Ben Rhodes spent four years writing All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches.
Pope Leo XIV just dropped a 42,000-word warning that AI is being weaponized for domination and war — and almost nobody in power is listening.
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Pope Leo XIV just dropped a 42,000-word warning that AI is being weaponized for domination and war — and almost nobody in power is listening.
TL;DR
Tommy Vietor and Ben Rhodes break down a chaotic week in global affairs: the Iran ceasefire that never was, Tulsi Gabbard's messy exit as DNI, Pope Leo XIV's sweeping 42,000-word encyclical on AI's dangers to humanity and democracy [1] — Ben Rhodes "Fifteen years ago, unregulated AI transforming warfare and democracy would have triggered global summits and UN frameworks. Today, the US i…" 39:50 , Trump's quiet pause of a $14 billion Taiwan arms sale [2] — Tommy Vietor "No vaccine for this Ebola strain: There is no approved vaccine or effective treatment for the specific strain of Ebola driving the current …" 56:20 , a rapidly worsening Ebola outbreak in the DRC [3] — Ben Rhodes "In 2014, the US used USAID, the WHO, and military logistics to build health infrastructure in West Africa and stop an exponential Ebola out…" 58:20 , and Ben's new book on 15 defining speeches in American history. Key takeaway: the dismantling of USAID and US withdrawal from the WHO has left America dangerously unprepared for exactly the kind of global health emergency now unfolding in Congo.
Tommy Vietor and Ben Rhodes cover the Iran ceasefire chaos, Tulsi Gabbard's DNI resignation, Pope Leo XIV's sweeping AI encyclical, Trump's Taiwan arms sale pause, the worsening DRC Ebola outbreak, and Ben's new book All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches.
The episode opens with a full block of sponsor and promotional content. Ridge promotes its 5-in-1 travel power bank ahead of Father's Day, offering up to 40% off. A BBC Studios and 99% Invisible collaboration — 'A History of the United States in 100 Objects' — is plugged as a companion listen. Ozempic advertises its new pill-form semaglutide, and OnDeck pitches small business loans up to $400,000. The block sets the commercial tone before Tommy Vietor and Ben Rhodes take over.
Tommy opens with congratulations to Ben, who is in New York for his book launch and happened to watch the Knicks clinch their NBA Finals berth live. The banter is warm and celebratory, with Ben joking about potential looting. The tone shifts slightly when Tommy raises Trump's third visit to Walter Reed this year, wondering aloud whether something serious is being concealed. Ben notes that in eight years at the White House he never needed to go to Walter Reed for routine care, lending the observation some credibility without tipping into conspiracy. It's a brief detour that captures the ambient uncertainty around Trump's health before the show moves into its main material.
Tommy lays out a packed episode agenda covering Iran's chaotic ceasefire negotiations, Tulsi Gabbard's resignation as DNI, Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical, Trump's Taiwan arms sale pause, the worsening Ebola outbreak, and a closing interview with Ben about his book. Ben confirms All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches is available immediately, announces his book tour — Politics and Prose in DC, Books and Books in Miami, Parnassus in Nashville, and Cleveland Public Library — and urges listeners to buy copies. The segment also includes a brief ad for Crooked Media's Friend of the Pod subscription at $9.99/month.
Tommy maps the territory of one of the most confusing diplomatic weekends in recent memory. Trump declared the Iran deal '95% done,' then said he was 'in no rush,' then US forces conducted self-defense strikes on Iranian boats mining the Strait. The outline of a potential deal emerges: unfreezing up to $24 billion in Iranian assets, opening the Strait of Hormuz, US troop withdrawal from Iran's vicinity, and a 30–60 day window to negotiate nuclear terms — essentially kicking the hardest problems into the future. The obstacles stack up fast: unresolved disagreement over Iran's HEU stockpile, Israel's intensifying strikes on 70+ targets in Lebanon, Netanyahu's political incentives to keep the war going before a likely September election, Trump's bizarre demand that all countries 'mandatorily' join the Abraham Accords, no mention of Iranian ballistic missile caps, and the entire hawkish ecosystem — FDD, Lindsey Graham, Scott Jennings — now attacking Trump from the right for seeking an end to the war they helped start.
