199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Own Party?

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Own Party?

Trump refused to sign a veto-proof bipartisan housing bill at the last minute, leaving a podium full of pens and a humiliated Mike Johnson — and his own party finally seems to be waking up.

Jun 26, 2026 42:18 Difficulty: Intermediate Played

TL;DR

Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci unpack a chaotic week in Washington: Trump's shouting match with Senator Bill Cassidy, his last-minute refusal to sign a bipartisan housing bill, and what Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan's new book "Regime Change" reveals about an instinct-driven, pardon-obsessed White House. They then turn to New York's Democratic primaries, where Zohran Mamdani-backed candidates swept 3-for-3, exposing a seismic shift — 60% of Democratic voters now sympathise more with Palestinians than Israelis. The key takeaway: Trump may be actively sabotaging his own party ahead of the midterms.

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Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci discuss Trump's shouting match with Senator Bill Cassidy, his refusal to sign a bipartisan housing bill, revelations from the Haberman-Swan book 'Regime Change,' and the New York Democratic primaries that exposed a seismic Democratic shift on Israel.

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  • The main content opens mid-drama, with a Trump clip from outside the meeting room declaring it a 'really great meeting' — which Katty Kay immediately unpacks as evidence of the opposite. She describes a perfectly staged signing ceremony: the podium set, the ceremonial pens lined up, Trump on his way to the Capitol. Then, on a whim, he pulls out — refusing to sign a bipartisan housing bill until Congress passes the SAVE Act, his controversial voting-eligibility legislation. The bill already had a veto-proof majority, making the gesture purely performative. Anthony Scaramucci, barely concealing his delight, calls this his 'I told you so' moment — Trump does whatever he wants, and he always has. The real theatre, Scaramucci says, was watching Mike Johnson face reporters with a microphone and deny being blindsided. Kay brings in the parallel drama: a full-blown shouting match between Trump and Senator Bill Cassidy, in which Cassidy refused to sit down, matched Trump's volume, and then immediately briefed reporters on every detail — including confronting Trump with the fact that the Iran war he promised would last four weeks had lasted four months. The episode is barely five minutes old and a stink bomb, as Scaramucci puts it, has already gone off in the US Congress.

  • With the staging of the abandoned signing ceremony and the Cassidy shouting match fully laid out, the hosts turn to the bigger question: is this incompetence or intent? Scaramucci is unequivocal — Trump is burning it down on purpose. He lists the evidence: Trump cost Bill Cassidy his Senate seat, effectively cost John Cornyn his, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to renew the FISA intelligence law. This is a man, Scaramucci says, who at 80 has stopped caring about polls, party, or consequence. Haberman herself has noted the classic disinhibition of an aging man who has simply decided to do whatever he wants. Katty Kay, channelling the Republican strategist she's imagining in the room, offers a starkly different tone: her message to Congressional Republicans is that they are on their own. Worse than that, she says, they may have an active adversary in the White House. The president drove them into a war they didn't need, pushed up gas prices, and has now pulled the rug from under their best shot at a housing policy win. Kay's advice to those past their primaries: YOLO. Distance yourself from Washington. Raise your own money. Run your own race. Because associating with anything happening in Washington right now — including, she notes dryly, the green algae-laced Reflecting Pool — is electoral poison.

  • Cassidy is an interesting character in this drama, Scaramucci notes: the Louisiana senator Trump didn't endorse, whose seat was taken by Julia Letlow, and yet who seems to have found a spine now that he's on his way out. Katty Kay traces his contradictory week — voting to invoke the War Powers Act to restrain Trump on Iran, then reversing that position to give the president latitude to negotiate. Kay's reading is charitable: Cassidy is trying to be the adult in the room, not opposing Trump for sport, but threading the needle between accountability and not undermining live negotiations while US troops are in the field. Scaramucci is less generous, arguing the reversal was driven primarily by Republicans' inability to be seen as anti-military. But both agree on the key observation: Republican senators are close to flexing on Trump. They haven't broken yet, but the conditions are there. Scaramucci says if he were advising Trump, the message would be blunt: 'Dude, they're about to turn on you. Stop acting crazy.' The green algae reflecting pool and the general chaos of Washington right now are accelerating that moment, not delaying it.

