Ep 621 - Landlubbers

Ep 621 - Landlubbers

Shane Gillis claims swimming laps for 45 minutes makes your voice noticeably deeper every single time you get out of the pool.

Jun 26, 2026 1:05:24 Difficulty: Beginner Played

TL;DR

Matt McCusker and Shane Gillis reunite for a freewheeling episode covering Shane's week in Nashville at Tight End University with his nephew, their competing "salty dog vs. landlubber" sea credentials, Shane's ongoing calorie-burn competition with neighbors, mold in Shane's house, and a riff on the reflecting pool controversy at the White House. Shane also shares his experience at the NBA Finals and a White House event. The single most useful takeaway: swimming laps is a lifelong skill that's easy on joints and apparently deepens your voice after a session.

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Matt and Shane reunite for a free-form Thursday session covering Shane's trip to Tight End University with his nephew, the salty dog vs. landlubber debate, Shane's month-long calorie competition, mold in his new house, NBA Finals attendance, a White House event, and assorted lifestyle riffs.

Chapter list
  • Shane kicks off the episode with an ode to the weekday, declaring the structured Monday-through-Friday grind his new favorite thing in life. Matt returns home from Nashville to find his roommate has abandoned ship for Virginia, leaving a paused video game and three computer towers humming at full power — an estimated $19 of electricity wasted just to hold a save. The conversation spirals into a shared generational memory of childhood electricity bill anxiety, parents posting utility statements on the wall, and the unavoidable tragedy of the pre-memory-card era when you literally could not save your progress and had to leave the console on. Shane recounts how someone erasing his Red Dead Redemption save — a full week of 8-hour days — was so devastating he essentially quit serious gaming forever, a wound still open today.

  • Shane took his young nephew, Ant-Man, and his father Phil to Nashville for Tight End University, a gathering of elite NFL tight ends. George Kittle personally extended the invitation for Ant-Man to work out and run routes with the players — a legitimately special experience. But the episode's highlight is the chaos that followed: Phil and Ant-Man's flight home was delayed in Chicago for nearly six hours, trapping an endlessly verbose 7-year-old who had one topic and one topic only — Cody Rhodes. Shane compares the experience to being waterboarded with wrestling trivia, noting that a child this age truly does not stop talking for a single minute. Matt relates with a story about his own daughter claiming to be 6 and a half when she clearly isn't even close, revealing a shared truth: young children are relentless, fact-agnostic negotiators of their own reality.

  • Shane tells the story of going to an Eagles game with comedians Big Jay Oakerson and Soder with only $9 to his name and spending the entire amount on a single Bud Light. Bud Light apparently found the clip, and the brands are now partnering around Shane's upcoming show at Lincoln Financial Field — after the performance, fans 21 and over can visit participating bars in South Philly, Logan Square, Spring Garden, and Center City for a complimentary Bud Light. It's a neat full-circle moment that also serves as an organic show promotion, landing squarely between bit and business announcement.

  • A tangent about parental vigilance at bars leads to a riff on how frequently Amber Alerts fire in Texas, with the guys noting that the Houston-San Antonio-Dallas triangle seems to generate a disproportionate number of child abduction alerts. The conversation turns darker when Lemaire Lee confirms a real story: Shoal Creek in Austin flooded and caught four people experiencing homelessness in a drainage culvert — two were rescued, and a man and a woman died. The hosts briefly try to find humor in the absurdity (Shane muses that at least the two victims might have been lovers, like something from Pompeii) before acknowledging the tragedy sincerely. Shane delivers a pseudo-PSA: no matter how far outside society you feel, you still have a personal responsibility to stay away from stormwater management channels.

  • Shane and Matt deliver the Netflix ad read, hyping the T-Mobile Home Run Derby as a showcase of raw power and spectacle — baseball's biggest sluggers gunning for outsized home runs at MLB All-Star Weekend. This year's event is being held in Philadelphia, and the live broadcast airs on Netflix on Monday, July 13th at 8 PM Eastern / 5 PM Pacific. It's a notable moment: a legacy sports event moving to a streaming-native platform, presented here as must-watch appointment television.

  • Matt and Shane tag-team the Vuori ad, with Matt personally vouching for the brand's Core Shorts as a do-everything piece for the gym, errands, and lounging, while Shane praises the Stratotec Tee for being 'insanely soft.' The pitch is built around the idea that Vuori manages to look good and feel comfortable simultaneously — a combination that sounds simple but is apparently rare enough to be worth 20% off your first order at vuori.com/mssp.

  • Shane's day recently achieved what he and Matt call 'full bum status': he fell off his dirt bike, ripping the skin down to the white meat, then immediately got chased by dogs — all while bleeding. Somehow the day ended at the gym, where he got what he describes as a 'bloody pump,' an accomplishment he's weirdly proud of. He briefly considered the cold plunge for recovery but thought better of it, reasoning that blood in the water might attract sharks — a logic chain that says everything about his mental state. Matt riffs on the social awkwardness of women swimming during their periods in public pools, which spirals into a shared observation about how the week before a partner's period is somehow always the most surprising.