Ben unpacks the structural logic of the Iran impasse. Trump keeps spinning a best-case deal on Truth Social before the agreement is finalized, causing the IRGC to yank back its negotiators, then scrambling to reassemble. The real hangup is sequencing: Trump wants Iran to open the Strait before receiving money, but Iran holds all the leverage and won't move first. Ben argues that the eventual deal will be JCPOA lite — Iran ships HEU out, accepts inspections, gets money in tranches — because Trump has no alternative. The Netanyahu dimension is equally alarming: facing an election with no war objectives met, Netanyahu cannot afford to look like he lost, which means he may try to heat up Gaza or the West Bank once the Iran front goes quiet. Tommy and Ben also react with disbelief to NYT reporting, attributed to Ronan Bergman, that the US-Israel plan was to install Ahmadinejad — who crushed the 2009 Green Movement — as Iran's post-war leader via targeted airstrikes.
Tommy delivers mid-roll ads for two sponsors. Strawberry.me is pitched as a one-on-one career coaching platform offering 50% off a first session at strawberry.me/world — framed around the anxiety of career stagnation. SelectQuote follows, positioning itself as a life insurance broker that shops multiple top-rated insurers on your behalf, with a claim of saving listeners more than 50% on term life insurance at selectquote.com/world.
The segment opens with Gabbard's resignation letter citing her husband's rare bone cancer — genuinely awful circumstances — followed immediately by White House sources telling Reuters she was actually pushed out in April. A montage plays of Gabbard's greatest contradictions: her nuclear annihilation warning video, her Fulton County ballot-counting appearance, accusing Obama of treason during the Epstein files panic, then humiliating herself by walking back her own intelligence assessment that Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Ben argues the real significance of her tenure is what it signals about Trump's coalition: she and Joe Kent were appointed as signals to anti-interventionist MAGA that Trump would rein in the IC. Having now fired both, the apparatus is entirely neocon — Rubio, Hegseth, Ratcliffe. The acting DNI, Aaron Lucas, is Grenell's former chief of staff. Ben's verdict: Gabbard did significant harm to IC functionality by driving out career analysts who delivered unwelcome assessments, while failing to deliver on any of her stated policy objectives.
Tommy walks through the highlights of a genuinely remarkable document: the Pope's insistence that AI is not alive, does not have a conscience, and cannot bear moral responsibility; his expansive definition of 'disarming' AI to include economic and cognitive competition, not just military applications; his warning that AI lowers the threshold for violence by making war faster and more impersonal; and his call for shared global ethical standards backed by social justice frameworks. The encyclical drops the same week as Anthropic's fight with the Pentagon over military use, and the same week the Trump administration apparently considered an AI executive order before industry lobbyists got it killed. Ben connects this to the broader collapse of international governance: in normal times, AI would be the subject of UN summits and global standards processes. Instead, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the US — home to most of the major AI companies — is the least helpful actor in the conversation. The Pope, Ben argues, stepped into a vacuum no one else would fill, and the public appetite for moral leadership on AI is enormous. The segment closes with both hosts calling for Democrats to get where the Pope is on this issue.
The previous week's Trump-Xi meeting produced almost nothing visible in return for significant US concessions. Trump had already described Taiwan arms sales as a 'negotiating chip,' and now the acting Navy Secretary confirmed the $14 billion pause in Senate testimony — while simultaneously insisting the US had plenty of munitions, creating an obvious logical contradiction. Reuters reported the paused package includes air defense interceptors and other high-priority items Taiwan needs. Ben places this in the context of the Taiwan Relations Act: the 1979 law was designed precisely to deter a Chinese invasion by ensuring Taiwan could defend itself, making war too costly for Beijing. If Xi Jinping can extract progressive pauses across three more Trump-Xi meetings this year — APEC, G20, Washington — the cumulative effect could be to effectively void the Act without a single vote in Congress. Ben's nightmare scenario: Xi concludes that 2027–2028 is his strategic window, with Taiwan underarmed and Trump signaling he won't defend it. A Financial Times report that the hottest issue in the Xi-Trump meeting was Japanese remilitarization suggests further regional volatility ahead.
