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Rachel Abrams sets the scene, noting that while the Trump administration's battles with higher education over antisemitism and campus culture have dominated headlines, a set of quieter but potentially more consequential changes took effect on July 1, 2026. She brings in Ron Lieber, The New York Times' personal finance columnist, to unpack what those changes mean for families. Lieber opens with the staggering scale of the problem: $1.7 trillion in outstanding student loan debt, surpassing both credit card and auto loan totals. He explains that after a pandemic-era pause in repayments stretched on for years, the Trump administration has now moved on two fronts — tightening repayment terms for existing borrowers and, more significantly, trying to reduce the volume of new loans issued in the first place. The episode's central question is introduced: can you fix an overpriced higher education system by giving families less money to spend on it?

Lieber walks through the two main policy changes in concrete detail. The first is a new set of caps on federal loans. Parents who previously could borrow the full cost of attendance — which at some schools exceeds $100,000 per year — are now capped at $20,000 annually and $65,000 in total through the parent PLUS loan program. For graduate students borrowing for themselves, the limits depend on the program: $20,500/year and $100,000 aggregate for standard non-professional master's programs, and $50,000/year with a $200,000 total cap for professional programs in fields like law, medicine, dentistry, and business. Lieber notes ongoing litigation over which programs qualify as 'professional.' The administration's stated rationale is counterintuitive but internally coherent: by limiting how much families can borrow, the government hopes to pressure schools into lowering tuition to match what students can actually pay. ^{[1] — Ron Lieber "Starting July 1, 2026, parents are capped at $20,000/year and $65,000 total in federal PLUS loans — less than a single year's tuition at ma…" 05:01 Play}

The second plank of the new policy is an earnings test tied directly to outcomes. For undergraduate programs, alumni must earn more on average than same-state high school graduates aged 25–34, measured 4 years after graduation. Graduate programs face a parallel test: alumni must out-earn the median salary for bachelor's degree holders in the same age group. If a program fails this test in 2 out of 3 consecutive years, it loses access to federal student loans entirely — meaning students who want to enroll must find funding elsewhere. Ron Lieber, who has analyzed a dataset of more than 30,000 undergraduate majors, says religion degrees and fine arts programs at many schools are likely to fail. But he emphasizes that no consequences will materialize for at least 3 years, because of the rolling 2-of-3 structure. The underlying logic is blunt: if a degree doesn't put you ahead of a high school diploma in the labor market, what exactly has the federal government been subsidizing? ^{[1] — Ron Lieber "Federal loans will be cut off from undergraduate programs whose graduates don't out-earn same-state high school graduates, measured 4 years…" 10:37 Play}

Rachel Abrams asks the obvious question: how much of this is politics? Lieber gives a characteristically wry answer — 'Let's call it 23% political' — before pointing to what he sees as genuine, cross-party frustration with a system that has allowed universities to charge whatever families could borrow on the government's tab. The fact that the Education Department's official explainer specifically calls out USC in Los Angeles and NYU in New York City — two schools in solidly Democratic enclaves — is, Lieber suggests, unlikely to be a coincidence. But he insists there is also real taxpayer anger driving this: the student loan program represents public money, and there is a growing constituency on both sides of the aisle that believes the federal government should be doing more to control what colleges charge. ^{[1] — Ron Lieber "The Trump administration's new rules specifically call out NYU and USC — two schools in major blue cities — in the official Education Depar…" 09:40 Play}

To understand why the system is so broken, Rachel Abrams asks Lieber to rewind the clock. In 1980, the federal government began backing student loans because a growing number of families couldn't cover the last few thousand dollars of annual tuition, room, and board. College attendance was lower, borrowing volumes were modest, and the assumption was that students were decent credit risks who didn't need strict vetting. So the government set no caps and did minimal underwriting. Flash forward to 2005–2006, and the same logic was applied to graduate students: surely people getting master's and professional degrees would earn enough to repay whatever they borrowed. That assumption, Lieber argues, was the original sin — a reasonable-seeming decision in a small system that was never revisited as the system grew into a $1.7 trillion machine.

To understand why the system is so broken, Rachel Abrams asks Lieber to rewind the clock. In 1980, the federal government began backing student loans because a growing number of families couldn't cover the last few thousand dollars of annual tuition, room, and board. College attendance was lower, borrowing volumes were modest, and the assumption was that students were decent credit risks who didn't need strict vetting. So the government set no caps and did minimal underwriting. Flash forward to 2005–2006, and the same logic was applied to graduate students: surely people getting master's and professional degrees would earn enough to repay whatever they borrowed. That assumption, Lieber argues, was the original sin — a reasonable-seeming decision in a small system that was never revisited as the system grew into a $1.7 trillion machine.

As the 2000s progressed, the demographics of student borrowing shifted significantly. More middle-income and working-class families were using the federal parent loan program, not just the affluent households the system had originally been calibrated for. Then 2008 arrived, and the Great Recession tore through the economy. Borrowers who had seemed like safe risks suddenly couldn't make payments. Archival news audio captures the mood: student loan debt surpassed credit card debt for the first time, and families were drowning. The narrative tension built by Lieber is clear — the system had quietly expanded far beyond its original assumptions, and the financial crisis forced a reckoning that the government still hasn't resolved.