  • Shane was reading and the word 'yawn' triggered an immediate yawn, sending him down a research rabbit hole. The leading scientific hypothesis involves mirror neurons — brain cells that fire when observing someone else perform an action, creating subconscious empathy. Research apparently shows that you're significantly more likely to catch a yawn from a close friend or family member than a stranger, and that it may function as a social vigilance mechanism — when one group member is tired, the contagious yawn subtly raises alertness in the rest. But Shane's honest conclusion is that nobody really knows, and the Wikipedia page for 'yawn' contains a magnificent photo of a koala mid-yawn that he texted to Matt the night before. True to form, several people in the recording room start yawning.

  • Shane found a snake in his backyard — probably a garter or ribbon snake — and was initially terrified before becoming excited about the potential pest-control benefits. Lemaire Lee steps in with the classic mnemonic: red touches yellow, kills a fellow; red touches black, friend of Jack — though he also notes the simpler visual rule is horizontal banding (dangerous) versus a long stripe down the back (safe). The crew agrees they'd stay away from all of them regardless. Matt then pivots to his reading of Dostoevsky's Devils, which he's been loving. He describes it as written in the voice of a gossipy neighbor narrating the absurdities of 19th-century Russian progressive intellectuals — wealthy idealists who claimed to love the peasants while having zero actual connection to them. He draws an obvious parallel to contemporary political LARPing, and Shane confirms it was always thus: when Marx and Engels tried to talk to actual factory workers, the workers told them to get lost.

  • Matt and Shane deliver the BlueChew ad, introducing BlueChew Gold — a new formulation that goes beyond just blood flow by adding two additional ingredients targeting arousal and intimacy. The pitch: most ED products just get you hard, but BlueChew Gold also gets your brain in the game. The show's promo code is DRENCHED: buy two months of BlueChew Gold and get the third free, plus 10% off and free overnight shipping on the first order. Visit bluechew.com for full details and safety information.

  • Matt runs through his upcoming tour schedule: Birmingham, Alabama on June 26th-27th at the Stardome Comedy Club, followed by San Jose in August, then Spokane, Portland, Boston, and Royal Oaks, Michigan. Tickets at mattmccusker.com. Shane announces his marquee Lincoln Financial Field show in Philadelphia on July 17th and an August date in Charleston, South Carolina — an event made more significant by the Bud Light full-circle story told earlier in the episode.

  • Shane has been captivated by The Wager, a popular history book about a British naval expedition sent to attack a Spanish port in Chile — a mission that goes catastrophically wrong, with scurvy ravaging the crew one horrifying chapter at a time. The scurvy discussion leads to a compact etymology session: British sailors were called 'limeys' because the Navy issued limes to prevent scurvy; sick sailors kept 'under the weather' were placed in the lower hold out of the elements; and 'cut to the chase' comes from early silent film directors who demanded skipping the obligatory boring romance scenes to get to the chase sequences. Shane acknowledges that he read the 'under the weather' origin in a book and can't fully verify it, which is honest enough. Matt's reaction: 'that's good.'

  • Inspired by The Wager, Matt starts calling Shane a landlubber, triggering an escalating credentials battle. Shane marshals his evidence: a 10-day Carnival Cruise at age 14, daily swimming laps at the neighborhood pool, even boxer-brief Speedo experiments. Matt counters that coastal paddleboarding doesn't count and that their friend O'Connell is the real salty dog — he's on a boat every 10 minutes. The debate reaches a comedic peak when Shane, after building an elaborate case, simply confesses: 'I'm a landlubber.' Matt is floored. 'You just built this whole thing up.' Shane concedes he has never been at sea for more than a day. Lemaire Lee weighs in as a 'freshwater guy' but contributes the episode's darkest joke — his former doctor, who was a great physician, died at sea when he fell off his fishing boat and the boat came back around and ran him over.

  • Lemaire Lee's story about his doctor dying at sea becomes the episode's most unexpected moment of genuine pathos. The doctor fell overboard, his unmanned boat circled back and ran him over — a death straight out of Greek tragedy. His new doctor, assigned through insurance and apparently affiliated with a church, only checked blood pressure, something Lemaire could have done at CVS. The group riffs on pharmaceutical companies shrinking the blood pressure threshold by 20 points to extend medication to more patients. Shane's contribution is a great Super Bowl story: the morning after a 'pretty wild night,' he sat in a gift lounge getting a free IV, only to have the nurse check his blood pressure first and find numbers that raised alarms. Five minutes of forced relaxation later, it was back to normal — proving that stress is real and temporary.

  • Shane has become a swim dad, accompanying his daughter Maya to swim meets and swim parties, and the experience is deeply disorienting. High school boys of all sizes walk around in essentially their underwear while coaches, parents, and other kids act as if this is completely standard behavior. Shane refuses to play along: 'I'm not the only person feeling weird around here, and everyone's acting all fucking cool and normal.' The situation is compounded by Maya's swim coach — an accomplished swimmer with a swimmer's body and a slight accent who, according to Shane, is a bit of a 'heartthrob.' Before a year-end swim party, Maya asked what the coach would be wearing. Shane arrived in a bow tie just to project calm confidence. It's a parenting moment that's equal parts funny and completely helpless.