Tommy lays out five compounding factors making this outbreak uniquely dangerous: it was caught late; there is no vaccine or treatment for this particular strain; the outbreak is centered in an active conflict zone with minimal health infrastructure; traditional funeral customs involving contact with corpses accelerate transmission; and local distrust of foreign healthcare workers creates violent resistance. Then the sixth factor: Trump has dismantled USAID, withdrawn from the WHO, and left the US without ambassadors in over 100 countries, eliminating the entire diplomatic and logistical architecture needed for a coordinated international response. Ben draws a direct contrast with 2014, when the Obama administration used USAID, the WHO, and US military logistics to build field hospitals, coordinate international contributions, and contain an exponentially spreading outbreak. That playbook no longer exists. The segment ends on a grim note: with no permanent CDC director, no permanent NIAID head, and RFK Jr. catching snakes on Dr. Oz's porch, public health leadership is essentially non-existent.
Tommy warns Ben he's about to see a clip he has no context for and asks him to guess what's happening. Ben watches in confusion before identifying a person pulling a car while on fire. Tommy reveals the subject: John Stevenson of West Yorkshire, who combined his previous feats of car-pulling with his testicles and car-pulling while on fire into a single stunt using his penis, in the name of prostate cancer awareness and anti-bullying advocacy. Stevenson's own explanation — 'it's just hanging about, so I thought I'd put it to work' — becomes the episode's unlikely comedy peak. Ben wonders if Labour has found its next prime minister.
Tommy delivers an ad for Haya Health, a pediatric vitamin company offering 50% off at hiyahealth.com/world, emphasizing its zero-sugar, zero-additive formula and new Kids Daily Green powder. The block also includes an ad for ThirdLove bras offering $15 off with code PODCAST15, and a cross-promo for Hysteria, Crooked Media's podcast hosted by Erin Ryan and Alyssa Mastromonaco for politically engaged women.
The conversation opens with Tommy asking whether political speeches still matter in the age of algorithmic social media and Trump's stream-of-consciousness rally style. Ben argues that the speech remains the 'trunk of the tree' from which all other communications grow — but that Democrats have failed since Obama to provide an alternative national story, not just better policy arguments. He traces the arc of American speechmaking: from Franklin's carefully crafted newspaper-ready arguments to Douglass's celebrity speaking tours, from FDR's intimate radio addresses to Kennedy's televised spectacle, to today's clip-optimized fragments. Ben recounts the remarkable origin story of FDR's Four Freedoms: first mentioned almost offhandedly at a Hyde Park press conference, with 'freedom from want' suggested by a reporter on the spot, then dormant until FDR dictated the Lend-Lease speech's ending in the Oval Office the night before delivery. That speech, Ben argues, literally spoke America into its postwar purpose — language now embedded in the UN Charter. Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech gets a similarly deep analysis: framed as a constituent-service speech to the National Association of Evangelicals, it fused abortion politics, anti-bureaucracy sentiment, and anti-communism into a single coalition document, with the Soviet 'evil' defined through a Christian lens. Tommy and Ben close by reflecting on how both speeches — from opposite sides of the political spectrum — expressed commitments to values that are entirely absent from Trump's transactional foreign policy.
Tommy closes with congratulations to Ben on the book and encourages listeners to buy copies for friends and enemies alike. He then credits the full production team: Ilona Minkowski, Michael Goldsmith, and Ninesha Banerjee as producers, with Matt DeGroat, Ben Heathcote, Jordan Kanter, Kenny Moffett, David Toles, and Ryan listed as team members. The show notes its WGA East union affiliation. Closing ads for Hysteria and Rakuten's travel cash-back program round out the episode.
Chapter 3 · 05:05
Tommy lays out a packed episode agenda covering Iran's chaotic ceasefire negotiations, Tulsi Gabbard's resignation as DNI, Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical, Trump's Taiwan arms sale pause, the worsening Ebola outbreak, and a closing interview with Ben about his book. Ben confirms All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches is available immediately, announces his book tour — Politics and Prose in DC, Books and Books in Miami, Parnassus in Nashville, and Cleveland Public Library — and urges listeners to buy copies. The segment also includes a brief ad for Crooked Media's Friend of the Pod subscription at $9.99/month.
Ben Rhodes spent four years writing All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches.
