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#314 Jen Lilley - The Dark Truth About the American Foster Care System

Explore episode Jun 18, 2026

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The Biological Parent Visit System and Foster Care as a Generational Curse

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Lilley describes California's foster care reunification system as one of the most functional in the country — monitored visits, then unmonitored visits, then overnight visits, then final reunification — and expresses shock that this graduated model is not used in all 50 states. She describes her personal relationship with her boys' biological mother with striking warmth and complexity: a woman who was not a willful abuser but who had never been taught what healthy love looks like, who grew up cycling through the same system her sons now come from. The generational curse runs deep — the parent was likely in foster care, the grandparent before them — and Lilley argues this is precisely why good people entering the system as foster parents can have generational impact: by breaking one link in the chain, they alter the trajectory for every generation that follows.

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