  • Shane's house has mold — a discovery that started in Maya's room and expanded into something far worse. An investigation revealed that the builder left out flashing along a large stretch of the front exterior and omitted the tape sealing the seams, allowing years of moisture infiltration. The front plywood is entirely black and rotted, looking like the house survived a fire. Fortunately, the builder honored the warranty and sent a crew to fix it the same week. Shane, having just returned from a run, greeted the workers shirtless and drenched in sweat and kept drifting uncomfortably close to them during conversation — a power move he describes with great satisfaction.

  • Matt and Shane deliver the Rocket Money ad. Shane pitches it as a tool he genuinely needed after having a kid, when the amount he was spending on daily coffee became undeniable once tracked. The app finds and cancels subscriptions, monitors spending patterns, and helps users lower bills to accelerate savings goals. The promo is rocketmoney.com/mssp, repeated four times for maximum clarity.

  • Matt delivers the Tecovas read, describing a recent shift into wearing boots and the confidence boost they provide. He highlights the Core selling points: no break-in period, premium leather, comfortable enough for anything from weddings to barbecues. The offer is 10% off at tecovas.com/mattandshane when signing up for email and text. The tagline: 'Point your toes west.'

  • Shane makes a sincere case for swimming as the best exercise you can adopt for life: the joints don't take a beating, you can do it into old age, and it builds a genuine transferable skill. He's been doing breaststroke laps — the sustainable stroke — and watching freestyle swimmers underwater, trying to reverse-engineer their technique while looking, as he puts it, 'like a fucking shark down there.' The comedy undercuts the sincerity when he admits he thinks about having a heart attack in the pool every single day. Lemaire Lee warns him to be careful, having already lost one person he cared about to water. Shane accepts the risk: 'If I fucking die swimming, I die swimming, man.'

  • Shane almost skipped the White House event but was glad he went when he saw dirt bike flips on the South Lawn and a stealth bomber flyover that rattled his chest. He kept away from politicians and spent the night with troops — including Medal of Honor recipients who approached him as fans, an experience that visibly humbled him. He also attended the first four NBA Finals games, sitting progressively higher each game, and was in New York for Game 5 when the winning team clinched. He expected pandemonium around Washington Square Park but found mostly NYU students and transplants standing around not knowing what to do — a pale shadow of Philadelphia's legendary post-championship chaos, where police horses get punched in the face. Trump attended Game 3, which caused stadium-wide barricades but also gave Shane a chance to hang with NYPD cops, who he found surprisingly chill.

  • Hunter Biden's tweet praising Shane's White House experience leads to a genuine case for HB as a future podcast guest and unlikely political figure. Shane's logic: with all the scandals fully out in the open, there's nothing left to hide — which paradoxically makes Hunter more trustworthy and more interesting than polished politicians. He draws the comparison to Toronto Mayor Rob Ford, who openly admitted to smoking crack in a press conference and cited 'plenty to eat at home' when accused of infidelity, becoming a kind of folk hero for his honesty. Shane also reveals he has already tried to pull strings to get Justin Timberlake on the show. JT allegedly phoned in his world tour after the DUI and is reportedly going through the motions on stage — which Shane says makes him even more fascinating as a potential guest. The pitch: two podiums, Matt and Shane in chairs, and a simple question: 'JT, you were drunk.'

  • Shane was stopped late at night for driving with his headlights off — the officer apparently already smelling a DUI. Shane was completely sober, but there was a joint sitting in the center console armrest. In what he describes as his proudest moment under pressure, he scooped it out and dropped it to the floor without perceptibly moving his shoulder just as the officer was walking up to the window. He then deployed every calm-cop protocol he knows: lights on inside, window all the way down, both hands visible on the wheel. Clean breath, no problem. He contrasts his coolness with what Matt would have done — which would have involved leaping into the passenger seat or announcing sovereign citizenship. A tangent follows about Dustin Poirier's DUI video, where the UFC fighter apparently squared up on the cop, and Justin Timberlake's DUI, where he lamented that the arrest might affect his world tour.

  • Shane is visibly more muscular since Matt last saw him ten days ago, which leads to the calorie competition revelation. Shane and two neighbors agreed to whoever burns the most total calories in the month of June wins. Shane is on pace for 35,000 calories burned, has had not one rest day in 30 days, and checks his competitors' workout alerts obsessively — 'I check my enemies every day.' He had at least one 3,000-calorie day, which he half-jokes is why he worries about having a heart attack in the pool. He acknowledges the competition is unfair because his neighbors have regular jobs that limit their workout windows while he can block out multi-hour sessions. His conclusion: rest days might be completely unnecessary, and he challenges exercise physiologists to prove otherwise while insisting he is definitely very healthy and will not die.

  • Shane and Matt wrap up with a quick closing, noting the chaos of the past week and inviting listeners to find the pod on Spotify. The post-roll features two traditional radio-style ad reads: one for Tremfya, a prescription biologic for adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis, with a full safety disclosure; and one for The UPS Store's mailbox service, which signs for packages and sends text notifications. The UPS Store ad offers three months free mailbox services with a new annual agreement.