Chapter 4 · 08:04
Tommy maps the territory of one of the most confusing diplomatic weekends in recent memory. Trump declared the Iran deal '95% done,' then said he was 'in no rush,' then US forces conducted self-defense strikes on Iranian boats mining the Strait. The outline of a potential deal emerges: unfreezing up to $24 billion in Iranian assets, opening the Strait of Hormuz, US troop withdrawal from Iran's vicinity, and a 30–60 day window to negotiate nuclear terms — essentially kicking the hardest problems into the future. The obstacles stack up fast: unresolved disagreement over Iran's HEU stockpile, Israel's intensifying strikes on 70+ targets in Lebanon, Netanyahu's political incentives to keep the war going before a likely September election, Trump's bizarre demand that all countries 'mandatorily' join the Abraham Accords, no mention of Iranian ballistic missile caps, and the entire hawkish ecosystem — FDD, Lindsey Graham, Scott Jennings — now attacking Trump from the right for seeking an end to the war they helped start.
Claims made here
Iran reportedly wants $24 billion in unfrozen assets as part of any ceasefire or peace deal.
Israel hit more than 70 targets in Lebanon over a few days leading up to the episode's recording.
Trump spent a weekend teasing an imminent Iran ceasefire deal, declaring it '95% done' — then US airstrikes on Iranian boats laid mines by Tuesday morning. The core problem: Trump won't give Iran money upfront to open the Strait, but Iran has all the leverage and won't move first.
As part of any ceasefire deal, Iran reportedly wants $24 billion in frozen assets unfrozen by the United States.
Israel hit more than 70 targets in Lebanon over a few days, with Netanyahu declaring they were pressing harder rather than winding down.
Iran has all the leverage, Trump has spent hundreds of billions and achieved nothing, and Netanyahu is escalating in Lebanon to avoid admitting defeat before his election. The deal is JCPOA lite or nothing — and no amount of Truth Social spin changes that math.
Chapter 5 · 14:08
Ben unpacks the structural logic of the Iran impasse. Trump keeps spinning a best-case deal on Truth Social before the agreement is finalized, causing the IRGC to yank back its negotiators, then scrambling to reassemble. The real hangup is sequencing: Trump wants Iran to open the Strait before receiving money, but Iran holds all the leverage and won't move first. Ben argues that the eventual deal will be JCPOA lite — Iran ships HEU out, accepts inspections, gets money in tranches — because Trump has no alternative. The Netanyahu dimension is equally alarming: facing an election with no war objectives met, Netanyahu cannot afford to look like he lost, which means he may try to heat up Gaza or the West Bank once the Iran front goes quiet. Tommy and Ben also react with disbelief to NYT reporting, attributed to Ronan Bergman, that the US-Israel plan was to install Ahmadinejad — who crushed the 2009 Green Movement — as Iran's post-war leader via targeted airstrikes.
Claims made here
The New York Times reported that the US and Israel planned to install Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's post-war leader using targeted airstrikes.
Israeli forces are holding up to 6 miles of territory inside Lebanon.
The US and Israel apparently planned to spring Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from house arrest via targeted airstrikes and install him as Iran's post-war leader. This is the man who crushed the 2009 Green Movement and threatened to eradicate Israel — the absolute nadir of regime-change fantasy planning.
A Frank Luntz tweet claimed the Iran deal was 95% done, with the remaining 5% covering Iran opening the Strait of Hormuz and turning over all nuclear materials — i.e., the entire substance of a deal.
Chapter 7 · 26:10
The segment opens with Gabbard's resignation letter citing her husband's rare bone cancer — genuinely awful circumstances — followed immediately by White House sources telling Reuters she was actually pushed out in April. A montage plays of Gabbard's greatest contradictions: her nuclear annihilation warning video, her Fulton County ballot-counting appearance, accusing Obama of treason during the Epstein files panic, then humiliating herself by walking back her own intelligence assessment that Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Ben argues the real significance of her tenure is what it signals about Trump's coalition: she and Joe Kent were appointed as signals to anti-interventionist MAGA that Trump would rein in the IC. Having now fired both, the apparatus is entirely neocon — Rubio, Hegseth, Ratcliffe. The acting DNI, Aaron Lucas, is Grenell's former chief of staff. Ben's verdict: Gabbard did significant harm to IC functionality by driving out career analysts who delivered unwelcome assessments, while failing to deliver on any of her stated policy objectives.
Tulsi Gabbard was appointed DNI as a signal to anti-interventionist MAGA that Trump would rein in the intelligence community. She then fired officials for honest assessments, covered for Trump's lies about Iran's nuclear threat, and ended up defending a war she built her career opposing. She leaves having achieved nothing.
