Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse

Pope Leo XIV just dropped a 42,000-word warning that AI is being weaponized for domination and war — and almost nobody in power is listening.

May 27, 2026 1:21:34 Difficulty: Intermediate Played

TL;DR

Tommy Vietor and Ben Rhodes break down a chaotic week in global affairs: the Iran ceasefire that never was, Tulsi Gabbard's messy exit as DNI, Pope Leo XIV's sweeping 42,000-word encyclical on AI's dangers to humanity and democracy, Trump's quiet pause of a $14 billion Taiwan arms sale, a rapidly worsening Ebola outbreak in the DRC, and Ben's new book on 15 defining speeches in American history. Key takeaway: the dismantling of USAID and US withdrawal from the WHO has left America dangerously unprepared for exactly the kind of global health emergency now unfolding in Congo.

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Tommy Vietor and Ben Rhodes cover the Iran ceasefire chaos, Tulsi Gabbard's DNI resignation, Pope Leo XIV's sweeping AI encyclical, Trump's Taiwan arms sale pause, the worsening DRC Ebola outbreak, and Ben's new book All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches.

Chapter list
  • The episode opens with a full block of sponsor and promotional content. Ridge promotes its 5-in-1 travel power bank ahead of Father's Day, offering up to 40% off. A BBC Studios and 99% Invisible collaboration — 'A History of the United States in 100 Objects' — is plugged as a companion listen. Ozempic advertises its new pill-form semaglutide, and OnDeck pitches small business loans up to $400,000. The block sets the commercial tone before Tommy Vietor and Ben Rhodes take over.

  • Tommy opens with congratulations to Ben, who is in New York for his book launch and happened to watch the Knicks clinch their NBA Finals berth live. The banter is warm and celebratory, with Ben joking about potential looting. The tone shifts slightly when Tommy raises Trump's third visit to Walter Reed this year, wondering aloud whether something serious is being concealed. Ben notes that in eight years at the White House he never needed to go to Walter Reed for routine care, lending the observation some credibility without tipping into conspiracy. It's a brief detour that captures the ambient uncertainty around Trump's health before the show moves into its main material.

  • Tommy lays out a packed episode agenda covering Iran's chaotic ceasefire negotiations, Tulsi Gabbard's resignation as DNI, Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical, Trump's Taiwan arms sale pause, the worsening Ebola outbreak, and a closing interview with Ben about his book. Ben confirms All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches is available immediately, announces his book tour — Politics and Prose in DC, Books and Books in Miami, Parnassus in Nashville, and Cleveland Public Library — and urges listeners to buy copies. The segment also includes a brief ad for Crooked Media's Friend of the Pod subscription at $9.99/month.

  • Tommy maps the territory of one of the most confusing diplomatic weekends in recent memory. Trump declared the Iran deal '95% done,' then said he was 'in no rush,' then US forces conducted self-defense strikes on Iranian boats mining the Strait. The outline of a potential deal emerges: unfreezing up to $24 billion in Iranian assets, opening the Strait of Hormuz, US troop withdrawal from Iran's vicinity, and a 30–60 day window to negotiate nuclear terms — essentially kicking the hardest problems into the future. The obstacles stack up fast: unresolved disagreement over Iran's HEU stockpile, Israel's intensifying strikes on 70+ targets in Lebanon, Netanyahu's political incentives to keep the war going before a likely September election, Trump's bizarre demand that all countries 'mandatorily' join the Abraham Accords, no mention of Iranian ballistic missile caps, and the entire hawkish ecosystem — FDD, Lindsey Graham, Scott Jennings — now attacking Trump from the right for seeking an end to the war they helped start.

  • Ben unpacks the structural logic of the Iran impasse. Trump keeps spinning a best-case deal on Truth Social before the agreement is finalized, causing the IRGC to yank back its negotiators, then scrambling to reassemble. The real hangup is sequencing: Trump wants Iran to open the Strait before receiving money, but Iran holds all the leverage and won't move first. Ben argues that the eventual deal will be JCPOA lite — Iran ships HEU out, accepts inspections, gets money in tranches — because Trump has no alternative. The Netanyahu dimension is equally alarming: facing an election with no war objectives met, Netanyahu cannot afford to look like he lost, which means he may try to heat up Gaza or the West Bank once the Iran front goes quiet. Tommy and Ben also react with disbelief to NYT reporting, attributed to Ronan Bergman, that the US-Israel plan was to install Ahmadinejad — who crushed the 2009 Green Movement — as Iran's post-war leader via targeted airstrikes.