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  • The second half opens with the hosts marvelling at the sourcing in Haberman and Swan's 'Regime Change' — a book that managed to get inside the Situation Room despite this White House being harder to leak from than Trump's first term. Scaramucci frames four main takeaways: first, this is an instinct-over-information presidency, a decision-making-of-one operation where whoever spoke to Trump last has shaped policy; second, Trump privately hates Netanyahu and the book documents how he browbeat him into releasing 20 living hostages; third, the pardon perimeter — Trump's stated plan to pardon everyone within 200-250 feet of the Capitol — is 'the most nutso thing' that is nonetheless 'totally on brand' according to a senior aide; and fourth, a forensic portrait of Stephen Miller as a fashion-conscious, superstitious Machiavellian who has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Katty Kay adds her own highlights: the psychological portrait of Trump getting a literal high from issuing pardons — the intoxicating mix of instant results, no constraints, and total indebtedness of recipients — is one of the book's most compelling passages. She also recounts the extraordinary scene where Trump berated JD Vance for not using the word 'obliterated' when describing Iran's nuclear program on Sunday shows, demanding that everyone simply copy his Truth Social post verbatim. The hosts agree: this book chronicles the dramatic arc from Trump's seemingly unstoppable first few months to the turning point around the Epstein files, and the contrast with where things stand now — losing, losing, losing — is striking.

  • The episode's second major topic arrives with the results of New York's Democratic congressional primaries: a clean sweep for Mamdani-backed candidates. Katty Kay had warned that this was a real test for the newly elected New York City mayor — three endorsements, all Democratic Socialists of America, all in races where a failure would have undermined his political authority. He passed. The race that most crystallised the moment was New York's 10th District, where Dan Goldman — a sitting congressman, Jewish, a self-described liberal Zionist — was beaten by Brad Lander, also Jewish, also a liberal Zionist, but one who had been far more forthright in condemning Israel's conduct in Gaza and was willing to use the word genocide. The result, Kay argues, is not just about the economics of democratic socialism; it reflects a genuine inflection point in American public opinion on Israel. A New York Times poll she cites makes the scale of the shift stark: 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, and only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis. Scaramucci acknowledges Mamdani has built a Trump-like endorsement machine in New York, but warns the country may not be ready for this direction — if Democrats go this way nationally, he predicts Republicans take back the presidency and the House in 2028.

  • The conversation deepens into the question of electability and identity. Katty Kay sets up the Josh Shapiro problem: he is a formidable governor of Pennsylvania with strong executive credentials, but his position on Israel — supporting US military aid while being critical of Netanyahu — is no longer viable in today's Democratic primary. She contrasts him with Jon Ossoff, the Georgia senator who has been sharply opposed to blanket military aid, and notes Ossoff is gaining momentum while Shapiro's numbers face headwinds. The Israel needle, she argues, can no longer be threaded. Scaramucci goes further — he asks the direct question: can a Jewish candidate win the presidency? His honest answer is no, and the same goes for Pete Buttigieg. Both men are clearly qualified, he says, but the country isn't there yet. On America's 250th anniversary, Katty Kay delivers a sobering coda: all men are still not created equal in the eyes of the electorate. The hosts then discuss Joe Scarborough's Monday monologue — which Scaramucci generously calls phenomenal — and his claim that Netanyahu has damaged the Israeli brand in America. Scaramucci reflects more personally, drawing on his visits to Yad Vashem and the historical assimilation of Jews in Germany, to ask whether it is fair to see Netanyahu as a disaster for that brand. Both agree it is fair. Kay adds the generational dimension: the Democrats now going to the polls have only ever known Netanyahu, and they associate the entire state of Israel with his actions.

  • Before signing off, Katty Kay issues a strategic warning to the Democratic Party. Yes, Mamdani's candidates swept New York. Yes, the energy on the left is real. But the primaries that happened this week were not all in New York City: Democrats also nominated an Army veteran in upstate New York's 17th District and a three-star Navy Rear Admiral fired by Pete Hegseth in a South Carolina race. That's the map that actually matters. The voters who will decide the midterms are in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the suburbs — not Brooklyn — and Republicans will run those New York City Democratic Socialist wins on a loop in every competitive district from now until November. Katty Kay's warning is clear: don't win liberal cities while handing the GOP the script they need for the suburbs. Scaramucci agrees, adding his own sharp observation: Donald Trump effectively controls the Democratic Party, because he knows exactly how to trigger its members into reactive overreach. His message to Democrats is simple — stop taking the bait. The hosts close on an almost wistful note, acknowledging America's 250th birthday is next week and that the goal is simply to get another 250 years out of it.