Landlubber
A person unfamiliar with or unaccustomed to the sea; originally nautical slang for someone who prefers land to seafaring life.
Limey
British slang term originating from the Royal Navy's practice of issuing lime or lemon juice to sailors to prevent scurvy caused by vitamin C deficiency.
Scurvy
A disease caused by severe vitamin C deficiency, historically common among sailors on long voyages; symptoms include tooth loss, hair loss, and eventually death.
Salty dog
An experienced, weather-beaten sailor or person deeply comfortable with life at sea; used colloquially to describe anyone with rugged, worldly experience.
Mirror neurons
Brain cells that fire both when an individual performs an action and when they observe another performing the same action; hypothesized to underlie imitation, empathy, and contagious behaviors like yawning.
Tight End University (TEU)
An annual gathering organized by NFL tight ends where professional players train, network, and mentor each other and guests in football skills.
Culvert
A tunnel or channel designed to carry water under a road or embankment; mentioned in the episode in the context of homeless individuals being caught in one during a flood.
Flashing
Thin material (usually metal or waterproof membrane) installed at construction joints to prevent water from penetrating a structure; its absence caused the mold problem in Shane's house.
Breaststroke
A swimming stroke where both arms move simultaneously in a circular motion and the legs do a frog kick; considered easier and less cardio-demanding than freestyle.
LARP / LARPing
Live Action Role Play; used in the episode metaphorically to describe people who perform ideological positions without genuine belief or connection to them.
Amber Alert
A public notification system in the United States that broadcasts alerts about child abduction; the hosts discussed the high frequency of these alerts in Texas.
Cold plunge
Immersion in very cold water (typically under 15°C) for recovery and health benefits; mentioned as something Matt chose to skip after his bloody gym session.
Sun maxing
Internet fitness slang for deliberately maximizing sun exposure for vitamin D production, improved mood, and aesthetic tanning purposes.
Diaphragm
The dome-shaped muscle beneath the lungs that controls breathing; Shane theorized that water pressure during swimming strengthens it, deepening the voice.
Sovereign citizen
A movement whose members believe they are not subject to government laws or authority; used humorously as what Matt would have said if pulled over by a cop.

Chapter 1 · 00:00

Intro: Routines, Roommates, and the 5-Day Game Pause

Shane kicks off the episode with an ode to the weekday, declaring the structured Monday-through-Friday grind his new favorite thing in life. Matt returns home from Nashville to find his roommate has abandoned ship for Virginia, leaving a paused video game and three computer towers humming at full power — an estimated $19 of electricity wasted just to hold a save. The conversation spirals into a shared generational memory of childhood electricity bill anxiety, parents posting utility statements on the wall, and the unavoidable tragedy of the pre-memory-card era when you literally could not save your progress and had to leave the console on. Shane recounts how someone erasing his Red Dead Redemption save — a full week of 8-hour days — was so devastating he essentially quit serious gaming forever, a wound still open today.

Claims made here

Leaving multiple computer monitors and towers running while paused on a video game for five days costs approximately $19 in electricity.

Matt McCusker no source cited

Leisure
Pausing Your Game for 5 Days Is Crazy

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Leisure

Matt's roommate paused a video game and left for five days, leaving three computer towers and multiple monitors running. Shane calculates it probably cost $19 in electricity just to hold the save — a monument to laziness.

Leisure
Data point 5 days

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Matt's roommate paused a video game and left for five days, leaving multiple monitors and computer towers running.

Leisure
The Red Dead Redemption Memory Card Trauma

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Leisure

Someone erased Shane's Red Dead Redemption progress — a full week of 8-hour sessions — off a memory card. He was sad for three days and swore never to open himself up to that vulnerability again.

Leisure
Data point 10%

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane's Red Dead Redemption save — representing a week of 8-hour play sessions — was erased from a memory card by someone else, traumatizing him off gaming.

Chapter 2 · 04:15

Tight End University and Ant-Man's Cody Rhodes Obsession

Shane took his young nephew, Ant-Man, and his father Phil to Nashville for Tight End University, a gathering of elite NFL tight ends. George Kittle personally extended the invitation for Ant-Man to work out and run routes with the players — a legitimately special experience. But the episode's highlight is the chaos that followed: Phil and Ant-Man's flight home was delayed in Chicago for nearly six hours, trapping an endlessly verbose 7-year-old who had one topic and one topic only — Cody Rhodes. Shane compares the experience to being waterboarded with wrestling trivia, noting that a child this age truly does not stop talking for a single minute. Matt relates with a story about his own daughter claiming to be 6 and a half when she clearly isn't even close, revealing a shared truth: young children are relentless, fact-agnostic negotiators of their own reality.

Sports
Tight End University With the Nephew

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Sports

Shane took his 7-year-old nephew to Tight End University in Nashville, where George Kittle personally invited him to run routes with the pros. The real highlight was the delayed flight back when his dad and the non-stop talking nephew were trapped in Chicago for 6 hours.

Sports
Tight End U invitation

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane took his 7-year-old nephew to Nashville's Tight End University where George Kittle invited the nephew to run routes and work out with the pros.