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  • The segment opens with Gabbard's resignation letter citing her husband's rare bone cancer — genuinely awful circumstances — followed immediately by White House sources telling Reuters she was actually pushed out in April. A montage plays of Gabbard's greatest contradictions: her nuclear annihilation warning video, her Fulton County ballot-counting appearance, accusing Obama of treason during the Epstein files panic, then humiliating herself by walking back her own intelligence assessment that Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Ben argues the real significance of her tenure is what it signals about Trump's coalition: she and Joe Kent were appointed as signals to anti-interventionist MAGA that Trump would rein in the IC. Having now fired both, the apparatus is entirely neocon — Rubio, Hegseth, Ratcliffe. The acting DNI, Aaron Lucas, is Grenell's former chief of staff. Ben's verdict: Gabbard did significant harm to IC functionality by driving out career analysts who delivered unwelcome assessments, while failing to deliver on any of her stated policy objectives.

  • Tommy walks through the highlights of a genuinely remarkable document: the Pope's insistence that AI is not alive, does not have a conscience, and cannot bear moral responsibility; his expansive definition of 'disarming' AI to include economic and cognitive competition, not just military applications; his warning that AI lowers the threshold for violence by making war faster and more impersonal; and his call for shared global ethical standards backed by social justice frameworks. The encyclical drops the same week as Anthropic's fight with the Pentagon over military use, and the same week the Trump administration apparently considered an AI executive order before industry lobbyists got it killed. Ben connects this to the broader collapse of international governance: in normal times, AI would be the subject of UN summits and global standards processes. Instead, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the US — home to most of the major AI companies — is the least helpful actor in the conversation. The Pope, Ben argues, stepped into a vacuum no one else would fill, and the public appetite for moral leadership on AI is enormous. The segment closes with both hosts calling for Democrats to get where the Pope is on this issue.

  • The previous week's Trump-Xi meeting produced almost nothing visible in return for significant US concessions. Trump had already described Taiwan arms sales as a 'negotiating chip,' and now the acting Navy Secretary confirmed the $14 billion pause in Senate testimony — while simultaneously insisting the US had plenty of munitions, creating an obvious logical contradiction. Reuters reported the paused package includes air defense interceptors and other high-priority items Taiwan needs. Ben places this in the context of the Taiwan Relations Act: the 1979 law was designed precisely to deter a Chinese invasion by ensuring Taiwan could defend itself, making war too costly for Beijing. If Xi Jinping can extract progressive pauses across three more Trump-Xi meetings this year — APEC, G20, Washington — the cumulative effect could be to effectively void the Act without a single vote in Congress. Ben's nightmare scenario: Xi concludes that 2027–2028 is his strategic window, with Taiwan underarmed and Trump signaling he won't defend it. A Financial Times report that the hottest issue in the Xi-Trump meeting was Japanese remilitarization suggests further regional volatility ahead.

  • Tommy lays out five compounding factors making this outbreak uniquely dangerous: it was caught late; there is no vaccine or treatment for this particular strain; the outbreak is centered in an active conflict zone with minimal health infrastructure; traditional funeral customs involving contact with corpses accelerate transmission; and local distrust of foreign healthcare workers creates violent resistance. Then the sixth factor: Trump has dismantled USAID, withdrawn from the WHO, and left the US without ambassadors in over 100 countries, eliminating the entire diplomatic and logistical architecture needed for a coordinated international response. Ben draws a direct contrast with 2014, when the Obama administration used USAID, the WHO, and US military logistics to build field hospitals, coordinate international contributions, and contain an exponentially spreading outbreak. That playbook no longer exists. The segment ends on a grim note: with no permanent CDC director, no permanent NIAID head, and RFK Jr. catching snakes on Dr. Oz's porch, public health leadership is essentially non-existent.

