Podbit · Freakonomics Radio
Chess gives you certainty: the best move is always either right or wrong. Backgammon gives you probability. Frank Frigo argues that this makes backgammon a superior model for business and social decisions, where outcomes are always uncertain and you're managing distributions of risk.
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Frigo's two world titles — separated by 29 years — are themselves a story about emotional maturation. In 1994, he was physically fresh and technically strong but hadn't yet been tested by close, gut-wrenching matches; in 2023, he leaned on decades of practice turning the page after devastating swings, celebrating each moment rather than letting the pressure accumulate. Between those wins, Frigo channeled his backgammon thinking into a real-world analytics firm. Watching NFL coaches reflexively punt on fourth down struck him as the same kind of risk-averse blunder he'd learned to exploit at the backgammon board. He and experimental physicist Chuck Bauer built a full simulation model of NFL games — running clock, penalties, scoring increments — and found that coaches were giving up even more expected value than their initial hypothesis suggested. They began licensing the model to NFL teams; eventually about 12 teams used it. The Eagles adopted it most completely, with buy-in from owner Jeff Lurie down to head coach Doug Pederson. The Chiefs' Andy Reid consulted it via analyst Mike Frazier during games. Frigo directly credits the model as a contributing factor in both franchises' Super Bowl victories.
Frank Frigo won the World Backgammon Championship in 1994 and again in 2023 — a 29-year span that he credits to improved emotional resilience rather than raw skill.
Frank Frigo won the World Backgammon Championship in 1994 and then again in 2023 — 29 years later. The difference wasn't skill; it was the ability to handle emotional swings, turn the page after bad beats, and stay focused on the present position.
NFL coaches were systematically too risk-averse on fourth down — and Frank Frigo built an analytics model, rooted in backgammon decision theory, to prove it. The model was licensed to about 12 teams. The Eagles and Chiefs, who used it most, won Super Bowls.
Frank Frigo's analytics firm, inspired by backgammon theory, licensed its fourth-down decision model to approximately 12 NFL teams.
Frank Frigo directly attributed the Philadelphia Eagles' and Kansas City Chiefs' Super Bowl victories in part to the application of backgammon-derived analytics.
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