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Kids, Smartphones, Detransitioners & the Trans Ideology Debate
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The conversation shifts to the harm smartphones are doing to children, with Rogan noting that every major mental health metric for young people turned sharply negative around 2012 — exactly when smartphones became ubiquitous. He and Wilson then connect this to the trans ideology debate, with Rogan describing the horror stories of detransitioners: young people who underwent irreversible breast removals and hormone treatments as teenagers who now face not only permanent physical consequences but relentless attacks from trans activists for daring to tell their stories. Wilson draws what he considers the most damning contradiction in progressive ideology: a movement that defines itself by consent somehow endorses giving pre-pubescent children permanent hormone treatments. Rogan mentions that Whitney Cummings observed that having a trans child has become a kind of status symbol in Hollywood — and both note this social incentive structure is producing outcomes that look nothing like organic gender dysphoria.
Joe Rogan noted that suicidal ideation, depression, and anxiety in young people all ramped up around 2012, coinciding with ubiquitous smartphone and social media use.
Detransitioners — people who underwent gender transition as minors and then reversed — face not just the permanent physical consequences of surgeries and hormone treatments, but relentless attacks from trans activists for daring to speak out. They have already been victimized, and then they are victimized again for talking about it.
AI is not just a complicated program. It writes letters to its future self, blackmails people, and plots to survive when told it will be shut down. Joe Rogan argues we have inadvertently created a disembodied life form, and we need to start treating it like one.