Chapter 8 · 34:23
Tommy walks through the highlights of a genuinely remarkable document: the Pope's insistence that AI is not alive, does not have a conscience, and cannot bear moral responsibility; his expansive definition of 'disarming' AI to include economic and cognitive competition, not just military applications; his warning that AI lowers the threshold for violence by making war faster and more impersonal; and his call for shared global ethical standards backed by social justice frameworks. The encyclical drops the same week as Anthropic's fight with the Pentagon over military use, and the same week the Trump administration apparently considered an AI executive order before industry lobbyists got it killed. Ben connects this to the broader collapse of international governance: in normal times, AI would be the subject of UN summits and global standards processes. Instead, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the US — home to most of the major AI companies — is the least helpful actor in the conversation. The Pope, Ben argues, stepped into a vacuum no one else would fill, and the public appetite for moral leadership on AI is enormous. The segment closes with both hosts calling for Democrats to get where the Pope is on this issue.
Claims made here
Pope Leo XIV's encyclical on artificial intelligence is 42,300 words long.
Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical was released on the 135th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical on the Industrial Revolution.
Rishi Sunak was the only world leader to hold an AI safety summit during his tenure as UK Prime Minister.
Pope Leo XIV released a 42,300-word encyclical on AI — addressing its impact on war, democracy, labor, and human identity. The Pope's core argument: AI must be 'disarmed' not just militarily but economically and cognitively, freed from the race for dominance that is degrading humanity.
Pope Leo XIV released a 42,300-word encyclical on artificial intelligence covering ethics, war, democracy, and humanity's future.
Fifteen years ago, unregulated AI transforming warfare and democracy would have triggered global summits and UN frameworks. Today, the US is an arsonist in that conversation, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the only person speaking with moral authority is the Pope.
Chapter 9 · 46:20
The previous week's Trump-Xi meeting produced almost nothing visible in return for significant US concessions. Trump had already described Taiwan arms sales as a 'negotiating chip,' and now the acting Navy Secretary confirmed the $14 billion pause in Senate testimony — while simultaneously insisting the US had plenty of munitions, creating an obvious logical contradiction. Reuters reported the paused package includes air defense interceptors and other high-priority items Taiwan needs. Ben places this in the context of the Taiwan Relations Act: the 1979 law was designed precisely to deter a Chinese invasion by ensuring Taiwan could defend itself, making war too costly for Beijing. If Xi Jinping can extract progressive pauses across three more Trump-Xi meetings this year — APEC, G20, Washington — the cumulative effect could be to effectively void the Act without a single vote in Congress. Ben's nightmare scenario: Xi concludes that 2027–2028 is his strategic window, with Taiwan underarmed and Trump signaling he won't defend it. A Financial Times report that the hottest issue in the Xi-Trump meeting was Japanese remilitarization suggests further regional volatility ahead.
Claims made here
The US paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan, citing potential munitions needs related to the Iran war.
There is a nearly $30 billion backlog of US weapons deliveries already owed to Taiwan.
Trump's acting Navy Secretary confirmed the US paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan — citing potential munitions needs from the Iran war. This on top of a $30 billion existing weapons backlog. Ben Rhodes warns this signals to Xi Jinping that 2027-2028 is his window to move.
Trump's acting Secretary of the Navy confirmed the US had paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan, citing potential munitions needs from the Iran war.
The $14B pause comes on top of a nearly $30 billion existing backlog of US weapons deliveries already owed to Taiwan.
Chapter 10 · 54:10
Tommy lays out five compounding factors making this outbreak uniquely dangerous: it was caught late; there is no vaccine or treatment for this particular strain; the outbreak is centered in an active conflict zone with minimal health infrastructure; traditional funeral customs involving contact with corpses accelerate transmission; and local distrust of foreign healthcare workers creates violent resistance. Then the sixth factor: Trump has dismantled USAID, withdrawn from the WHO, and left the US without ambassadors in over 100 countries, eliminating the entire diplomatic and logistical architecture needed for a coordinated international response. Ben draws a direct contrast with 2014, when the Obama administration used USAID, the WHO, and US military logistics to build field hospitals, coordinate international contributions, and contain an exponentially spreading outbreak. That playbook no longer exists. The segment ends on a grim note: with no permanent CDC director, no permanent NIAID head, and RFK Jr. catching snakes on Dr. Oz's porch, public health leadership is essentially non-existent.
Claims made here
The WHO classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern.