  • Tommy warns Ben he's about to see a clip he has no context for and asks him to guess what's happening. Ben watches in confusion before identifying a person pulling a car while on fire. Tommy reveals the subject: John Stevenson of West Yorkshire, who combined his previous feats of car-pulling with his testicles and car-pulling while on fire into a single stunt using his penis, in the name of prostate cancer awareness and anti-bullying advocacy. Stevenson's own explanation — 'it's just hanging about, so I thought I'd put it to work' — becomes the episode's unlikely comedy peak. Ben wonders if Labour has found its next prime minister.

  • Tommy delivers an ad for Haya Health, a pediatric vitamin company offering 50% off at hiyahealth.com/world, emphasizing its zero-sugar, zero-additive formula and new Kids Daily Green powder. The block also includes an ad for ThirdLove bras offering $15 off with code PODCAST15, and a cross-promo for Hysteria, Crooked Media's podcast hosted by Erin Ryan and Alyssa Mastromonaco for politically engaged women.

  • The conversation opens with Tommy asking whether political speeches still matter in the age of algorithmic social media and Trump's stream-of-consciousness rally style. Ben argues that the speech remains the 'trunk of the tree' from which all other communications grow — but that Democrats have failed since Obama to provide an alternative national story, not just better policy arguments. He traces the arc of American speechmaking: from Franklin's carefully crafted newspaper-ready arguments to Douglass's celebrity speaking tours, from FDR's intimate radio addresses to Kennedy's televised spectacle, to today's clip-optimized fragments. Ben recounts the remarkable origin story of FDR's Four Freedoms: first mentioned almost offhandedly at a Hyde Park press conference, with 'freedom from want' suggested by a reporter on the spot, then dormant until FDR dictated the Lend-Lease speech's ending in the Oval Office the night before delivery. That speech, Ben argues, literally spoke America into its postwar purpose — language now embedded in the UN Charter. Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech gets a similarly deep analysis: framed as a constituent-service speech to the National Association of Evangelicals, it fused abortion politics, anti-bureaucracy sentiment, and anti-communism into a single coalition document, with the Soviet 'evil' defined through a Christian lens. Tommy and Ben close by reflecting on how both speeches — from opposite sides of the political spectrum — expressed commitments to values that are entirely absent from Trump's transactional foreign policy.

  • Tommy closes with congratulations to Ben on the book and encourages listeners to buy copies for friends and enemies alike. He then credits the full production team: Ilona Minkowski, Michael Goldsmith, and Ninesha Banerjee as producers, with Matt DeGroat, Ben Heathcote, Jordan Kanter, Kenny Moffett, David Toles, and Ryan listed as team members. The show notes its WGA East union affiliation. Closing ads for Hysteria and Rakuten's travel cash-back program round out the episode.

