is publicly portrayed.
The Haberman-Swan book 'Regime Change' reveals Trump privately hates Netanyahu and they were fighting at the end of the first term before a brief reconciliation.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump hates Netanyahu and browbeat him into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump gets a literal psychological high from issuing pardons. The combination of instant results, no constraints, and the feeling of people being completely indebted to him is intoxicating. And he wants to pardon everyone within 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump declared he would pardon everyone within 200 to 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th, which one senior aide called 'totally on brand.'
Stephen Miller is a fashionista who switched from a comb-over to a shaved head out of vanity, is deeply superstitious about keeping his old White House office, and has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Scaramucci calls it revolting Manichean court calculation. Haberman and Swan made it unforgettable.
According to the Haberman-Swan book 'Regime Change,' Trump experiences a psychological high after issuing pardons, driven by the feeling of having people indebted to him with no constraints.
JD Vance knew from intelligence that Iran's nuclear program wasn't 'totally obliterated' and refused to use that exact word on Sunday shows. Trump's response: 'Everyone just has to copy me. Say obliterated, obliterated, obliterated.' The book captures the humiliation of Vance being berated for basic factual caution.
Chapter 8 · 26:00
New York Democratic Primaries: Mamdani's Sweep and the Israel Earthquake
The episode's second major topic arrives with the results of New York's Democratic congressional primaries: a clean sweep for Mamdani-backed candidates. [1] — Katty Kay "Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist candidates in New York's congressional primaries and swept all three. In the 10th District…" 29:56 Katty Kay had warned that this was a real test for the newly elected New York City mayor — three endorsements, all Democratic Socialists of America, all in races where a failure would have undermined his political authority. He passed. The race that most crystallised the moment was New York's 10th District, where Dan Goldman — a sitting congressman, Jewish, a self-described liberal Zionist — was beaten by Brad Lander, also Jewish, also a liberal Zionist, but one who had been far more forthright in condemning Israel's conduct in Gaza and was willing to use the word genocide. The result, Kay argues, is not just about the economics of democratic socialism; it reflects a genuine inflection point in American public opinion on Israel. [2] — Katty Kay "A New York Times poll shows 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis. Only 15% lean toward Israel. T…" 31:06 A New York Times poll she cites makes the scale of the shift stark: 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, and only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis. Scaramucci acknowledges Mamdani has built a Trump-like endorsement machine in New York, but warns the country may not be ready for this direction — if Democrats go this way nationally, he predicts Republicans take back the presidency and the House in 2028.
Claims made here
Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist of America candidates in New York congressional primaries and all three won.
A New York Times poll found that 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, while only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis than Palestinians.
Dan Goldman, a sitting Jewish liberal Zionist Democrat, was defeated in New York's 10th Congressional District primary for being insufficiently critical of Israel.
Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist candidates in New York's congressional primaries and swept all three. In the 10th District, Dan Goldman — a Jewish liberal Zionist — was beaten for being insufficiently critical of Israel. Democratic voters have moved on this issue faster than their party knows.
Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist candidates in New York's congressional primaries and all three won, demonstrating his growing power in the Democratic Party.
A New York Times poll shows 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis. Only 15% lean toward Israel. This is not a fringe position in today's Democratic Party — it is the majority view, and it is reshaping who can run for president in 2028.
A New York Times poll found 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, with only 15% more sympathetic to Israelis.
The same New York Times poll found only 15% of Democrats are now more sympathetic to Israelis than Palestinians, a dramatic shift in party opinion.
Chapter 9 · 33:20
Can a Jewish or Gay Candidate Win the Presidency? And What Does Netanyahu's Legacy Mean?
The conversation deepens into the question of electability and identity. Katty Kay sets up the Josh Shapiro problem: he is a formidable governor of Pennsylvania with strong executive credentials, but his position on Israel — supporting US military aid while being critical of Netanyahu — is no longer viable in today's Democratic primary. [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Anthony Scaramucci asked bluntly: can a Jewish candidate or a gay candidate win the US presidency today? His honest answer is no — despite …" 36:17 She contrasts him with Jon Ossoff, the Georgia senator who has been sharply opposed to blanket military aid, and notes Ossoff is gaining momentum while Shapiro's numbers face headwinds. The Israel needle, she argues, can no longer be threaded. Scaramucci goes further — he asks the direct question: can a Jewish candidate win the presidency? His honest answer is no, and the same goes for Pete Buttigieg. Both men are clearly qualified, he says, but the country isn't there yet. On America's 250th anniversary, Katty Kay delivers a sobering coda: all men are still not created equal in the eyes of the electorate. The hosts then discuss Joe Scarborough's Monday monologue — which Scaramucci generously calls phenomenal — and his claim that Netanyahu has damaged the Israeli brand in America. Scaramucci reflects more personally, drawing on his visits to Yad Vashem and the historical assimilation of Jews in Germany, to ask whether it is fair to see Netanyahu as a disaster for that brand. Both agree it is fair. Kay adds the generational dimension: the Democrats now going to the polls have only ever known Netanyahu, and they associate the entire state of Israel with his actions.
Claims made here
Jews in Germany had been present for 500 years and considered themselves fully assimilated before Hitler came to power; 60% left, 40% stayed and many met tragic ends.
Katty Kay argues Josh Shapiro is a superb candidate in almost every way — but the Democratic Party's shift on Israel makes it impossible for him to hold the position he currently holds and win a 2028 primary. The New York results this week made that clearer than ever.