  • The episode closes warmly but with a note of exhausted pragmatism. The hosts flag that next week's episode will land in the middle of America's 250th birthday celebrations over July 4th. Scaramucci wishes America a happy birthday and says the goal is another 250 years. Katty Kay, more cautiously, suggests just getting through the next 2.5 years first — taking it one step at a time, one deep breath at a time. They sign off with their usual warmth, reminding listeners to check out the tour and the summer membership sale before they go.

Pocket veto
A presidential tactic of declining to sign a bill into law without formally vetoing it, effectively killing it — used here because Trump wanted to avoid the embarrassment of an official veto being overridden.
SAVE Act
The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act — Trump's bill requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, described by critics as a voter suppression measure.
FISA
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — US law governing domestic collection of foreign intelligence; Trump was refusing to renew it, creating friction with Congressional Republicans.
War Powers Act
US law limiting the president's ability to commit forces to armed conflict without Congressional approval; Cassidy initially voted to invoke it to restrain Trump on Iran.
DSA
Democratic Socialists of America — the left-wing political organisation whose candidates swept the New York Democratic congressional primaries backed by Mayor Mamdani.
Veto-proof majority
A supermajority (two-thirds of each chamber) large enough to override a presidential veto, meaning the president's refusal to sign is effectively symbolic — as with the housing bill in this episode.
Disinhibition
A neurological and psychological term for reduced restraint over impulses and behaviour, often associated with aging or frontal lobe changes; used by a doctor guest to describe Trump's behavioural pattern.
YOLO caucus
Katty Kay's informal term for Congressional Republicans who, having survived their primaries, now have political freedom to distance themselves from Trump without fear of a primary challenge.
Manichean
Relating to a worldview that sees everything as a stark battle between good and evil, or light and dark; used by Scaramucci to describe Stephen Miller's calculating, binary court-like political strategy.
Philo-Semite
A person who holds warm admiration or affinity for Jewish people and culture; used by Scaramucci to describe his own orientation when discussing the Israel-antisemitism debate.
Callow
Immature and lacking experience or sophistication; used light-heartedly by Scaramucci to describe himself as prone to gloating.
Fait accompli
A French phrase meaning a done deal or an accomplished fact that is unlikely to be reversed; used by Scaramucci to describe how American support for Israel was once unquestionable.
Inflection point
A critical moment where a trend changes direction significantly; used to describe the shift in Democratic Party attitudes on Israel following the New York primary results.
Muzzle velocity
The speed of a bullet as it leaves a gun barrel; used metaphorically by Katty Kay to describe the overwhelming pace and force of Trump's actions in the early part of his second term.
Bedazzled
Dazzled or overwhelmed to the point of confusion; used by Katty Kay to describe how observers were stunned into paralysis by the sheer speed of Trump's second-term offensive.

Chapter 2 · 02:40

Trump's Housing Bill Snub: A Staged Signing Ceremony Abandoned

The main content opens mid-drama, with a Trump clip from outside the meeting room declaring it a 'really great meeting' — which Katty Kay immediately unpacks as evidence of the opposite. She describes a perfectly staged signing ceremony: the podium set, the ceremonial pens lined up, Trump on his way to the Capitol. Then, on a whim, he pulls out — refusing to sign a bipartisan housing bill until Congress passes the SAVE Act, his controversial voting-eligibility legislation. The bill already had a veto-proof majority, making the gesture purely performative. Anthony Scaramucci, barely concealing his delight, calls this his 'I told you so' moment — Trump does whatever he wants, and he always has. The real theatre, Scaramucci says, was watching Mike Johnson face reporters with a microphone and deny being blindsided. Kay brings in the parallel drama: a full-blown shouting match between Trump and Senator Bill Cassidy, in which Cassidy refused to sit down, matched Trump's volume, and then immediately briefed reporters on every detail — including confronting Trump with the fact that the Iran war he promised would last four weeks had lasted four months. The episode is barely five minutes old and a stink bomb, as Scaramucci puts it, has already gone off in the US Congress.

Claims made here

Senator Cassidy told Trump during a shouting match that the Iran war Trump said would last 4 weeks actually lasted 4 months.

Katty Kay no source cited

Trump has effectively cost both Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn their Senate seats through his political interventions.