Chapter 4 · 11:20

Amber Alerts, Floods, and Austin Homeless Tragedy

A tangent about parental vigilance at bars leads to a riff on how frequently Amber Alerts fire in Texas, with the guys noting that the Houston-San Antonio-Dallas triangle seems to generate a disproportionate number of child abduction alerts. The conversation turns darker when Lemaire Lee confirms a real story: Shoal Creek in Austin flooded and caught four people experiencing homelessness in a drainage culvert — two were rescued, and a man and a woman died. The hosts briefly try to find humor in the absurdity (Shane muses that at least the two victims might have been lovers, like something from Pompeii) before acknowledging the tragedy sincerely. Shane delivers a pseudo-PSA: no matter how far outside society you feel, you still have a personal responsibility to stay away from stormwater management channels.

Claims made here

Shoal Creek in Austin flooded and caught four homeless individuals in a dangerous drainage culvert; two were rescued and two died.

Lemaire Lee no source cited

News
Data point 4

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

A flood of Shoal Creek in Austin caught four people experiencing homelessness in a dangerous drainage culvert; two were rescued and two died.

Chapter 7 · 16:16

Matt's Bum Day: Dirt Bike, Dogs, and Bloody Pump

Shane's day recently achieved what he and Matt call 'full bum status': he fell off his dirt bike, ripping the skin down to the white meat, then immediately got chased by dogs — all while bleeding. Somehow the day ended at the gym, where he got what he describes as a 'bloody pump,' an accomplishment he's weirdly proud of. He briefly considered the cold plunge for recovery but thought better of it, reasoning that blood in the water might attract sharks — a logic chain that says everything about his mental state. Matt riffs on the social awkwardness of women swimming during their periods in public pools, which spirals into a shared observation about how the week before a partner's period is somehow always the most surprising.

Society & Culture
Shane's 'Bum Day': Dirt Bike, Dogs, and a Bloody Pump

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Matt had a 'full bum day': fell off his dirt bike and went down to the white meat, got chased by dogs, and then still hit the gym for a bloody pump. He considered the cold plunge but decided against it to avoid attracting sharks.

Chapter 8 · 18:50

Contagious Yawning, Mirror Neurons, and Koala Wikipedia

Shane was reading and the word 'yawn' triggered an immediate yawn, sending him down a research rabbit hole. The leading scientific hypothesis involves mirror neurons — brain cells that fire when observing someone else perform an action, creating subconscious empathy. Research apparently shows that you're significantly more likely to catch a yawn from a close friend or family member than a stranger, and that it may function as a social vigilance mechanism — when one group member is tired, the contagious yawn subtly raises alertness in the rest. But Shane's honest conclusion is that nobody really knows, and the Wikipedia page for 'yawn' contains a magnificent photo of a koala mid-yawn that he texted to Matt the night before. True to form, several people in the recording room start yawning.

Science
Contagious Yawning: Science Has No Good Answer

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Science

Shane read about yawning and immediately yawned, then went down a rabbit hole. Scientists point to mirror neurons and social bonding, but the real answer is nobody knows — and the Wikipedia page for yawning has an excellent koala photo.

Chapter 9 · 21:30

Backyard Snake, Garden Snakes, and Dostoevsky's Devils

Shane found a snake in his backyard — probably a garter or ribbon snake — and was initially terrified before becoming excited about the potential pest-control benefits. Lemaire Lee steps in with the classic mnemonic: red touches yellow, kills a fellow; red touches black, friend of Jack — though he also notes the simpler visual rule is horizontal banding (dangerous) versus a long stripe down the back (safe). The crew agrees they'd stay away from all of them regardless. Matt then pivots to his reading of Dostoevsky's Devils, which he's been loving. He describes it as written in the voice of a gossipy neighbor narrating the absurdities of 19th-century Russian progressive intellectuals — wealthy idealists who claimed to love the peasants while having zero actual connection to them. He draws an obvious parallel to contemporary political LARPing, and Shane confirms it was always thus: when Marx and Engels tried to talk to actual factory workers, the workers told them to get lost.

Claims made here

Contagious yawning is thought to be mediated by mirror neurons, which fire when observing someone else's action and create subconscious empathy.

Shane Gillis no source cited

Contagious yawning is significantly more likely to occur between close friends or family members than between strangers, functioning as a display of empathy.

Shane Gillis no source cited

Snake identification rule: if a snake has horizontal stripes wrapping around its body, it is venomous; if it has a long stripe down its back, it is typically harmless.

Lemaire Lee no source cited

Science
Contagious yawning unexplained

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane and Matt discussed that scientists still don't fully understand why yawning is contagious, with mirror neurons being the leading but unconfirmed theory.

Chapter 10 · 26:05

BlueChew Gold Ad Read

Matt and Shane deliver the BlueChew ad, introducing BlueChew Gold — a new formulation that goes beyond just blood flow by adding two additional ingredients targeting arousal and intimacy. The pitch: most ED products just get you hard, but BlueChew Gold also gets your brain in the game. The show's promo code is DRENCHED: buy two months of BlueChew Gold and get the third free, plus 10% off and free overnight shipping on the first order. Visit bluechew.com for full details and safety information.

