Podbit · 2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer
Tom Segura's DMT experience lasted about 15 minutes, but not in a chill way. His entire visual field turned into a black-and-white sketchbook drawing and he was terrified it was permanent. Then the visuals shifted to surfacing unresolved thoughts — grief, death, purpose — which he found genuinely rewarding.
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Bert discloses that Tom came up in his therapy session when Bert was discussing mushrooms as a possible transition tool before returning to drinking. He told his therapist Tom does DMT and the therapist's eyes lit up — particularly when Bert mentioned Tom had done it 'in a hotel room,' prompting Leanne to ask what DMT even is. Tom takes over to describe the experience in remarkable detail: the first phase was his entire visual field converting to a black-and-white sketchbook rendering of reality, which he genuinely feared was permanent. He closed his eyes, reopened them, and everything was still sketched — terrifying. The second phase was more rewarding: shelved thoughts surfaced for examination, including grief about his father, death, and purpose. [1] — Tom Segura "Tom Segura's DMT experience lasted about 15 minutes, but not in a chill way. His entire visual field turned into a black-and-white sketchbo…" 18:27 Tom's assessment is that DMT forces you to look at things you'd normally avoid, which is its core value. He notes the entire experience lasted roughly 15 minutes. Bert confesses he hasn't done it in a while, and the conversation drifts briefly through kratom and ecstasy before the Ultra Pouches ad read.
Tom Segura's DMT experience lasted only approximately 15 minutes, during which his entire visual field appeared as a black-and-white sketch.
Bert Kreischer has become noticeably nastier and quicker to enforce boundaries since getting sober, including refusing camera tests on show day and leaving parties early.
Sobriety didn't make Bert kinder — it made him meaner. He's started refusing unreasonable work requests flat-out, leaving events when he wants, and pushing back on anyone who talks to him sideways. He thinks it's pent-up years of being the guy everyone assumed would just go along.
AI nailed Andrew Huberman's vertigo-vs-low-blood-pressure diagnosis because that pattern has been reported millions of times. But every patient's liver is different and data on liver surgeries is scarce worldwide — making solo robot surgery dangerous. The rule is simple: data abundance means AI can help; data scarcity means keep the human in the loop.
Fei-Fei Li's father had liver surgery performed by a da Vinci robot guided by a surgeon. The result: 10 times less blood loss than a typical procedure. This isn't replacement — it's the gold standard of human-machine collaboration, where the human's judgment and the robot's precision combine.
US drug overdose deaths fell from 110,000 to roughly 70,000 — the biggest CDC-recorded single-year drop ever. Men's rates fell 27% in one year, and the steepest decline of all was among 15–24-year-olds, down 37%. The crisis narrative around young men needs to make room for signs of genuine progress.
Kessler thought his grief expertise would protect him. It didn't. When his son David died unexpectedly, he found himself on the floor — and eventually realized that acceptance alone wasn't enough. That unmet need became the sixth stage: finding meaning.
Grief isn't just death — it's any unwanted change. Kessler lectured at Coca-Cola and General Mills not because they had lots of funerals, but because change management is grief management. People who grieve well live well.
Witnessing someone's grief isn't just emotional support — it's an essential act of healing. Kessler argues grief is a severance and connection heals it. But real witnessing has two steps: seeing the pain AND affirming the person's capacity to recover.
Avoiding grief isn't free — it's exhausting. Kessler's beach ball metaphor nails it: pushing a small balloon down is easy, but holding a massive beach ball underwater takes constant, draining energy. Unattended feelings don't disappear; they just consume you.
Most people try to control their environment to avoid triggers. Kessler flips this entirely: triggers aren't problems to manage around — they're a detailed map to your pain and your healing. Every trigger points directly to what needs attention.
Running from pain doesn't leave it behind — it accelerates the chase. Whatever we run from pursues us, and whatever we face transforms us. Both Kessler and Lewis Howes testify to knowing both roads firsthand.
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