Katty Kay no source cited

Government
Trump's Last-Minute Housing Bill Snub Humiliates the GOP

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 Government

Trump refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill at the last minute — after a full signing ceremony was staged at the Capitol — holding it hostage to his SAVE Act. The bill had a veto-proof majority. This wasn't a strategic move; it was a hissy fit that left Mike Johnson holding a microphone and answering questions about being blindsided.

Government
Cassidy vs. Trump: The Shouting Match That Broke the Party

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 Government

Senator Bill Cassidy refused to be bullied by Trump, shouting back and then immediately telling reporters every detail. He confronted Trump directly: 'You said this war would last 4 weeks. It lasted 4 months.' When a sitting senator calls a press conference to narrate his president's meltdown, the party's discipline has collapsed.

Chapter 3 · 09:30

Is Trump Burning Down His Own Party?

With the staging of the abandoned signing ceremony and the Cassidy shouting match fully laid out, the hosts turn to the bigger question: is this incompetence or intent? Scaramucci is unequivocal — Trump is burning it down on purpose. He lists the evidence: Trump cost Bill Cassidy his Senate seat, effectively cost John Cornyn his, is blocking a veto-proof housing bill, and is refusing to renew the FISA intelligence law. This is a man, Scaramucci says, who at 80 has stopped caring about polls, party, or consequence. Haberman herself has noted the classic disinhibition of an aging man who has simply decided to do whatever he wants. Katty Kay, channelling the Republican strategist she's imagining in the room, offers a starkly different tone: her message to Congressional Republicans is that they are on their own. Worse than that, she says, they may have an active adversary in the White House. The president drove them into a war they didn't need, pushed up gas prices, and has now pulled the rug from under their best shot at a housing policy win. Kay's advice to those past their primaries: YOLO. Distance yourself from Washington. Raise your own money. Run your own race. Because associating with anything happening in Washington right now — including, she notes dryly, the green algae-laced Reflecting Pool — is electoral poison.

Claims made here

The housing bill that Trump refused to sign had a veto-proof majority in Congress.

Katty Kay no source cited

Government
The YOLO Caucus: Republicans Waking Up Too Late

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 Government

Katty Kay's advice to every Republican who has cleared their primary: you are now in the YOLO caucus. Distance yourself from the White House, raise your own money, and run on your own record. The president's approval is at rock bottom, Washington looks like crazy town, and your only path to reelection is to make voters forget you were ever associated with any of it.

Chapter 4 · 13:40

Cassidy's Reversal on Iran War Powers and the YOLO Caucus

Cassidy is an interesting character in this drama, Scaramucci notes: the Louisiana senator Trump didn't endorse, whose seat was taken by Julia Letlow, and yet who seems to have found a spine now that he's on his way out. Katty Kay traces his contradictory week — voting to invoke the War Powers Act to restrain Trump on Iran, then reversing that position to give the president latitude to negotiate. Kay's reading is charitable: Cassidy is trying to be the adult in the room, not opposing Trump for sport, but threading the needle between accountability and not undermining live negotiations while US troops are in the field. Scaramucci is less generous, arguing the reversal was driven primarily by Republicans' inability to be seen as anti-military. But both agree on the key observation: Republican senators are close to flexing on Trump. They haven't broken yet, but the conditions are there. Scaramucci says if he were advising Trump, the message would be blunt: 'Dude, they're about to turn on you. Stop acting crazy.' The green algae reflecting pool and the general chaos of Washington right now are accelerating that moment, not delaying it.

Chapter 5 · 15:45

Sponsor Break: Founding Member Summer Sale

The hosts take a mid-episode break to promote their founding member offering: a summer sale running through August 31st, with annual memberships available for one-third off using code SUMMER26. The subscription unlocks ad-free listening, access to all bonus episodes, and the exclusive members' mini-series — which includes deep dives on Marco Rubio, Elon Musk, and Trump's health, plus popular Q&A sessions with listeners. They also promote their upcoming North America tour, with Scaramucci particularly excited about the New York City stop in October. Sign-up and tour tickets are both available at therestispoliticsus.com.

