The Mel Robbins Podcast

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The Best Relationship Advice That Everyone Needs to Hear (From the World’s #1 Love Researchers)

Explore episode Jun 18, 2026

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Turning Toward: The Micro-Moments That Predict Divorce or Forever

At 1:27:00 · chapter starts 1:24:50

John Gottman introduces the concept of 'turning toward' — discovered by his graduate student Janice Driver in the Love Lab apartment footage — by describing the small, often overlooked moments when one partner reaches for the other's attention or engagement. The cameras captured not just the bid but the response: turn toward (acknowledge warmly), turn away (ignore completely), or turn against (respond with irritability). When Driver went back and looked at couples who had divorced six years after the study, their average rate of turning toward bids had been just 33%. Happy, stable couples? Eighty-six percent. Julie illustrates turning away with a vivid example: ignoring your partner calling from the kitchen to ask where the big fork is. She then uses a sea anemone as a metaphor — poke it once and it retracts; poke it again before it's recovered, and it may not open up again. Mel connects this to the episode's broader lesson: it's not the big fights that determine a relationship's fate, it's the accumulated texture of a thousand tiny moments.

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