Encyclical
A formal letter issued by the Pope to the Catholic Church (and often addressed to the wider world) on a major doctrinal or social issue; Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical is one of the most significant in decades.
IRGC
Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps — Iran's elite military and intelligence force, separate from the regular army, that controls much of Iran's strategic military assets and foreign proxy networks.
JCPOA
Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — the 2015 Iran nuclear deal that capped Iran's uranium enrichment in exchange for sanctions relief; Trump withdrew from it in 2018.
HEU
Highly Enriched Uranium — uranium enriched to 90%+ purity, suitable for nuclear weapons; Iran's stockpile of HEU is a central sticking point in ceasefire negotiations.
IAEA
International Atomic Energy Agency — the UN body responsible for verifying nuclear non-proliferation commitments; discussed as a potential inspector of Iran's uranium stockpile.
Taiwan Relations Act
A 1979 US law passed after the US formally recognized the People's Republic of China, committing the US to help Taiwan defend itself; the legal foundation for US arms sales to Taiwan.
Lend-Lease
FDR's 1941 program that supplied Allied nations — primarily Britain and later the Soviet Union — with war materiel on credit, bypassing congressional restrictions on direct aid.
FDD
Foundation for Defense of Democracies — a hawkish Washington think tank that has pushed for a hard line on Iran; cited as part of the lobby pressuring Trump against any Iran deal.
APEC
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation — an annual summit of Pacific Rim nations' leaders; mentioned as one of three upcoming meetings between Trump and Xi Jinping.
DNI
Director of National Intelligence — the cabinet-level official who oversees and coordinates the US intelligence community; the position Tulsi Gabbard resigned from.
NCTC
National Counterterrorism Center — the primary US government organization for integrating and analyzing terrorism intelligence; Joe Kent was appointed to lead it.
Ring vaccination
A containment strategy for infectious disease outbreaks where all people potentially exposed to a case are vaccinated in a 'ring' around that case to stop further spread; a key tool in Ebola response but unavailable for this strain.
Tren de Aragua
A Venezuelan criminal gang whose alleged ties to the Maduro government were used by the Trump administration to justify immigration enforcement actions; Gabbard fired officials who challenged that assessment.
Appeasement
In foreign policy, the strategy of making concessions to an aggressive power to avoid conflict; Reagan's Evil Empire speech attacked critics of his Soviet policy by branding arms control advocates as appeasers.
Whiplash
Used figuratively here to describe the disorienting speed of contradictory policy reversals — as in Gabbard's rapid pivot from saying Iran had no nuclear weapon to endorsing the war to destroy its nuclear program.
Oeuvre
The body of work of a writer, artist, or, here used satirically, a political figure; Tommy Vietor uses it ironically to describe Tulsi Gabbard's contradictory record as DNI.
Perfunctory
Carried out with minimal effort or care; used implicitly in the context of Biden's values-based rhetoric, which Rhodes said did not hang together as a coherent story.
Reaganite
Relating to the political philosophy of Ronald Reagan, typically combining Christian conservatism, anti-communism, free-market economics, and national security hawkishness.
Isolationism
A foreign policy doctrine of avoiding entanglement in other nations' affairs; FDR's Four Freedoms speech was explicitly designed to counter the isolationist movement opposing US support for Allied nations against Hitler.
Arsenal of democracy
FDR's phrase for the US industrial mobilization to supply Allied nations with weapons and materiel before entering WWII directly; referenced in discussing the Lend-Lease chapter of Ben Rhodes's book.

Chapter 3 · 05:05

Episode Roadmap & Book Announcement

Tommy lays out a packed episode agenda covering Iran's chaotic ceasefire negotiations, Tulsi Gabbard's resignation as DNI, Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical, Trump's Taiwan arms sale pause, the worsening Ebola outbreak, and a closing interview with Ben about his book. Ben confirms All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches is available immediately, announces his book tour — Politics and Prose in DC, Books and Books in Miami, Parnassus in Nashville, and Cleveland Public Library — and urges listeners to buy copies. The segment also includes a brief ad for Crooked Media's Friend of the Pod subscription at $9.99/month.

Arts
Data point 4 years

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

Ben Rhodes spent four years writing All We Say: The Battle for American Identity, a History in 15 Speeches.

Chapter 4 · 08:04

Iran Ceasefire Chaos: The Deal That Wasn't

Tommy maps the territory of one of the most confusing diplomatic weekends in recent memory. Trump declared the Iran deal '95% done,' then said he was 'in no rush,' then US forces conducted self-defense strikes on Iranian boats mining the Strait. The outline of a potential deal emerges: unfreezing up to $24 billion in Iranian assets, opening the Strait of Hormuz, US troop withdrawal from Iran's vicinity, and a 30–60 day window to negotiate nuclear terms — essentially kicking the hardest problems into the future. The obstacles stack up fast: unresolved disagreement over Iran's HEU stockpile, Israel's intensifying strikes on 70+ targets in Lebanon, Netanyahu's political incentives to keep the war going before a likely September election, Trump's bizarre demand that all countries 'mandatorily' join the Abraham Accords, no mention of Iranian ballistic missile caps, and the entire hawkish ecosystem — FDD, Lindsey Graham, Scott Jennings — now attacking Trump from the right for seeking an end to the war they helped start.

