Catholic vote: 70 million voters
There are 70 million Catholic voters in America, and a 2% swing among Catholics in swing states could decide the 2028 election.
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197. Vance Vs Hegseth: Who Takes the Fall for Trump’s Iran Deal?
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Jun 18, 2026
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2028 Scoreboard: Vance Sinking, Rubio Rising, Polls Confirming It
At 43:40 · chapter starts 42:10
Scaramucci steps back and asks for the objective tear sheet: what does the average American voter think of JD Vance? Katty's answer is that most don't have a settled opinion yet, which is exactly why he's doing this book tour. But the emerging opinion — anchored by the Zelensky dressing-down and the Munich speech — is not flattering. And the data confirms it: Vance was leading 2028 Republican nomination polls but is now sinking fast while Rubio rises. Scaramucci explains why: Rubio is simply more cunning. When Vance played to the Trump audience at Munich, Rubio played to the European room — and when he got hammered for it by Trump, he learned to shut up. Rubio's unanchored too, but he's not trying to pretend otherwise. That's a different kind of political intelligence.
Pope Leo, Spike Lee, and the Catholic Vote
Spike Lee wore a Pope Leo Knicks jersey — signed by the Pope himself — at a game. If you're JD Vance or Marco Rubio and you're not paying attention to that symbolism, you should be. Both men need the Catholic vote. Both men have problems with the Pope. Seventy million Catholic voters, a 2% swing in the swing states — that is a presidency.
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