Chapter 7 · 18:22

'Regime Change': What Haberman and Swan Found Inside the Trump White House

The second half opens with the hosts marvelling at the sourcing in Haberman and Swan's 'Regime Change' — a book that managed to get inside the Situation Room despite this White House being harder to leak from than Trump's first term. Scaramucci frames four main takeaways: first, this is an instinct-over-information presidency, a decision-making-of-one operation where whoever spoke to Trump last has shaped policy; second, Trump privately hates Netanyahu and the book documents how he browbeat him into releasing 20 living hostages; third, the pardon perimeter — Trump's stated plan to pardon everyone within 200-250 feet of the Capitol — is 'the most nutso thing' that is nonetheless 'totally on brand' according to a senior aide; and fourth, a forensic portrait of Stephen Miller as a fashion-conscious, superstitious Machiavellian who has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Katty Kay adds her own highlights: the psychological portrait of Trump getting a literal high from issuing pardons — the intoxicating mix of instant results, no constraints, and total indebtedness of recipients — is one of the book's most compelling passages. She also recounts the extraordinary scene where Trump berated JD Vance for not using the word 'obliterated' when describing Iran's nuclear program on Sunday shows, demanding that everyone simply copy his Truth Social post verbatim. The hosts agree: this book chronicles the dramatic arc from Trump's seemingly unstoppable first few months to the turning point around the Epstein files, and the contrast with where things stand now — losing, losing, losing — is striking.

Claims made here

The Epstein-related Situation Room meeting described in 'Regime Change' had only 6 people present.

Katty Kay Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

Trump was interviewed by Haberman and Swan for 'Regime Change' in March 2026 and did not deny the Epstein-related Situation Room accounts.

Anthony Scaramucci Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

According to 'Regime Change,' Trump browbeat Netanyahu into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza.

Anthony Scaramucci Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

Trump declared he would pardon everyone within 200 to 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th.

Anthony Scaramucci Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

Government
Stephen Miller: Fashion Icon, Political Survivor

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 Government

Stephen Miller is a fashionista who switched from a comb-over to a shaved head out of vanity, is deeply superstitious about keeping his old White House office, and has never once ended up on the wrong side of Trump in 11 years. Scaramucci calls it revolting Manichean court calculation. Haberman and Swan made it unforgettable.

Chapter 8 · 26:00

New York Democratic Primaries: Mamdani's Sweep and the Israel Earthquake

The episode's second major topic arrives with the results of New York's Democratic congressional primaries: a clean sweep for Mamdani-backed candidates. Katty Kay had warned that this was a real test for the newly elected New York City mayor — three endorsements, all Democratic Socialists of America, all in races where a failure would have undermined his political authority. He passed. The race that most crystallised the moment was New York's 10th District, where Dan Goldman — a sitting congressman, Jewish, a self-described liberal Zionist — was beaten by Brad Lander, also Jewish, also a liberal Zionist, but one who had been far more forthright in condemning Israel's conduct in Gaza and was willing to use the word genocide. The result, Kay argues, is not just about the economics of democratic socialism; it reflects a genuine inflection point in American public opinion on Israel. A New York Times poll she cites makes the scale of the shift stark: 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, and only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis. Scaramucci acknowledges Mamdani has built a Trump-like endorsement machine in New York, but warns the country may not be ready for this direction — if Democrats go this way nationally, he predicts Republicans take back the presidency and the House in 2028.

Claims made here

Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist of America candidates in New York congressional primaries and all three won.

Katty Kay no source cited

A New York Times poll found that 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, while only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis than Palestinians.

Katty Kay New York Times poll

Dan Goldman, a sitting Jewish liberal Zionist Democrat, was defeated in New York's 10th Congressional District primary for being insufficiently critical of Israel.

Katty Kay no source cited

News
Data point 60%

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 News

A New York Times poll shows 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis. Only 15% lean toward Israel. This is not a fringe position in today's Democratic Party — it is the majority view, and it is reshaping who can run for president in 2028.

Chapter 9 · 33:20

Can a Jewish or Gay Candidate Win the Presidency? And What Does Netanyahu's Legacy Mean?