Katty Kay argued that Josh Shapiro, despite being a strong candidate otherwise, will struggle to thread the needle on Israel in today's Democratic Party and may be unelectable in a 2028 primary.
Anthony Scaramucci asked bluntly: can a Jewish candidate or a gay candidate win the US presidency today? His honest answer is no — despite Josh Shapiro and Pete Buttigieg both being exceptionally qualified. On America's 250th anniversary, this is a sobering verdict on how far equality has actually come.
Anthony Scaramucci said that despite their qualifications, he believes neither a Jewish candidate nor a gay candidate could currently be elected president of the United States.
Democrats swept New York City's primaries with democratic socialists. Republicans will use that footage in every suburban district from Iowa to Pennsylvania. Katty Kay's warning: the voters deciding the midterms are not in Brooklyn — and Democrats risk handing the GOP a perfect script while celebrating in Manhattan.
Chapter 10 · 39:40
Democrats Beware: New York Is Not America
Before signing off, Katty Kay issues a strategic warning to the Democratic Party. Yes, Mamdani's candidates swept New York. Yes, the energy on the left is real. But the primaries that happened this week were not all in New York City: Democrats also nominated an Army veteran in upstate New York's 17th District and a three-star Navy Rear Admiral fired by Pete Hegseth in a South Carolina race. [1] — Katty Kay "Democrats swept New York City's primaries with democratic socialists. Republicans will use that footage in every suburban district from Iow…" 39:35 That's the map that actually matters. The voters who will decide the midterms are in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the suburbs — not Brooklyn — and Republicans will run those New York City Democratic Socialist wins on a loop in every competitive district from now until November. Katty Kay's warning is clear: don't win liberal cities while handing the GOP the script they need for the suburbs. Scaramucci agrees, adding his own sharp observation: Donald Trump effectively controls the Democratic Party, because he knows exactly how to trigger its members into reactive overreach. His message to Democrats is simple — stop taking the bait. The hosts close on an almost wistful note, acknowledging America's 250th birthday is next week and that the goal is simply to get another 250 years out of it.
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Central subject throughout the episode — discussed for sabotaging his own party, the Haberman book revelations, and his confrontations with Senate Republicans.
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Louisiana senator who had a public shouting match with Trump, confronted him over the Iran war, and then briefed reporters on the altercation.
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Senior Trump aide profiled in 'Regime Change' as a vain, superstitious Machiavellian who has never ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years.
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New York City mayor who backed three Democratic Socialist candidates in New York congressional primaries and swept all three, compared to Trump's endorsement model.
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Israeli prime minister discussed as someone Trump privately hates, whom he browbeat over hostage release, and who is seen as having damaged Israel's brand in the US.
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Co-author with Jonathan Swan of 'Regime Change,' described as the most discussed book in Washington this week about Trump's first year of his second term.
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Senate Majority Leader who visibly walked away from Trump in the opposite direction after the failed Capitol signing event.
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Pennsylvania governor discussed as a strong potential 2028 Democratic presidential candidate whose pro-Israel position makes him electorally vulnerable in the current Democratic Party.
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House Speaker left humiliated at the abandoned housing bill signing ceremony, telling reporters he hadn't been blindsided.
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Democratic Socialist candidate backed by Mamdani who defeated incumbent Dan Goldman in New York's 10th District on an explicitly pro-Palestinian platform.
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Vice President depicted in 'Regime Change' being berated by Trump for not using the word 'obliterated' about Iran's nuclear program on Sunday shows.
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Co-author of 'Regime Change' with Maggie Haberman, praised for extraordinary sourcing including from inside the Situation Room.
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Sitting Democrat in New York's 10th District who was primaried and beaten by Brad Lander for being insufficiently critical of Israel.
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Georgia senator cited as a rising Democratic figure who has been sharply critical of Israeli government actions and opposed blanket US military aid to Israel.
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NATO Secretary General criticised by Scaramucci for excessive flattery of Trump, believing he could become the 'Trump whisperer.'
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Pollster cited by Katty Kay as having noted a decline in Gavin Newsom's numbers and a rise for Jon Ossoff in the 2028 Democratic presidential field.
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Cited by Scaramucci as an example of a highly qualified candidate he believes could not win the US presidency due to his sexual orientation.
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Book by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan about Trump's second term, described as the only thing Washington is reading this week, with Situation Room-level sourcing.
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A New York Times poll found that 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, while only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis than Palestinians.
Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist of America candidates in New York congressional primaries and all three won.
The housing bill that Trump refused to sign had a veto-proof majority in Congress.
Trump was interviewed by Haberman and Swan for 'Regime Change' in March 2026 and did not deny the Epstein-related Situation Room accounts.
The Epstein-related Situation Room meeting described in 'Regime Change' had only 6 people present.
Trump declared he would pardon everyone within 200 to 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th.
According to 'Regime Change,' Trump browbeat Netanyahu into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza.
Senator Cassidy told Trump during a shouting match that the Iran war Trump said would last 4 weeks actually lasted 4 months.
Trump has effectively cost both Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn their Senate seats through his political interventions.
BetterHelp's 2026 State of Stigma report surveyed 2,000 Americans and found 85% believe getting mental health support is wise, but 74% think society discourages people from doing so.
Dan Goldman, a sitting Jewish liberal Zionist Democrat, was defeated in New York's 10th Congressional District primary for being insufficiently critical of Israel.
Jews in Germany had been present for 500 years and considered themselves fully assimilated before Hitler came to power; 60% left, 40% stayed and many met tragic ends.