Claims made here

Iran reportedly wants $24 billion in unfrozen assets as part of any ceasefire or peace deal.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Israel hit more than 70 targets in Lebanon over a few days leading up to the episode's recording.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

News
The Iran Deal That Wasn't: Trump's Weekend of Chaos

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 News

Trump spent a weekend teasing an imminent Iran ceasefire deal, declaring it '95% done' — then US airstrikes on Iranian boats laid mines by Tuesday morning. The core problem: Trump won't give Iran money upfront to open the Strait, but Iran has all the leverage and won't move first.

News
Data point $24B

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

As part of any ceasefire deal, Iran reportedly wants $24 billion in frozen assets unfrozen by the United States.

News
Data point 70+

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

Israel hit more than 70 targets in Lebanon over a few days, with Netanyahu declaring they were pressing harder rather than winding down.

News
Ben Rhodes: Trump Has No Cards Left on Iran

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 News

Iran has all the leverage, Trump has spent hundreds of billions and achieved nothing, and Netanyahu is escalating in Lebanon to avoid admitting defeat before his election. The deal is JCPOA lite or nothing — and no amount of Truth Social spin changes that math.

Chapter 5 · 14:08

Ben Rhodes: Trump's Iran Dead End & the Lebanon Trap

Ben unpacks the structural logic of the Iran impasse. Trump keeps spinning a best-case deal on Truth Social before the agreement is finalized, causing the IRGC to yank back its negotiators, then scrambling to reassemble. The real hangup is sequencing: Trump wants Iran to open the Strait before receiving money, but Iran holds all the leverage and won't move first. Ben argues that the eventual deal will be JCPOA lite — Iran ships HEU out, accepts inspections, gets money in tranches — because Trump has no alternative. The Netanyahu dimension is equally alarming: facing an election with no war objectives met, Netanyahu cannot afford to look like he lost, which means he may try to heat up Gaza or the West Bank once the Iran front goes quiet. Tommy and Ben also react with disbelief to NYT reporting, attributed to Ronan Bergman, that the US-Israel plan was to install Ahmadinejad — who crushed the 2009 Green Movement — as Iran's post-war leader via targeted airstrikes.

Claims made here

The New York Times reported that the US and Israel planned to install Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's post-war leader using targeted airstrikes.

Tommy Vietor The New York Times, reporting by Ronan Bergman

Israeli forces are holding up to 6 miles of territory inside Lebanon.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Chapter 7 · 26:10

Tulsi Gabbard's DNI Exit: A Legacy of Betrayal

The segment opens with Gabbard's resignation letter citing her husband's rare bone cancer — genuinely awful circumstances — followed immediately by White House sources telling Reuters she was actually pushed out in April. A montage plays of Gabbard's greatest contradictions: her nuclear annihilation warning video, her Fulton County ballot-counting appearance, accusing Obama of treason during the Epstein files panic, then humiliating herself by walking back her own intelligence assessment that Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Ben argues the real significance of her tenure is what it signals about Trump's coalition: she and Joe Kent were appointed as signals to anti-interventionist MAGA that Trump would rein in the IC. Having now fired both, the apparatus is entirely neocon — Rubio, Hegseth, Ratcliffe. The acting DNI, Aaron Lucas, is Grenell's former chief of staff. Ben's verdict: Gabbard did significant harm to IC functionality by driving out career analysts who delivered unwelcome assessments, while failing to deliver on any of her stated policy objectives.

Government
Tulsi Gabbard's DNI Legacy: Betraying Everything She Stood For

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Government

Tulsi Gabbard was appointed DNI as a signal to anti-interventionist MAGA that Trump would rein in the intelligence community. She then fired officials for honest assessments, covered for Trump's lies about Iran's nuclear threat, and ended up defending a war she built her career opposing. She leaves having achieved nothing.