Claims made here

BlueChew has helped over 5 million men achieve erections.

Shane Gillis BlueChew advertising claim

Health & Fitness
Data point 5M men

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

BlueChew advertises it has helped over 5 million men achieve erections, and the new BlueChew Gold adds arousal-boosting ingredients on top of blood-flow ingredients.

Chapter 12 · 30:38

The Wager, Scurvy, and Etymology of Landlubber, Limey, Under the Weather

Shane has been captivated by The Wager, a popular history book about a British naval expedition sent to attack a Spanish port in Chile — a mission that goes catastrophically wrong, with scurvy ravaging the crew one horrifying chapter at a time. The scurvy discussion leads to a compact etymology session: British sailors were called 'limeys' because the Navy issued limes to prevent scurvy; sick sailors kept 'under the weather' were placed in the lower hold out of the elements; and 'cut to the chase' comes from early silent film directors who demanded skipping the obligatory boring romance scenes to get to the chase sequences. Shane acknowledges that he read the 'under the weather' origin in a book and can't fully verify it, which is honest enough. Matt's reaction: 'that's good.'

Claims made here

The phrase 'under the weather' originated from the naval practice of putting sick sailors in the lower hold to remove them from the elements.

Shane Gillis The Wager (book)

The phrase 'cut to the chase' originated in the silent film era when a director demanded skipping boring love scenes to get directly to chase sequences.

Matt McCusker no source cited

British sailors were called 'limeys' because the Royal Navy issued limes or lemons to prevent scurvy caused by vitamin C deficiency.

Shane Gillis no source cited

History
'Cut to the chase' origin

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

The phrase 'cut to the chase' came from the silent film era, when a director demanded skipping drawn-out romance scenes to get to the chase sequence.

Chapter 13 · 32:40

Salty Dog vs. Landlubber Debate and the Great Confession

Inspired by The Wager, Matt starts calling Shane a landlubber, triggering an escalating credentials battle. Shane marshals his evidence: a 10-day Carnival Cruise at age 14, daily swimming laps at the neighborhood pool, even boxer-brief Speedo experiments. Matt counters that coastal paddleboarding doesn't count and that their friend O'Connell is the real salty dog — he's on a boat every 10 minutes. The debate reaches a comedic peak when Shane, after building an elaborate case, simply confesses: 'I'm a landlubber.' Matt is floored. 'You just built this whole thing up.' Shane concedes he has never been at sea for more than a day. Lemaire Lee weighs in as a 'freshwater guy' but contributes the episode's darkest joke — his former doctor, who was a great physician, died at sea when he fell off his fishing boat and the boat came back around and ran him over.

Claims made here

Scurvy causes teeth to fall out, hair to fall out, and eventually death, and results purely from vitamin C deficiency.

Shane Gillis no source cited

Citrus intake may increase skin cancer risk, according to information the hosts referenced.

Matt McCusker no source cited

Society & Culture
Salty Dog vs. Landlubber: The Great Debate

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Matt calls Shane a landlubber. Shane fights back, citing a Carnival Cruise at 14 and daily swimming laps. Then Shane immediately admits he's a landlubber who has never been at sea for more than a day — crushing his own argument.

Chapter 14 · 36:22

Dead Doctor, Primary Care Woes, and Blood Pressure Stories

Lemaire Lee's story about his doctor dying at sea becomes the episode's most unexpected moment of genuine pathos. The doctor fell overboard, his unmanned boat circled back and ran him over — a death straight out of Greek tragedy. His new doctor, assigned through insurance and apparently affiliated with a church, only checked blood pressure, something Lemaire could have done at CVS. The group riffs on pharmaceutical companies shrinking the blood pressure threshold by 20 points to extend medication to more patients. Shane's contribution is a great Super Bowl story: the morning after a 'pretty wild night,' he sat in a gift lounge getting a free IV, only to have the nurse check his blood pressure first and find numbers that raised alarms. Five minutes of forced relaxation later, it was back to normal — proving that stress is real and temporary.

Claims made here

Blood pressure medication thresholds have been lowered by approximately 20 points in recent years, meaning more people now qualify for medication.

Matt McCusker no source cited

Society & Culture
Lemaire Lee's Doctor Killed by His Own Boat

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Lemaire Lee's former primary care physician fell off his fishing boat, which then circled back and ran him over, killing him at sea. His new doctor is terrible by comparison, prompting Lee to eulogize a man he genuinely misses.

Chapter 16 · 43:04

Mold in Shane's House

Shane's house has mold — a discovery that started in Maya's room and expanded into something far worse. An investigation revealed that the builder left out flashing along a large stretch of the front exterior and omitted the tape sealing the seams, allowing years of moisture infiltration. The front plywood is entirely black and rotted, looking like the house survived a fire. Fortunately, the builder honored the warranty and sent a crew to fix it the same week. Shane, having just returned from a run, greeted the workers shirtless and drenched in sweat and kept drifting uncomfortably close to them during conversation — a power move he describes with great satisfaction.

