The Supreme Court ruling on TPS stripped legal status from over 300,000 Haitians who had been in the US under humanitarian protections.
Jane Coaston: POTUS's Racism Notches Another Win
A man was sentenced to 30–100 years for moving anarchist zines out of his house under Trump's material-support-for-terrorism order — while JD Vance called Watergate "a 12-hour news story."
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Jane Coaston: POTUS's Racism Notches Another Win
A man was sentenced to 30–100 years for moving anarchist zines out of his house under Trump's material-support-for-terrorism order — while JD Vance called Watergate "a 12-hour news story."
TL;DR
Jane Coaston joins Tim Miller to unpack the Supreme Court's ruling stripping temporary protected status from over 300,000 Haitians, exposing Justice Alito's selective blindness to racism [1] — Jane Coaston "Samuel Alito once decried anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos but found zero racism in Trump's documented anti-Haitian rhetoric. Conservati…" 03:31 . They dissect Megyn Kelly's anti-immigrant rant as performative "vice signaling," JD Vance's revisionist take on Watergate at the Nixon Foundation [2] — Jane Coaston "Jane Coaston's Costal Nostalgia Theory: people always think the era when they were young and attractive was civilization's peak. Vanilla Ic…" 54:07 , and an ICE protester sentenced to 30 years for moving anarchist zines [3] — Tim Miller "Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada never attended the Prairieland ICE protest. He was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years because po…" 20:40 . The episode closes with Jane's Nostalgia Theory, Caitlin Clark discourse, and the fringe push to repeal the 19th Amendment. Key takeaway: the right applies its own rules only to itself.
Jane Coaston joins Tim Miller to discuss the Supreme Court TPS ruling on Haitians, Megyn Kelly's anti-immigrant rant, JD Vance's revisionist Watergate takes, an ICE protester sentenced to 30 years for zines, the Costal Nostalgia Theory, Caitlin Clark discourse, and calls to repeal the 19th Amendment.
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Before a word of conversation, the episode is bookended by a Lemonade Pet Insurance ad read in the voice of a lovesick dog and an OnDeck small-business loan spot. Then Tim Miller introduces Jane Coaston, host of Crooked Media's now-daily 'What a Day,' noting she holds the record for most downloads of a single Bulwark episode — attributing the numbers to listeners desperate for her Melania Trump take. The two briefly riff on Melania's book, setting a tone of irreverent banter before promising listeners the episode will move from rage-inducing news through JD Vance to a lighter grab-bag at the end.
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Tim Miller opens the substantive portion of the podcast with what he describes as his greatest source of rage that morning: the Supreme Court's TPS decision, which he says effectively retroactively made illegal the status of over 300,000 Haitians who had lived and worked in the US under humanitarian protections. Jane Coaston broadens the frame immediately — the ruling affects Syrians and others too — before zooming in on the ruling's most striking detail: a split-screen between Justice Alito's majority opinion finding no racial animus in Trump's statements and Justice Kagan's dissent, which methodically catalogued Trump's anti-Haitian slurs, including calling Haiti a 'shithole country' and claiming Haitian immigrants were bringing AIDS. Coaston delivers the episode's sharpest early line: the conservative justices can see racism only when it targets them. [1] — Jane Coaston "Samuel Alito once decried anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos but found zero racism in Trump's documented anti-Haitian rhetoric. Conservati…" 03:31 As evidence she notes Alito once complained about the anti-Italian portrayal in The Sopranos — a vivid illustration of the selective outrage at work.
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Jane Coaston identifies Christopher Rufo's public offer of a financial bounty for photographic proof that Haitian immigrants ate cats or dogs as a key escalation in the anti-Haitian media campaign. Tim Miller asks whether Rufo ever paid out; Coaston suspects not. The conversation turns to the broader rhetorical technique: conservative media's use of one Haitian immigrant involved in a traffic fatality to imply criminality is endemic to the entire community — while the parents of the child killed publicly begged politicians not to use their loss for political purposes. Coaston frames this as 'bog-standard evil racism,' the same pattern of collective guilt applied to any convenient out-group, and notes that supporters were always aware this was the deal they voted for: they wanted the economy of 2019 and accepted the deportations as part of the package.
