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Spain Prevails, World Cup Winners and Losers, and Damon Vs. Leo With Chris Ryan and Anthony Dabbundo

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Matt Damon vs. Leonardo DiCaprio

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The debate is framed by Chris Ryan's opening observation: DiCaprio has twice as few films as Damon and treats himself like a brand — only Leonardo DiCaprio parts with Leonardo DiCaprio directors. Damon, by contrast, will pop up in a Soderbergh garage shoot, do SNL, and take ensemble supporting roles. Bill walks through a dozen custom categories. Damon wins: iconic rewatchables (Rounders, Bourne, Ocean's Eleven, Interstellar), action films (the entire Bourne franchise), ensemble movies (Ocean's, Oppenheimer, Saving Private Ryan), comedy, range, TV work, screenwriting, and director buddies in sheer number (Soderbergh, Nolan, Lonergan, Kevin Smith). DiCaprio wins Oscar bait, most iconic single movie moments (the Titanic prow, the bear scene), younger films, and Best Picture batting average. The Departed head-to-head is a draw: DiCaprio won the movie but Damon had the harder part. Both agree The Odyssey — Damon playing Odysseus in Christopher Nolan's technically groundbreaking epic — is the best Damon has ever been, and Chris Ryan concedes that after seeing it, he would rather have Damon's career than DiCaprio's.

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