Chapter 8 · 34:23

Pope Leo XIV's AI Encyclical: A Moral Reckoning

Tommy walks through the highlights of a genuinely remarkable document: the Pope's insistence that AI is not alive, does not have a conscience, and cannot bear moral responsibility; his expansive definition of 'disarming' AI to include economic and cognitive competition, not just military applications; his warning that AI lowers the threshold for violence by making war faster and more impersonal; and his call for shared global ethical standards backed by social justice frameworks. The encyclical drops the same week as Anthropic's fight with the Pentagon over military use, and the same week the Trump administration apparently considered an AI executive order before industry lobbyists got it killed. Ben connects this to the broader collapse of international governance: in normal times, AI would be the subject of UN summits and global standards processes. Instead, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the US — home to most of the major AI companies — is the least helpful actor in the conversation. The Pope, Ben argues, stepped into a vacuum no one else would fill, and the public appetite for moral leadership on AI is enormous. The segment closes with both hosts calling for Democrats to get where the Pope is on this issue.

Claims made here

Pope Leo XIV's encyclical on artificial intelligence is 42,300 words long.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical was released on the 135th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical on the Industrial Revolution.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Rishi Sunak was the only world leader to hold an AI safety summit during his tenure as UK Prime Minister.

Ben Rhodes no source cited

Technology
Pope Leo XIV's AI Warning: Disarm the Algorithms

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Technology

Pope Leo XIV released a 42,300-word encyclical on AI — addressing its impact on war, democracy, labor, and human identity. The Pope's core argument: AI must be 'disarmed' not just militarily but economically and cognitively, freed from the race for dominance that is degrading humanity.

Technology
Data point 42,300

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

Pope Leo XIV released a 42,300-word encyclical on artificial intelligence covering ethics, war, democracy, and humanity's future.

Technology
The AI Governance Vacuum: Why the Pope Had to Step In

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Technology

Fifteen years ago, unregulated AI transforming warfare and democracy would have triggered global summits and UN frameworks. Today, the US is an arsonist in that conversation, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the only person speaking with moral authority is the Pope.

Chapter 9 · 46:20

Trump's Taiwan Sellout: $14B Arms Sale Paused

The previous week's Trump-Xi meeting produced almost nothing visible in return for significant US concessions. Trump had already described Taiwan arms sales as a 'negotiating chip,' and now the acting Navy Secretary confirmed the $14 billion pause in Senate testimony — while simultaneously insisting the US had plenty of munitions, creating an obvious logical contradiction. Reuters reported the paused package includes air defense interceptors and other high-priority items Taiwan needs. Ben places this in the context of the Taiwan Relations Act: the 1979 law was designed precisely to deter a Chinese invasion by ensuring Taiwan could defend itself, making war too costly for Beijing. If Xi Jinping can extract progressive pauses across three more Trump-Xi meetings this year — APEC, G20, Washington — the cumulative effect could be to effectively void the Act without a single vote in Congress. Ben's nightmare scenario: Xi concludes that 2027–2028 is his strategic window, with Taiwan underarmed and Trump signaling he won't defend it. A Financial Times report that the hottest issue in the Xi-Trump meeting was Japanese remilitarization suggests further regional volatility ahead.

Claims made here

The US paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan, citing potential munitions needs related to the Iran war.

Tommy Vietor Trump's acting Secretary of the Navy testimony to the US Senate

There is a nearly $30 billion backlog of US weapons deliveries already owed to Taiwan.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

News
Data point $14B

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 News

Trump's acting Navy Secretary confirmed the US paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan — citing potential munitions needs from the Iran war. This on top of a $30 billion existing weapons backlog. Ben Rhodes warns this signals to Xi Jinping that 2027-2028 is his window to move.

Government
Data point $14B

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

Trump's acting Secretary of the Navy confirmed the US had paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan, citing potential munitions needs from the Iran war.

Government
Data point $30B

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

The $14B pause comes on top of a nearly $30 billion existing backlog of US weapons deliveries already owed to Taiwan.

