Empire: World History

Snapshot · Empire: World History

374. Ken Burns on the American Revolution and Empire

Explore episode Jul 4, 2026

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Quickfire: Best President, Best Never-Was, Dream Film

At 36:58 · chapter starts 35:40

Anita attempts a quickfire round on a man who works in 18-hour documentary series. Burns plays along. Best president: George Washington first, because 'we don't have a country without him,' then Abraham Lincoln. Best president America never had: Benjamin Franklin, whose 'extraordinary possibilities' Burns admires, and in a more contemporary sense, Hillary Clinton — a terrible campaigner and candidate, he says plainly, but potentially a very accomplished president. The film he most wants to make: Martin Luther King Jr. The family controls access to much of the archival material, understandably trying in death to control a man they could not control in life. But Burns has already shot 70 hours of interviews with civil rights movement foot soldiers, and a King project is actively in progress. If given a thousand years to live, he says, he would not run out of American history to document.

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