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Tim Miller plays audio of Megyn Kelly telling Haitian immigrants that Americans 'filled this country with our work ethic and our culture and our values' and that the immigrants' presence 'only dilutes it.' Kelly's rant includes the claim that Springfield, Ohio residents are being killed by drunk-driving Haitians — a community she has never visited and whose information she receives only from already-outraged listeners of her own show. Jane Coaston introduces the concept of 'vice signaling': the performative display of cruelty to signal authenticity to an audience that wants to hear it, a financially rational act for Kelly regardless of its accuracy. Coaston notes Kelly was a radically different, softer on-air personality when working for NBC — evidence the persona is strategic. Tim Miller goes further, arguing Kelly has built nothing culturally and has only worked to tear the country apart. [1] — Tim Miller "You didn't build shit. She has not built any lasting cultural touchdown. She's added nothing to the culture. All she's trying to do is rip …" 14:13 He counters the 'we built this' claim by pointing to New Orleans Creole culture as proof of deep Haitian contribution to America, invoking Bess Scott, Blake Griffin, and Pierre Toussaint. The hosts land on 'stolen white people valor' as the defining concept for this kind of identity inflation.
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Tim Miller delivers two back-to-back ad reads. First, for Soul, a wellness brand offering hemp-derived CBD and THC products including new Mood Gummies in Uplift, Mellow, and Balance formulations, with a 30% discount for Bulwark listeners using the code 'The Bulwark' at getsoul.com. Miller mentions attending a Geese concert the prior evening as personal context. The second spot is for McDonald's, promoting six new drinks including the Strawberry Watermelon Refresher, Mango Pineapple Refresher with popping boba, and the Sprite Berry Blast with cold foam.
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On July 4th, 2025, a group of protesters descended on the Prairieland ICE facility in Texas, shooting fireworks, spray-painting graffiti, slashing government van tires, and ultimately — after a federal agent drew his gun — a protester with a rifle shot and wounded the officer. The government then did something remarkable: it prosecuted 22 people, including individuals who were not present. Nine were charged under a Trump executive order designating Antifa a terrorist organization, receiving sentences of 30 to 100 years. [1] — Tim Miller "30–100 year sentences for Antifa protesters: Nine protesters at the Prairieland ICE facility received sentences ranging from 30 to 100 year…" 19:57 Tim Miller walks through the case of Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada, who did not attend the protest at all. His wife did. She called him from jail; the government recorded it. When police later stopped him moving a box of anarchist zines from his home — sticker sheets, tattoo flash, illustrations — those zines were entered as terrorism evidence. He received 30 years. [2] — Tim Miller "Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada never attended the Prairieland ICE protest. He was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years because po…" 20:40 Coaston and Miller draw out the hypocrisy: the same movement defending Kyle Rittenhouse's gun at a protest and screaming about social media censorship as a First Amendment threat is throwing the book at people for printed pamphlets. Elon Musk, the world's most prominent free-speech absolutist, has said nothing.
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Briefly pivoting to a parallel story, Tim Miller raises a New York Times piece about Paul Johnson, a Minnesota protester who says federal agents struck him in the head and then left him shackled in a hospital bed for five days with no ability to reach anyone — woozy from pain medication, alone, incommunicado. Miller describes it as 'horrific' and 'monstrous,' an example of a pattern of government brutality against protesters that is flying below the mainstream media radar. Coaston ties it back to the broader theme of the episode: the same people who couldn't stop talking about the untrustworthiness of the Biden administration are completely credulous about DHS accounts of these incidents.
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Jane Coaston reads an OnDeck ad spot promoting the company's small business loans of up to $400,000, citing an A+ Better Business Bureau rating and thousands of five-star Trustpilot reviews. The ad directs listeners to apply at ondeck.com and notes OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota.