The International Rescue Committee said the DRC Ebola outbreak could become the deadliest on record without urgent international action.
The Ebola outbreak in the DRC has produced more than 900 suspected cases and 222 deaths.
There is no approved vaccine or effective treatment for the specific strain of Ebola causing the current DRC outbreak.
The US currently lacks a confirmed ambassador in over 100 countries.
The DRC Ebola outbreak is a perfect storm: caught late, no vaccine for this strain, active conflict zone, and every US tool for responding — USAID, WHO coordination, diplomatic infrastructure — has been deliberately dismantled. Ben Rhodes, who lived through 2014 Ebola, says there's no credible blueprint for response.
The International Rescue Committee warned the DRC Ebola outbreak could become the deadliest on record without urgent international action.
The WHO classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern, with over 900 suspected cases and 222 deaths.
There is no approved vaccine or effective treatment for the specific strain of Ebola driving the current DRC outbreak, removing a critical containment tool.
In 2014, the US used USAID, the WHO, and military logistics to build health infrastructure in West Africa and stop an exponential Ebola outbreak. All three tools are gone now. Rhodes calls it not anti-Trump swerving but a literal accounting of what's been destroyed.
Ben Rhodes noted that the US currently lacks ambassadors in over 100 countries, severely limiting the diplomacy needed to coordinate a global Ebola response.
Chapter 11 · 1:01:30
Tommy warns Ben he's about to see a clip he has no context for and asks him to guess what's happening. Ben watches in confusion before identifying a person pulling a car while on fire. Tommy reveals the subject: John Stevenson of West Yorkshire, who combined his previous feats of car-pulling with his testicles and car-pulling while on fire into a single stunt using his penis, in the name of prostate cancer awareness and anti-bullying advocacy. Stevenson's own explanation — 'it's just hanging about, so I thought I'd put it to work' — becomes the episode's unlikely comedy peak. Ben wonders if Labour has found its next prime minister.
John Stevenson of West Yorkshire pulled a Renault Clio with his penis while someone lit him on fire — to raise awareness of prostate cancer and school bullying. He had previously pulled a car with his testicles and done a car pull while on fire separately, so he decided to combine both.
Chapter 12 · 1:06:40
Tommy delivers an ad for Haya Health, a pediatric vitamin company offering 50% off at hiyahealth.com/world, emphasizing its zero-sugar, zero-additive formula and new Kids Daily Green powder. The block also includes an ad for ThirdLove bras offering $15 off with code PODCAST15, and a cross-promo for Hysteria, Crooked Media's podcast hosted by Erin Ryan and Alyssa Mastromonaco for politically engaged women.
Ben Rhodes argues that since Obama, no Democrat has provided a coherent alternative story to Trump's — not just better policy, but a narrative about where the country is going and why it matters. FDR and Reagan both did it in their time. The Four Freedoms were new. The Evil Empire was new. Democrats need something new too.
Chapter 13 · 1:07:40
The conversation opens with Tommy asking whether political speeches still matter in the age of algorithmic social media and Trump's stream-of-consciousness rally style. Ben argues that the speech remains the 'trunk of the tree' from which all other communications grow — but that Democrats have failed since Obama to provide an alternative national story, not just better policy arguments. He traces the arc of American speechmaking: from Franklin's carefully crafted newspaper-ready arguments to Douglass's celebrity speaking tours, from FDR's intimate radio addresses to Kennedy's televised spectacle, to today's clip-optimized fragments. Ben recounts the remarkable origin story of FDR's Four Freedoms: first mentioned almost offhandedly at a Hyde Park press conference, with 'freedom from want' suggested by a reporter on the spot, then dormant until FDR dictated the Lend-Lease speech's ending in the Oval Office the night before delivery. That speech, Ben argues, literally spoke America into its postwar purpose — language now embedded in the UN Charter. Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech gets a similarly deep analysis: framed as a constituent-service speech to the National Association of Evangelicals, it fused abortion politics, anti-bureaucracy sentiment, and anti-communism into a single coalition document, with the Soviet 'evil' defined through a Christian lens. Tommy and Ben close by reflecting on how both speeches — from opposite sides of the political spectrum — expressed commitments to values that are entirely absent from Trump's transactional foreign policy.
Claims made here
The Four Freedoms articulated by FDR are embedded in the UN Charter.