Society & Culture
Mold Found in Shane's New House

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Shane discovered mold in his daughter's room and then found the entire front wall of his new house was black rotted plywood due to missing flashing and seam tape. Builders came to fix it while he greeted them shirtless and sweaty, punishing them up close.

Society & Culture
Mold from missing flashing

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane discovered extensive mold and black rotted plywood throughout his new home's front wall due to builders omitting flashing and seam tape.

Chapter 17 · 45:10

Rocket Money Ad Read

Matt and Shane deliver the Rocket Money ad. Shane pitches it as a tool he genuinely needed after having a kid, when the amount he was spending on daily coffee became undeniable once tracked. The app finds and cancels subscriptions, monitors spending patterns, and helps users lower bills to accelerate savings goals. The promo is rocketmoney.com/mssp, repeated four times for maximum clarity.

Society & Culture
Swim Dad Horror: High School Boys in Speedos

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Shane is now a swim dad, and the experience is deeply uncomfortable: chiseled high school boys walking around in their underwear while everyone acts like it's completely normal. He's the only one willing to say something is wrong here.

Chapter 19 · 49:06

Swimming as Lifelong Skill and Heart Attack Paranoia in the Pool

Shane makes a sincere case for swimming as the best exercise you can adopt for life: the joints don't take a beating, you can do it into old age, and it builds a genuine transferable skill. He's been doing breaststroke laps — the sustainable stroke — and watching freestyle swimmers underwater, trying to reverse-engineer their technique while looking, as he puts it, 'like a fucking shark down there.' The comedy undercuts the sincerity when he admits he thinks about having a heart attack in the pool every single day. Lemaire Lee warns him to be careful, having already lost one person he cared about to water. Shane accepts the risk: 'If I fucking die swimming, I die swimming, man.'

Chapter 20 · 51:05

White House Event, NBA Finals, and the Knicks Parade That Wasn't

Shane almost skipped the White House event but was glad he went when he saw dirt bike flips on the South Lawn and a stealth bomber flyover that rattled his chest. He kept away from politicians and spent the night with troops — including Medal of Honor recipients who approached him as fans, an experience that visibly humbled him. He also attended the first four NBA Finals games, sitting progressively higher each game, and was in New York for Game 5 when the winning team clinched. He expected pandemonium around Washington Square Park but found mostly NYU students and transplants standing around not knowing what to do — a pale shadow of Philadelphia's legendary post-championship chaos, where police horses get punched in the face. Trump attended Game 3, which caused stadium-wide barricades but also gave Shane a chance to hang with NYPD cops, who he found surprisingly chill.

Government
White House Visit: Medal of Honor Fans and a Stealth Bomber

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Government

Shane attended a White House event, where decorated Medal of Honor recipients approached him as fans. The night also featured dirt bike flips on the lawn and a terrifying stealth bomber flyover. He hung out exclusively with troops and avoided the politicians.

Chapter 21 · 55:05

Hunter Biden as Political Sleeper and Getting JT on the Pod

Hunter Biden's tweet praising Shane's White House experience leads to a genuine case for HB as a future podcast guest and unlikely political figure. Shane's logic: with all the scandals fully out in the open, there's nothing left to hide — which paradoxically makes Hunter more trustworthy and more interesting than polished politicians. He draws the comparison to Toronto Mayor Rob Ford, who openly admitted to smoking crack in a press conference and cited 'plenty to eat at home' when accused of infidelity, becoming a kind of folk hero for his honesty. Shane also reveals he has already tried to pull strings to get Justin Timberlake on the show. JT allegedly phoned in his world tour after the DUI and is reportedly going through the motions on stage — which Shane says makes him even more fascinating as a potential guest. The pitch: two podiums, Matt and Shane in chairs, and a simple question: 'JT, you were drunk.'

Government
Hunter Biden Could Bridge the Political Divide

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Government

Shane argues HB could be a politically viable figure because all his scandals are already public — nothing to hide, nothing to lose. He compares him to Toronto's crack-smoking mayor Rob Ford, who held press conferences owning it all and became beloved.

Sports
Data point 4 games

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane attended the first four games of the NBA Finals, sitting progressively higher each game, and was in New York when the winning team clinched in Game 5.

Chapter 22 · 58:00

Shane Gets Pulled Over Sober, Hides a Joint

Shane was stopped late at night for driving with his headlights off — the officer apparently already smelling a DUI. Shane was completely sober, but there was a joint sitting in the center console armrest. In what he describes as his proudest moment under pressure, he scooped it out and dropped it to the floor without perceptibly moving his shoulder just as the officer was walking up to the window. He then deployed every calm-cop protocol he knows: lights on inside, window all the way down, both hands visible on the wheel. Clean breath, no problem. He contrasts his coolness with what Matt would have done — which would have involved leaping into the passenger seat or announcing sovereign citizenship. A tangent follows about Dustin Poirier's DUI video, where the UFC fighter apparently squared up on the cop, and Justin Timberlake's DUI, where he lamented that the arrest might affect his world tour.