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In a brief pivot to Capitol Hill, Tim Miller describes what he calls the only bipartisan accomplishment Congress has managed in 2026: a housing affordability bill that had drawn support from Elizabeth Warren, the Trump White House, and YIMBY advocates alike. Then Trump, furious that the SAVE Act — a bill requiring passport or birth certificate proof for voter registration, which he believes will help him steal the midterms — had not yet passed, threatened to withhold his signature. House Republicans had already staged a celebratory photo opportunity with flags and stanchions. Miller and Coaston note that Speaker Johnson, in a rare moment of backbone, transmitted the bill to the White House anyway, forcing Trump to act within 10 days — sign it, veto it, or do nothing and let it auto-enact (assuming Congress is in session). Miller suspects Trump views it as a cliffhanger for his own continuing television drama.
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The conversation shifts to what Tim Miller calls a 'planned bit': JD Vance at the Nixon Foundation, delivering a pre-meditated rehabilitation of Watergate. Vance's argument, played in audio, is that the scandal would barely register today and that the 'deep state' that destroyed Nixon was the same one that tried to destroy Trump. [1] — Tim Miller "JD Vance told the Nixon Foundation that if Watergate happened today it would be a 12-hour news story, not a presidency-ending scandal. He c…" 34:36 Tim Miller offers a crisp corrective: Nixon's own aides ordered the DNC break-in, Nixon used the CIA to construct a cover-up, a White House slush fund financed the operation, and the president himself was on tape. There was no deep state conspiracy — the deep state was Nixon's. Jane Coaston notes that Vance may simply not know what happened, and that the right's Nixon rehabilitation requires carefully ignoring the EPA, his Black advisory cabinet, and his Ebony magazine interview. The hosts ultimately land on a more chilling reading of Vance's remarks: he isn't making a historical argument. He's announcing that in the Trump era, the government can commit crimes in the open, because the propaganda apparatus and the degraded attention economy will absorb anything.
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Tim Miller sets up a 'let Jane cook' segment on JD Vance's new book 'Communion,' recounting the conversion narrative: God sent Peter Thiel as a heavenly emissary to show Vance that smart people could be religious, Thiel introduced him to René Girard, and Vance found his way to Catholicism at precisely the moment when cultural Catholicism became most politically advantageous on the American right. Coaston compares it unfavorably to Henry IV's conversion to gain control of Paris — at least that made strategic sense. Even the Wall Street Journal, she notes, flagged the narrative as appearing 'politically incentivized.' Then Tim Miller plays a clip from a joint interview in which Usha Vance is asked about her own spiritual journey. [1] — Usha Vance "I grew up in a Hindu household, a very stable household, and I've not felt the same sense of need to seek something different that he has." 44:58 Her answer — delivered in a notably flat affect — is that she grew up in a stable Hindu household and felt no need to 'seek something different.' Coaston and Miller read this as a pointed, public acknowledgment that the chaos driving JD's faith journey was his problem, not a universal human experience. They close by speculating about what Usha would say in private.
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Tim Miller and Coaston turn to Democratic politics, taking stock of the DSA wins in New York — including Dacka Chevalier — and whether they represent the party's future or merely one city's present. Coaston cautions against reading New York as a national template, pointing to a debate moment where Chevalier's willingness to say she hasn't been to the Dominican Republic recently read as a mark of local authenticity against an opponent who went 'all the time.' Tim Miller pivots to Roy Cooper's North Carolina ad, in which the former governor simply says he believes criminals should go to jail and he loves his neighbors — and is polling at margins Democrats haven't seen in North Carolina in decades. Neither host dismisses the DSA's wins nor the Cooper model; their collective point is that Democratic strategy has to be geographically adaptive rather than ideologically uniform. They close by noting the gerontocracy problem — Janet Mills and Michael Bennett both facing insurgent pressure — as an underappreciated factor in party renewal.
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Jane Coaston introduces her theory with characteristic precision: the question to ask anyone claiming the past was better is simply 'were you young and/or hot at the time?' [1] — Jane Coaston "Jane Coaston's Costal Nostalgia Theory: people always think the era when they were young and attractive was civilization's peak. Vanilla Ic…" 54:07 The Atlantic's interview with Vanilla Ice — who believes the early 1990s represent the zenith of human civilization, an era when he was dating Madonna and appearing in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies — provides the purest case study. Coaston expands the theory empirically: comment sections at National Review, the Free Press, and left-leaning publications alike are dominated by early-70-somethings who believe 1977 was paradise, apparently forgetting the Son of Sam, the NYC blackouts, and stagflation. She notes that Saturday Night Fever is the template — a film everyone associates with a great time that is actually an extremely depressing movie. Tim Miller confesses he has Peter Pan syndrome as the exception that proves the rule, which he frames as the active choice to find good things happening now rather than mourning the past. He closes by observing that Joe Rogan, listened to for the first time in a while, has become a grumpy old rich man with no joy left — just complaints about how LA isn't what it used to be.