Chapter 10 · 54:10

Ebola Outbreak in the DRC: A Perfect Storm

Tommy lays out five compounding factors making this outbreak uniquely dangerous: it was caught late; there is no vaccine or treatment for this particular strain; the outbreak is centered in an active conflict zone with minimal health infrastructure; traditional funeral customs involving contact with corpses accelerate transmission; and local distrust of foreign healthcare workers creates violent resistance. Then the sixth factor: Trump has dismantled USAID, withdrawn from the WHO, and left the US without ambassadors in over 100 countries, eliminating the entire diplomatic and logistical architecture needed for a coordinated international response. Ben draws a direct contrast with 2014, when the Obama administration used USAID, the WHO, and US military logistics to build field hospitals, coordinate international contributions, and contain an exponentially spreading outbreak. That playbook no longer exists. The segment ends on a grim note: with no permanent CDC director, no permanent NIAID head, and RFK Jr. catching snakes on Dr. Oz's porch, public health leadership is essentially non-existent.

Claims made here

The WHO classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern.

Tommy Vietor World Health Organization

The International Rescue Committee said the DRC Ebola outbreak could become the deadliest on record without urgent international action.

Tommy Vietor International Rescue Committee

The Ebola outbreak in the DRC has produced more than 900 suspected cases and 222 deaths.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

There is no approved vaccine or effective treatment for the specific strain of Ebola causing the current DRC outbreak.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

The US currently lacks a confirmed ambassador in over 100 countries.

Ben Rhodes no source cited

Health & Fitness
The Ebola Outbreak Meeting the Capabilities Trump Destroyed

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Health & Fitness

The DRC Ebola outbreak is a perfect storm: caught late, no vaccine for this strain, active conflict zone, and every US tool for responding — USAID, WHO coordination, diplomatic infrastructure — has been deliberately dismantled. Ben Rhodes, who lived through 2014 Ebola, says there's no credible blueprint for response.

Health & Fitness
Data point 222

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

The WHO classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern, with over 900 suspected cases and 222 deaths.

Government
Data point 100+

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

Ben Rhodes noted that the US currently lacks ambassadors in over 100 countries, severely limiting the diplomacy needed to coordinate a global Ebola response.

Chapter 11 · 1:01:30

Weird News: John Stevenson Pulls a Car With His Flaming Penis

Tommy warns Ben he's about to see a clip he has no context for and asks him to guess what's happening. Ben watches in confusion before identifying a person pulling a car while on fire. Tommy reveals the subject: John Stevenson of West Yorkshire, who combined his previous feats of car-pulling with his testicles and car-pulling while on fire into a single stunt using his penis, in the name of prostate cancer awareness and anti-bullying advocacy. Stevenson's own explanation — 'it's just hanging about, so I thought I'd put it to work' — becomes the episode's unlikely comedy peak. Ben wonders if Labour has found its next prime minister.

Chapter 12 · 1:06:40

Mid-Episode Sponsor Block 2

Tommy delivers an ad for Haya Health, a pediatric vitamin company offering 50% off at hiyahealth.com/world, emphasizing its zero-sugar, zero-additive formula and new Kids Daily Green powder. The block also includes an ad for ThirdLove bras offering $15 off with code PODCAST15, and a cross-promo for Hysteria, Crooked Media's podcast hosted by Erin Ryan and Alyssa Mastromonaco for politically engaged women.

Society & Culture
What American Politics Is Missing: A New Story

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Society & Culture

Ben Rhodes argues that since Obama, no Democrat has provided a coherent alternative story to Trump's — not just better policy, but a narrative about where the country is going and why it matters. FDR and Reagan both did it in their time. The Four Freedoms were new. The Evil Empire was new. Democrats need something new too.

Chapter 13 · 1:07:40

Ben's Book Deep Dive: All We Say & the Power of Speeches

The conversation opens with Tommy asking whether political speeches still matter in the age of algorithmic social media and Trump's stream-of-consciousness rally style. Ben argues that the speech remains the 'trunk of the tree' from which all other communications grow — but that Democrats have failed since Obama to provide an alternative national story, not just better policy arguments. He traces the arc of American speechmaking: from Franklin's carefully crafted newspaper-ready arguments to Douglass's celebrity speaking tours, from FDR's intimate radio addresses to Kennedy's televised spectacle, to today's clip-optimized fragments. Ben recounts the remarkable origin story of FDR's Four Freedoms: first mentioned almost offhandedly at a Hyde Park press conference, with 'freedom from want' suggested by a reporter on the spot, then dormant until FDR dictated the Lend-Lease speech's ending in the Oval Office the night before delivery. That speech, Ben argues, literally spoke America into its postwar purpose — language now embedded in the UN Charter. Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech gets a similarly deep analysis: framed as a constituent-service speech to the National Association of Evangelicals, it fused abortion politics, anti-bureaucracy sentiment, and anti-communism into a single coalition document, with the Soviet 'evil' defined through a Christian lens. Tommy and Ben close by reflecting on how both speeches — from opposite sides of the political spectrum — expressed commitments to values that are entirely absent from Trump's transactional foreign policy.

