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How to Overcome Social Anxiety | Dr. Nick Epley

Explore episode May 18, 2026

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Social Anxiety & Changing Beliefs; 100 Days of Rejection

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Social anxiety, Epley explains, is highly treatable — more so than many other conditions psychologists encounter. The key insight from Stefan Hoffman's work is that traditional simulation-based therapy (pretend speeches, role-playing) fails because the brain knows it is not real. Real exposure to the feared situation is what updates the belief. He traces Jia Jiang's journey from a terrified aspiring entrepreneur who expected 100 straight rejections to a man who, by day three, was getting Krispy Kreme to make Olympic-ring donuts on request. Nick's lab manager coded all of Jia's videos: 51 acceptances, 48 rejections, meaningful negativity in only 7 of over 100 encounters. The takeaway Jia himself articulated — 'I didn't develop thicker skin; I changed how I think about other people' — is the episode's most clinically actionable moment, and Epley's lab's 30,000-person, 120-experiment database provides the structural support.

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