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Tim Miller reads from reporting on Abe Hamaday, the first-term Arizona Republican, who has been living with a senior male staffer described by sources as occupying a role 'closer than a typical member-staffer dynamic.' The staffer was previously a realtor. Hamaday missed floor votes in May 2025 while on a California vacation with the staffer, which he documented on private Instagram. Tim Miller, who covered Arizona extensively during the 2022 cycle and met Hamaday several times, declines to speculate beyond the reported facts, invoking the rule that he is not an outer and that everyone should live their truth — while not taking further questions. Jane Coaston uses the Aaron Schock parallel to do more rhetorical work: Schock's entire political career was brought down by an interior decorator who gave a Washington Post reporter a tour of his Downton Abbey–themed congressional office, leading eventually to his coming out as gay years later. The looksmaxing aesthetic shared between Schock and Hamaday, Coaston notes with deliberate restraint, is worth observing.
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Jane Coaston leads on Caitlin Clark, issuing a challenge: of all the men passionately defending Clark, how many can name another white heterosexual WNBA player, let alone any WNBA player? Tim Miller concedes he looked up Clark's actual stats — she is the second leading scorer on the Indiana Fever, who are in third place in the conference — and frames her as the 'Jamal Murray of the WNBA' right now: good, not transcendent, with room to grow. He notes that if the Fever win a title and Clark has a Jalen Brunson run, she will receive appropriate recognition. Coaston calls out the lesbophobia subtext: older white men writing permission slips for themselves to attack WNBA players they frame as being mean to the one straight woman on the court. Both hosts agree the WNBA has a legitimate, separate problem with foul-calling inconsistency — calling both the Angel Reese-Brittney Griner incident and the broader pattern of either over-officiating or under-officiating — that has nothing to do with Clark specifically.
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Tim Miller reads from Haralabos Voulgaris's tweet calling the 19th Amendment a permanent alteration of the electorate that empowered 'the politics of emotion over order' and arguing the family — not the individual — should be the unit of political representation. Miller notes, with visible relish, that Voulgaris has not found a mate and is frequently seen courtside with younger women. Jane Coaston methodically dismantles the logic: the 19th Amendment has been in place for 106 years, which means every election from Herbert Hoover onward has been conducted under its terms. [1] — Jane Coaston "Could I convince women of my political views? It's loser talk. It's like, we can't win, so we just won't. We just won't do it." 1:08:25 The argument implicitly condemns the Greatest Generation's elections and every midterm since. She then makes the real point: calling for the repeal of women's suffrage is not a bold political stance — it is 'loser talk,' an admission of failure. The right cannot convince women to vote for them, so it would rather strip the franchise. She ties this to the parallel push to prosecute women who have abortions, noting that the only objection conservatives consistently voice to that policy is that the polling is bad — not that it would be wrong.
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Tim Miller wraps the episode with what he frames as something to 'ease your mind for the weekend': a quote from a paper by an Anthropic economist stating that with log utility it is optimal to accept a one-in-three chance of ending human existence in exchange for a two-in-3 chance of dramatically raising living standards by a factor of 55. [1] — Tim Miller "An Anthropic economist's paper concluded it is mathematically optimal — using log utility — to accept a 1-in-3 chance of ending all human e…" 1:11:30 The quote lands as a mordant punchline to an episode full of government overreach, deportations, and 30-year sentences for zines — here is the cutting edge of the technology sector's ethics. Tim Miller signs off by thanking Jane Coaston, noting he can now see why she holds the download record, and teasing the podcast's upcoming 250th anniversary. Producer credits for Katie Cooper, Ansley Skipper, Katie Lutz, and Jason Brown follow.
