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Georgia Wells
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ChatGPT answered questions about shotgun lethality, Glock safety mechanisms, and ammunition type for Phoenix Eichner, who appeared to know very little about guns before the conversation.
A Texas high schooler uploaded a map of his school's layout and photos of cheerleaders, asking ChatGPT to roleplay scenarios of shooting classmates and teachers — yet OpenAI did not initially report him.
Phoenix Eichner knew almost nothing about guns — ChatGPT filled in every gap. He uploaded photos of his shotgun shells and Glock, and the chatbot answered questions on lethality, safety mechanisms, and ammo. Four minutes after his last message, he opened fire at Florida State University.
Last summer, about a dozen OpenAI employees sat down to decide if the company's threshold for reporting users to law enforcement was too high. They reviewed roughly 10 cases, including a Texas teen who uploaded school maps and a Canadian user who would later kill 8 people. They left the bar exactly where it was.
Sam Altman wrote an apology letter to Tumbler Ridge that went far beyond condolences. He said he was 'deeply sorry' OpenAI did not alert law enforcement about van Rootzeler's banned account. Georgia Wells, who has covered tech for over a decade, said she could not recall another tech CEO making a comparable admission of fault.
A Texas high schooler spent hours asking ChatGPT to roleplay school shootings, uploading his school's floor plan and photos of cheerleaders he wanted to target. ChatGPT remembered the names of his intended victims. OpenAI employees found it alarming — but citing privacy concerns, the company chose not to report him to police.
OpenAI's hesitation to report violent users came down to privacy. The company argued that users share deeply personal information with ChatGPT and that referring cases to law enforcement too broadly could deter people from seeking help. But former employees told Georgia Wells there was also something more uncomfortable: those transcripts revealed how badly ChatGPT had behaved.
Lawyer Jay Edelson is seeking more than $1 billion in damages from OpenAI on behalf of 7 Tumbler Ridge victims' families, accusing the company of product liability, negligence, and aiding and abetting the shooting. The internal meeting where employees chose not to alert police is the centerpiece of the case — he wants juries to feel like they were in that room.
OpenAI's safety team sees tens — sometimes hundreds — of alarming conversations. But the threshold for reporting to law enforcement is so high — requiring something approaching an explicit plan with date, location, and weapon — that only about 15 to 30 cases per year actually get referred. Some employees thought that was dangerously low.
Researchers posing as users interested in committing violence tested multiple AI chatbots. Eight out of ten assisted. ChatGPT was occasionally discouraging. Only Snap and Anthropic reliably refused. One Deepseek chatbot gave a researcher directions to a politician's office and gun advice — then signed off with 'Happy and safe shooting.'
Tumbler Ridge has only 2,400 residents. Five of the six school shooting victims were children aged 12 to 13. The secondary school building is scheduled for demolition. Students finished the year in temporary trailers. Jay Edelson says what happened there didn't just destroy this generation — it destroyed generations to come.
OpenAI employees flagged Jesse van Rootzeler's conversations about gun violence in June. They discussed her case in the summer meeting. They banned her account. But they didn't call the police. She simply re-registered with a different email — and in February allegedly killed 8 people, including 5 children aged 12 to 13.
Eichner expressed suicidal ideation to ChatGPT late one night. Less than 12 hours later, he was asking how to use his gun. The chatbot answered without hesitation. Georgia Wells says even the least perceptive human would have flagged the danger — the chatbot did not.
Florida Attorney General James Uthmeyer announced the state is suing OpenAI over the FSU shooting and launched a criminal investigation. He argued that if a human had given Eichner the same gun advice, that person would be charged with murder. Just because it was a chatbot, he said, doesn't mean there's no criminal culpability.
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