To put a human face on these systemic failures, Lieber turns to the subject he's written about more than anyone else: Jed Shaffer, whom the NYT team affectionately calls 'the patron saint of lost student loan causes.' Shaffer works with high school dropouts, some of them homeless, helping them acquire life skills and earn their GEDs — exactly the kind of public service work that the PSLF program exists to support. He got a master's degree to do this work better and borrowed money to pay for it. He believed he was following the rules for loan forgiveness, making payments correctly, working a qualifying job. He was wrong — or at least, the system was so complicated that it was nearly impossible to know whether you were doing it right. Eventually Shaffer's situation was sorted out, but had it not been, he would likely still be making large monthly payments today while simultaneously trying to save for his own children's college tuition. ^{[1] — Ron Lieber "Jed Shaffer works with homeless high school dropouts helping them earn their GEDs — exactly the public service work that should qualify for…" 22:38 Play} It's a scenario, Lieber says, that no one envisioned when the loan programs were first designed.

Lieber recounts the cautionary tale of the Obama administration's reform attempt. In 2011, facing a system that was clearly generating bad outcomes, the administration tightened underwriting standards for the parent PLUS loan program, intending to prevent the most financially precarious borrowers from taking on debt they couldn't repay. Within a year or two, however, it became clear that the reform had a devastating side effect: a number of historically Black colleges and universities were on the verge of going out of business. Their student bodies disproportionately depended on the parent PLUS loan program, and once those students lost eligibility, they could no longer afford to attend. The administration faced an impossible choice and by 2014 had essentially reversed course, restoring the looser standards it had sought to eliminate. ^{[1] — Ron Lieber "The Obama administration tightened student loan underwriting in 2011, intending to weed out risky borrowers. Within a year or two, some his…" 25:02 Play} The lesson Lieber draws is uncomfortable: the student loan system is so entangled with institutional survival that even well-intentioned reforms carry enormous collateral risk.

Rachel Abrams pushes Lieber on what university administrators actually say when confronted with their role in the debt crisis. Lieber's answer is damning in its understatement: they try to say as little as possible. When cornered, they argue that they don't force anyone to take on debt and that the federal student loan program exists as a matter of public policy — essentially washing their hands of responsibility for what happens after graduation. They frame high tuition not as predatory pricing but as appropriate compensation for the education they provide. Lieber doesn't press the point further at this moment, but the implication hangs in the air: schools have profited enormously from a system that shielded them from any accountability for outcomes.

Rachel Abrams asks the bottom-line question: given the long history of failed attempts to rein in the student loan system, can the Trump administration's new caps and earnings tests actually work? Lieber's answer is conditional. Schools could respond by cutting tuition directly, or by increasing grant and scholarship aid — effectively discounting without lowering list prices. Some institutions might partner with private lenders, guaranteeing loans on the back end for students who exhaust federal limits. Many students will simply migrate to cheaper institutions. And then there is the unintended consequence Lieber finds most alarming: a meaningful number of students who cannot make the math work may decide not to go to college at all. ^{[1] — Ron Lieber "Students and parents who hit the new federal loan caps will be pushed into the private student loan market — where creditworthiness matters…" 26:30 Play} But Lieber also wonders aloud whether some of that disruption might be warranted — whether programs that only existed because unlimited federal loans made them possible should continue to exist at all. He frames the reforms as potentially a long overdue course correction, even if the path through is painful.

In the episode's most forward-looking segment, Lieber articulates what he is actually rooting for: not necessarily the elimination of history PhD programs or social work master's degrees, but a culture of better questions. He wants prospective students and their families to demand granular data from institutions — why does this degree cost $30,000 more per year than the one down the street? What will I earn? What does your alumni outcomes data show? He notes that such data now exists and is more granular than ever before, but universities have little incentive to highlight it proactively. A change in public policy that disrupts the marketplace, Lieber argues, is an opportunity for consumers to pause and ask what questions they haven't been asking — and to insist on real answers. Rachel Abrams captures his thesis succinctly: he is rooting for more transparency and more honest conversations about the value of going to school.

In the episode's most forward-looking segment, Lieber articulates what he is actually rooting for: not necessarily the elimination of history PhD programs or social work master's degrees, but a culture of better questions. He wants prospective students and their families to demand granular data from institutions — why does this degree cost $30,000 more per year than the one down the street? What will I earn? What does your alumni outcomes data show? He notes that such data now exists and is more granular than ever before, but universities have little incentive to highlight it proactively. A change in public policy that disrupts the marketplace, Lieber argues, is an opportunity for consumers to pause and ask what questions they haven't been asking — and to insist on real answers. Rachel Abrams captures his thesis succinctly: he is rooting for more transparency and more honest conversations about the value of going to school.

The episode closes with Rachel Abrams summarizing two landmark Supreme Court rulings issued the same day. In the campaign finance case, the Court sided with Republicans, ruling that existing federal limits on coordinated spending between parties and candidates violated the First Amendment; Justice Elena Kagan's dissent warned the ruling effectively turned a political party into a candidate's 'checking account.' In the birthright citizenship case, the Court reaffirmed the long-standing constitutional principle — rooted in the 14th Amendment — that nearly all children born on U.S. soil are automatically American citizens, striking down a Trump executive order that had sought to deny citizenship to children of undocumented immigrants and temporary foreign residents. The rulings arrived on the same day as the student loan policy changes, making July 1, 2026 a notably consequential day in American domestic policy.

Rachel Abrams reads the production credits: the episode was produced by Olivia Nat, Adrian Hurst, Diana Wynn, and Ricky Nowetzki; edited by Rob Zipko and Lisa Chow; with music by Marian Lozano and Diane Wong; theme music by Wonderly; and engineered by Chris Wood. She signs off as host before a final Planned Parenthood Federation of America sponsor read repeats the organization's call for donations in response to Medicaid defunding.