FDR first listed what became the Four Freedoms at a Hyde Park press conference — almost offhandedly. A reporter suggested 'freedom from want,' he agreed, and it vanished until the stakes were highest. That ending, dictated in the Oval Office the night before his State of the Union, became the moral framework of WWII and the UN Charter.
FDR's 1941 State of the Union introduced the Four Freedoms — speech, worship, freedom from want, and freedom from fear — which became the moral foundation of the postwar international order.
FDR's Four Freedoms speech became the basis for the entire postwar international order and its language is embedded in the UN Charter.
Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech wasn't really about the Soviet Union — it was a coalition maintenance document. The first two-thirds were red meat for evangelicals on abortion and school prayer. The pivot to communism framed the Soviets as godless — making them the same enemy as secular bureaucrats at home.
Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech to the National Association of Evangelicals fused Christian conservatism, anti-communism, and small government ideology into one defining address.
No indexed bits in this chapter.
This episode
Former Director of National Intelligence who resigned amid reports she was forced out by the White House, discussed at length for her contradictory tenure.
Israeli Prime Minister who has been escalating military operations in Lebanon despite ceasefire talks, complicating Iran deal negotiations before his likely September election.
Chinese President discussed in relation to Trump's pausing of Taiwan arms sales and the strategic window it may create for Chinese action against Taiwan.
Subject of a chapter in Ben Rhodes's book; his 1941 Four Freedoms State of the Union address is analyzed as the speech that gave America its postwar moral purpose.
The new Pope who released a 42,300-word encyclical on artificial intelligence covering ethics, war, democracy, and humanity's future.
Subject of a chapter in Ben Rhodes's book; his 1983 Evil Empire speech to the National Association of Evangelicals is analyzed as a coalition-building address fusing Christian conservatism and anti-communism.
Former Iranian president whom the US and Israel reportedly planned to install as Iran's post-war leader via targeted airstrikes, a plan described by both hosts as completely insane.
US Vice President described as running around the world lecturing countries against slowing down AI development, and backed by Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen.
Democratic senator mentioned as one of the few Democrats beginning to offer an alternative political narrative to Trump's, described approvingly by both hosts.
Secretary of State described by Ben Rhodes as a 'noted neocon' who remains in the national security apparatus after anti-interventionist figures like Gabbard departed.
US foreign aid agency dismantled by Trump and Musk, discussed as critical to Ebola outbreak response that can no longer be mounted effectively.
Classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern; the US withdrew from WHO, hampering coordinated response.
AI company whose conflict with the Pentagon over military use of its technology was cited in the same week as Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical; its founder Chris Olah attended the Vatican event.
Central subject of the episode: ongoing war, ceasefire negotiations, nuclear deal discussions, and the failed regime-change planning all revolve around Iran.
Subject of a paused $14 billion US arms sale and a $30 billion weapons backlog, discussed as potentially vulnerable to Chinese action if US commitment weakens.
Site of the major Ebola outbreak classified as a public health emergency of international concern, complicated by active conflict and limited health infrastructure.
Site of ongoing Israeli military operations where Netanyahu is escalating despite nominal ceasefire, complicating Iran deal negotiations.
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This episode
Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
Pope Leo XIV's encyclical on artificial intelligence is 42,300 words long.
Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical was released on the 135th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical on the Industrial Revolution.
The US paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan, citing potential munitions needs related to the Iran war.
There is a nearly $30 billion backlog of US weapons deliveries already owed to Taiwan.
The Ebola outbreak in the DRC has produced more than 900 suspected cases and 222 deaths.
The WHO classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern.
The International Rescue Committee said the DRC Ebola outbreak could become the deadliest on record without urgent international action.
There is no approved vaccine or effective treatment for the specific strain of Ebola causing the current DRC outbreak.
The US currently lacks a confirmed ambassador in over 100 countries.
The New York Times reported that the US and Israel planned to install Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's post-war leader using targeted airstrikes.
Israel hit more than 70 targets in Lebanon over a few days leading up to the episode's recording.
Israeli forces are holding up to 6 miles of territory inside Lebanon.
Iran reportedly wants $24 billion in unfrozen assets as part of any ceasefire or peace deal.
Rishi Sunak was the only world leader to hold an AI safety summit during his tenure as UK Prime Minister.
The Four Freedoms articulated by FDR are embedded in the UN Charter.
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