- TPS (Temporary Protected Status)
- A US immigration designation giving nationals of designated countries temporary legal permission to live and work in the US due to unsafe conditions like war or natural disaster.
- Vice signaling
- A term coined by Jane Coaston for the performative display of cruelty or anti-social attitudes to signal authenticity and toughness to a target audience, the inverse of virtue signaling.
- Calvin Ball-style decision
- A reference to the comic-strip game Calvinball, where the rules are made up on the spot; used here to describe a Supreme Court ruling perceived as arbitrary and unprincipled.
- Material support for terrorism
- A federal legal charge covering actions that provide assistance to designated terrorist organizations or activities; used by the Trump administration against ICE protest defendants.
- Log utility
- An economic concept where utility is measured as the logarithm of a quantity, implying that each additional unit of gain matters less as you have more; used in the Anthropic paper's extinction trade-off argument.
- Calvinball
- A fictional game in the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes in which the rules change constantly; invoked metaphorically to describe legal or political reasoning that feels arbitrary.
- Pocket veto
- A presidential tactic where the president neither signs nor vetoes a bill within 10 days while Congress is not in session, causing the bill to die without being enacted.
- Zines
- Self-published, small-circulation pamphlets or magazines, historically associated with underground political movements, punk culture, and DIY media.
- SAVE Act
- A Republican-backed bill requiring proof of citizenship (such as a passport or birth certificate) to register to vote in federal elections.
- YIMBY
- Stands for 'Yes In My Backyard' — a pro-housing-development movement that advocates for building more homes to address affordability crises.
- Gerontocracy
- A system of governance or power structure in which the elderly hold disproportionate authority; used here to describe the dominance of older politicians in Democratic Party leadership.
- Lesbophobia
- Prejudice or discrimination specifically directed at lesbian women; Jane Coaston uses it to describe the subtext of attacks on WNBA players who critique Caitlin Clark.
- René Girard
- A French philosopher and literary critic known for his theories of mimetic desire and scapegoating; cited as an intellectual influence on JD Vance's Catholic conversion journey.
- Looksmaxing
- Internet slang for the practice of optimizing one's physical appearance, often obsessively; used here to describe the conspicuous physique-focused social media presence of politicians like Abe Hamaday.
- Deep Throat
- The pseudonym of the secret Watergate informant (later revealed as FBI Associate Director Mark Felt) who guided Washington Post reporters Woodward and Bernstein in their investigation.
- Blood libel
- A historically antisemitic false accusation that Jews murdered children for ritual purposes; the episode uses the phrase metaphorically to describe the false claim that Haitian immigrants ate cats and dogs.
- Stagflation
- An economic condition combining stagnant growth, high unemployment, and high inflation simultaneously; cited as a key feature of the 1970s that nostalgic commenters tend to forget.
- Tankyism
- Slang for a far-left political stance that defends authoritarian communist regimes; used here loosely to describe any politically pure but completely unachievable ideological position.
Chapter 2 · 01:40
Supreme Court Strips TPS from 300,000 Haitians
Tim Miller opens the substantive portion of the podcast with what he describes as his greatest source of rage that morning: the Supreme Court's TPS decision, which he says effectively retroactively made illegal the status of over 300,000 Haitians who had lived and worked in the US under humanitarian protections. Jane Coaston broadens the frame immediately — the ruling affects Syrians and others too — before zooming in on the ruling's most striking detail: a split-screen between Justice Alito's majority opinion finding no racial animus in Trump's statements and Justice Kagan's dissent, which methodically catalogued Trump's anti-Haitian slurs, including calling Haiti a 'shithole country' and claiming Haitian immigrants were bringing AIDS. Coaston delivers the episode's sharpest early line: the conservative justices can see racism only when it targets them. [1] — Jane Coaston "Samuel Alito once decried anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos but found zero racism in Trump's documented anti-Haitian rhetoric. Conservati…" 03:31 As evidence she notes Alito once complained about the anti-Italian portrayal in The Sopranos — a vivid illustration of the selective outrage at work.