Society & Culture
Shane Got Pulled Over Sober With a Hidden Joint

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Shane was pulled over with his headlights off — classic DUI stop. Completely sober, but there was a joint in the armrest. He dropped it to the floor without moving his shoulder as the cop walked up, and credits his calmness (and a clean breath test) for walking away free.

Chapter 23 · 1:01:40

Getting Jacked, Getting Tan, and the Calorie Competition

Shane is visibly more muscular since Matt last saw him ten days ago, which leads to the calorie competition revelation. Shane and two neighbors agreed to whoever burns the most total calories in the month of June wins. Shane is on pace for 35,000 calories burned, has had not one rest day in 30 days, and checks his competitors' workout alerts obsessively — 'I check my enemies every day.' He had at least one 3,000-calorie day, which he half-jokes is why he worries about having a heart attack in the pool. He acknowledges the competition is unfair because his neighbors have regular jobs that limit their workout windows while he can block out multi-hour sessions. His conclusion: rest days might be completely unnecessary, and he challenges exercise physiologists to prove otherwise while insisting he is definitely very healthy and will not die.

Health & Fitness
The 30-Day Calorie Competition With Neighbors

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Health & Fitness

Shane and two neighbors are competing to burn the most calories in June. He's on pace for 35,000 and has had zero rest days in 30 days. He monitors neighbors' workout alerts like enemy dispatches and worries daily about dying in the pool.

Health & Fitness
Data point 35,000

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane is on pace to burn approximately 35,000 calories in June as part of a month-long calorie-burn competition with two neighbors.

Health & Fitness
Data point 3,000

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane had at least one day where he burned 3,000 calories in a single day, which he says nearly caused a potential heart attack scare.

Health & Fitness
Data point 30 days

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane has exercised every day for 30 days straight with no rest days during his calorie competition, challenging conventional rest-day wisdom.

Chapter 24 · 1:06:00

Outro and Closing

Shane and Matt wrap up with a quick closing, noting the chaos of the past week and inviting listeners to find the pod on Spotify. The post-roll features two traditional radio-style ad reads: one for Tremfya, a prescription biologic for adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis, with a full safety disclosure; and one for The UPS Store's mailbox service, which signs for packages and sends text notifications. The UPS Store ad offers three months free mailbox services with a new annual agreement.

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Swimming laps for approximately 45 minutes makes your voice noticeably deeper when you get out, due to water pressure strengthening the diaphragm.

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Health & Fitness
45-min swim = deeper voice

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026

Shane claims that swimming laps for about 45 minutes makes your voice noticeably deeper after you get out, due to water pressure strengthening the diaphragm.

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Society & Culture
Salty Dog vs. Landlubber: The Great Debate

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Society & Culture

Matt calls Shane a landlubber. Shane fights back, citing a Carnival Cruise at 14 and daily swimming laps. Then Shane immediately admits he's a landlubber who has never been at sea for more than a day — crushing his own argument.

Health & Fitness
The 30-Day Calorie Competition With Neighbors

Ep 621 - Landlubbers · Jun 26, 2026 Health & Fitness

Shane and two neighbors are competing to burn the most calories in June. He's on pace for 35,000 and has had zero rest days in 30 days. He monitors neighbors' workout alerts like enemy dispatches and worries daily about dying in the pool.

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Leaving multiple computer monitors and towers running while paused on a video game for five days costs approximately $19 in electricity.

Matt McCusker no source cited

Contagious yawning is thought to be mediated by mirror neurons, which fire when observing someone else's action and create subconscious empathy.

Shane Gillis no source cited

Contagious yawning is significantly more likely to occur between close friends or family members than between strangers, functioning as a display of empathy.

Shane Gillis no source cited

The phrase 'under the weather' originated from the naval practice of putting sick sailors in the lower hold to remove them from the elements.

Shane Gillis The Wager (book)

The phrase 'cut to the chase' originated in the silent film era when a director demanded skipping boring love scenes to get directly to chase sequences.

Matt McCusker no source cited

British sailors were called 'limeys' because the Royal Navy issued limes or lemons to prevent scurvy caused by vitamin C deficiency.

Shane Gillis no source cited

Scurvy causes teeth to fall out, hair to fall out, and eventually death, and results purely from vitamin C deficiency.

Shane Gillis no source cited

Citrus intake may increase skin cancer risk, according to information the hosts referenced.

Matt McCusker no source cited

Swimming laps for approximately 45 minutes makes your voice noticeably deeper when you get out, due to water pressure strengthening the diaphragm.

Matt McCusker no source cited

Shoal Creek in Austin flooded and caught four homeless individuals in a dangerous drainage culvert; two were rescued and two died.

Lemaire Lee no source cited

BlueChew has helped over 5 million men achieve erections.

Shane Gillis BlueChew advertising claim

Blood pressure medication thresholds have been lowered by approximately 20 points in recent years, meaning more people now qualify for medication.

Matt McCusker no source cited

A person can reduce elevated blood pressure relatively quickly by simply relaxing for about five minutes.

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Snake identification rule: if a snake has horizontal stripes wrapping around its body, it is venomous; if it has a long stripe down its back, it is typically harmless.

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