The conversation deepens into the question of electability and identity. Katty Kay sets up the Josh Shapiro problem: he is a formidable governor of Pennsylvania with strong executive credentials, but his position on Israel — supporting US military aid while being critical of Netanyahu — is no longer viable in today's Democratic primary. She contrasts him with Jon Ossoff, the Georgia senator who has been sharply opposed to blanket military aid, and notes Ossoff is gaining momentum while Shapiro's numbers face headwinds. The Israel needle, she argues, can no longer be threaded. Scaramucci goes further — he asks the direct question: can a Jewish candidate win the presidency? His honest answer is no, and the same goes for Pete Buttigieg. Both men are clearly qualified, he says, but the country isn't there yet. On America's 250th anniversary, Katty Kay delivers a sobering coda: all men are still not created equal in the eyes of the electorate. The hosts then discuss Joe Scarborough's Monday monologue — which Scaramucci generously calls phenomenal — and his claim that Netanyahu has damaged the Israeli brand in America. Scaramucci reflects more personally, drawing on his visits to Yad Vashem and the historical assimilation of Jews in Germany, to ask whether it is fair to see Netanyahu as a disaster for that brand. Both agree it is fair. Kay adds the generational dimension: the Democrats now going to the polls have only ever known Netanyahu, and they associate the entire state of Israel with his actions.

Claims made here

Jews in Germany had been present for 500 years and considered themselves fully assimilated before Hitler came to power; 60% left, 40% stayed and many met tragic ends.

Anthony Scaramucci Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum

Society & Culture
Can a Jewish or Gay Candidate Win the Presidency?

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Anthony Scaramucci asked bluntly: can a Jewish candidate or a gay candidate win the US presidency today? His honest answer is no — despite Josh Shapiro and Pete Buttigieg both being exceptionally qualified. On America's 250th anniversary, this is a sobering verdict on how far equality has actually come.

Chapter 10 · 39:40

Democrats Beware: New York Is Not America

Before signing off, Katty Kay issues a strategic warning to the Democratic Party. Yes, Mamdani's candidates swept New York. Yes, the energy on the left is real. But the primaries that happened this week were not all in New York City: Democrats also nominated an Army veteran in upstate New York's 17th District and a three-star Navy Rear Admiral fired by Pete Hegseth in a South Carolina race. That's the map that actually matters. The voters who will decide the midterms are in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the suburbs — not Brooklyn — and Republicans will run those New York City Democratic Socialist wins on a loop in every competitive district from now until November. Katty Kay's warning is clear: don't win liberal cities while handing the GOP the script they need for the suburbs. Scaramucci agrees, adding his own sharp observation: Donald Trump effectively controls the Democratic Party, because he knows exactly how to trigger its members into reactive overreach. His message to Democrats is simple — stop taking the bait. The hosts close on an almost wistful note, acknowledging America's 250th birthday is next week and that the goal is simply to get another 250 years out of it.

No indexed bits in this chapter.

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News
Data point 60%

199. White House Shouting Match: Is Trump Sabotaging His Ow… · Jun 26, 2026 News

A New York Times poll shows 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis. Only 15% lean toward Israel. This is not a fringe position in today's Democratic Party — it is the majority view, and it is reshaping who can run for president in 2028.

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A New York Times poll found that 60% of Democratic voters are now more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis, while only 15% are more sympathetic to Israelis than Palestinians.

Katty Kay New York Times poll

Zohran Mamdani backed three Democratic Socialist of America candidates in New York congressional primaries and all three won.

Katty Kay no source cited

The housing bill that Trump refused to sign had a veto-proof majority in Congress.

Katty Kay no source cited

Trump was interviewed by Haberman and Swan for 'Regime Change' in March 2026 and did not deny the Epstein-related Situation Room accounts.

Anthony Scaramucci Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

The Epstein-related Situation Room meeting described in 'Regime Change' had only 6 people present.

Katty Kay Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

Trump declared he would pardon everyone within 200 to 250 feet of the Capitol on January 6th.

Anthony Scaramucci Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

According to 'Regime Change,' Trump browbeat Netanyahu into submission to secure the release of 20 living hostages from Gaza.

Anthony Scaramucci Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan

Senator Cassidy told Trump during a shouting match that the Iran war Trump said would last 4 weeks actually lasted 4 months.

Katty Kay no source cited

Trump has effectively cost both Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn their Senate seats through his political interventions.

Katty Kay no source cited

BetterHelp's 2026 State of Stigma report surveyed 2,000 Americans and found 85% believe getting mental health support is wise, but 74% think society discourages people from doing so.

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Dan Goldman, a sitting Jewish liberal Zionist Democrat, was defeated in New York's 10th Congressional District primary for being insufficiently critical of Israel.

Katty Kay no source cited

Jews in Germany had been present for 500 years and considered themselves fully assimilated before Hitler came to power; 60% left, 40% stayed and many met tragic ends.

Anthony Scaramucci Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum

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