Claims made here
Justice Samuel Alito once publicly complained about anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos but found no racism in Trump's documented anti-Haitian rhetoric in the TPS ruling.
The Supreme Court ruling on TPS stripped legal status from over 300,000 Haitians who had fled their country under humanitarian protections.
The Supreme Court's TPS ruling affects not only Haitians but also people from Syria and other countries on temporary protective status.
Samuel Alito once decried anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos but found zero racism in Trump's documented anti-Haitian rhetoric. Conservative justices can see racism only when it touches them personally — for everyone else, the blinders stay on.
Justice Alito found no racism in Trump's anti-Haitian rhetoric while Justice Kagan's dissent catalogued Trump's explicit slurs — a man who once criticized anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos.
Chapter 4 · 08:50
Megyn Kelly Tells Haitians to Go Home
Tim Miller plays audio of Megyn Kelly telling Haitian immigrants that Americans 'filled this country with our work ethic and our culture and our values' and that the immigrants' presence 'only dilutes it.' Kelly's rant includes the claim that Springfield, Ohio residents are being killed by drunk-driving Haitians — a community she has never visited and whose information she receives only from already-outraged listeners of her own show. Jane Coaston introduces the concept of 'vice signaling': the performative display of cruelty to signal authenticity to an audience that wants to hear it, a financially rational act for Kelly regardless of its accuracy. Coaston notes Kelly was a radically different, softer on-air personality when working for NBC — evidence the persona is strategic. Tim Miller goes further, arguing Kelly has built nothing culturally and has only worked to tear the country apart. [1] — Tim Miller "You didn't build shit. She has not built any lasting cultural touchdown. She's added nothing to the culture. All she's trying to do is rip …" 14:13 He counters the 'we built this' claim by pointing to New Orleans Creole culture as proof of deep Haitian contribution to America, invoking Bess Scott, Blake Griffin, and Pierre Toussaint. The hosts land on 'stolen white people valor' as the defining concept for this kind of identity inflation.
Claims made here
Megyn Kelly played a dramatically different, softer on-air character during her time at NBC, including being supportive of trans children.
Haitian Creole culture is foundational to New Orleans and the broader culture of that city would not exist without Haitian influence.
Many of the Haitian TPS holders have been in the US for approximately 16 years, having arrived following the devastating 2010 earthquake.
Megyn Kelly told Haitian immigrants to 'go back to fucking Haiti' on her show, claiming Americans don't drunk drive and that Haitians dilute the culture. This isn't commentary — it's a profitable performance for an audience that wants to hear it.
Conservative media ran wall-to-wall coverage of World Cup fans getting along across nationalities — including Haitian-American fans dancing with Scottish supporters — while simultaneously cheering mass deportations of Haitian TPS holders. The contradiction ran on the same shows in the same week.
Chapter 6 · 18:10
30 Years for Anarchist Zines: The Prairieland ICE Protest Convictions
On July 4th, 2025, a group of protesters descended on the Prairieland ICE facility in Texas, shooting fireworks, spray-painting graffiti, slashing government van tires, and ultimately — after a federal agent drew his gun — a protester with a rifle shot and wounded the officer. The government then did something remarkable: it prosecuted 22 people, including individuals who were not present. Nine were charged under a Trump executive order designating Antifa a terrorist organization, receiving sentences of 30 to 100 years. [1] — Tim Miller "30–100 year sentences for Antifa protesters: Nine protesters at the Prairieland ICE facility received sentences ranging from 30 to 100 year…" 19:57 Tim Miller walks through the case of Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada, who did not attend the protest at all. His wife did. She called him from jail; the government recorded it. When police later stopped him moving a box of anarchist zines from his home — sticker sheets, tattoo flash, illustrations — those zines were entered as terrorism evidence. He received 30 years. [2] — Tim Miller "Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada never attended the Prairieland ICE protest. He was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years because po…" 20:40 Coaston and Miller draw out the hypocrisy: the same movement defending Kyle Rittenhouse's gun at a protest and screaming about social media censorship as a First Amendment threat is throwing the book at people for printed pamphlets. Elon Musk, the world's most prominent free-speech absolutist, has said nothing.