Claims made here

The Four Freedoms articulated by FDR are embedded in the UN Charter.

Ben Rhodes no source cited

History
FDR's Four Freedoms: How a Press Conference Became World History

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 History

FDR first listed what became the Four Freedoms at a Hyde Park press conference — almost offhandedly. A reporter suggested 'freedom from want,' he agreed, and it vanished until the stakes were highest. That ending, dictated in the Oval Office the night before his State of the Union, became the moral framework of WWII and the UN Charter.

History
Reagan's Evil Empire Speech: One Speech, Three Coalitions

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 History

Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech wasn't really about the Soviet Union — it was a coalition maintenance document. The first two-thirds were red meat for evangelicals on abortion and school prayer. The pivot to communism framed the Soviets as godless — making them the same enemy as secular bureaucrats at home.

History
Data point 1983

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026

Reagan's 1983 Evil Empire speech to the National Association of Evangelicals fused Christian conservatism, anti-communism, and small government ideology into one defining address.

No indexed bits in this chapter.

Show stoppers

Technology
The AI Governance Vacuum: Why the Pope Had to Step In

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Technology

Fifteen years ago, unregulated AI transforming warfare and democracy would have triggered global summits and UN frameworks. Today, the US is an arsonist in that conversation, JD Vance is lecturing the world against slowing down, and the only person speaking with moral authority is the Pope.

Health & Fitness
The Ebola Outbreak Meeting the Capabilities Trump Destroyed

Pope Warns of AI Apocalypse · May 27, 2026 Health & Fitness

The DRC Ebola outbreak is a perfect storm: caught late, no vaccine for this strain, active conflict zone, and every US tool for responding — USAID, WHO coordination, diplomatic infrastructure — has been deliberately dismantled. Ben Rhodes, who lived through 2014 Ebola, says there's no credible blueprint for response.

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Pope Leo XIV's encyclical on artificial intelligence is 42,300 words long.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical was released on the 135th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical on the Industrial Revolution.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

The US paused a $14 billion arms sale to Taiwan, citing potential munitions needs related to the Iran war.

Tommy Vietor Trump's acting Secretary of the Navy testimony to the US Senate

There is a nearly $30 billion backlog of US weapons deliveries already owed to Taiwan.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

The Ebola outbreak in the DRC has produced more than 900 suspected cases and 222 deaths.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

The WHO classified the DRC Ebola outbreak as a public health emergency of international concern.

Tommy Vietor World Health Organization

The International Rescue Committee said the DRC Ebola outbreak could become the deadliest on record without urgent international action.

Tommy Vietor International Rescue Committee

There is no approved vaccine or effective treatment for the specific strain of Ebola causing the current DRC outbreak.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

The US currently lacks a confirmed ambassador in over 100 countries.

Ben Rhodes no source cited

The New York Times reported that the US and Israel planned to install Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's post-war leader using targeted airstrikes.

Tommy Vietor The New York Times, reporting by Ronan Bergman

Israel hit more than 70 targets in Lebanon over a few days leading up to the episode's recording.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Israeli forces are holding up to 6 miles of territory inside Lebanon.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Iran reportedly wants $24 billion in unfrozen assets as part of any ceasefire or peace deal.

Tommy Vietor no source cited

Rishi Sunak was the only world leader to hold an AI safety summit during his tenure as UK Prime Minister.

Ben Rhodes no source cited

The Four Freedoms articulated by FDR are embedded in the UN Charter.

Ben Rhodes no source cited