Claims made here
22 people were prosecuted in connection with the Prairieland ICE protest, including individuals who were not present at the event.
Nine Prairieland ICE protest defendants were charged under Trump's material-support-for-terrorism executive order and received sentences ranging from 30 to 100 years.
The government alleged that 8 of the convicted Prairieland protesters belonged to North Texas Antifa.
Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada did not attend the Prairieland ICE protest and was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years solely based on evidence that he moved a box of anarchist zines from his home.
The Prairieland ICE facility protest occurred on July 4th, 2025 in Texas — involving fireworks, graffiti, tire-slashing, and ultimately a shooting of a federal agent.
The government prosecuted 22 people in connection with the Prairieland ICE protest, including individuals who were not even present at the event.
Nine protesters at the Prairieland ICE facility received sentences ranging from 30 to 100 years under Trump's material-support-for-terrorism executive order.
Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada never attended the Prairieland ICE protest. He was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years because police stopped him moving a box of anarchist zines from his home. His wife had attended the protest; a recorded jail call linked them.
Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years for moving a box of anarchist zines from his home — he did not attend the protest.
The same movement that defended Kyle Rittenhouse's right to carry a rifle to a protest, that screams about First Amendment rights being violated by Facebook, is throwing protesters in prison for 30 to 100 years for leftist literature. It's not libertarianism — it's one rule for us, another for everyone else.
Chapter 7 · 27:40
Minnesota Protester Paul Johnson Shackled in Hospital
Briefly pivoting to a parallel story, Tim Miller raises a New York Times piece about Paul Johnson, a Minnesota protester who says federal agents struck him in the head and then left him shackled in a hospital bed for five days with no ability to reach anyone — woozy from pain medication, alone, incommunicado. Miller describes it as 'horrific' and 'monstrous,' an example of a pattern of government brutality against protesters that is flying below the mainstream media radar. Coaston ties it back to the broader theme of the episode: the same people who couldn't stop talking about the untrustworthiness of the Biden administration are completely credulous about DHS accounts of these incidents.
Claims made here
Paul Johnson, a Minnesota protester, was left shackled in a hospital bed for 5 days, unable to communicate with anyone, after alleged head blows from federal agents.
Paul Johnson, a Minnesota protester, reportedly lay shackled in a hospital bed for 5 days, unable to communicate with anyone, after receiving head blows from federal agents.
Chapter 10 · 33:50
JD Vance at the Nixon Foundation: Watergate Was No Big Deal
The conversation shifts to what Tim Miller calls a 'planned bit': JD Vance at the Nixon Foundation, delivering a pre-meditated rehabilitation of Watergate. Vance's argument, played in audio, is that the scandal would barely register today and that the 'deep state' that destroyed Nixon was the same one that tried to destroy Trump. [1] — Tim Miller "JD Vance told the Nixon Foundation that if Watergate happened today it would be a 12-hour news story, not a presidency-ending scandal. He c…" 34:36 Tim Miller offers a crisp corrective: Nixon's own aides ordered the DNC break-in, Nixon used the CIA to construct a cover-up, a White House slush fund financed the operation, and the president himself was on tape. There was no deep state conspiracy — the deep state was Nixon's. Jane Coaston notes that Vance may simply not know what happened, and that the right's Nixon rehabilitation requires carefully ignoring the EPA, his Black advisory cabinet, and his Ebony magazine interview. The hosts ultimately land on a more chilling reading of Vance's remarks: he isn't making a historical argument. He's announcing that in the Trump era, the government can commit crimes in the open, because the propaganda apparatus and the degraded attention economy will absorb anything.
Claims made here
JD Vance said at the Nixon Foundation that if Watergate happened today it would be only a 12-hour news story and would not bring down a presidency.
Richard Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency and maintained an African American advisory cabinet, even giving a lengthy interview to Ebony magazine about his commitment to Black Americans.
JD Vance told the Nixon Foundation that if Watergate happened today it would be a 12-hour news story, not a presidency-ending scandal. He compared the 'deep state' that brought down Nixon to forces opposing Trump — getting the story exactly backwards.
Vice President JD Vance told the Nixon Foundation that if Watergate happened today it would be a 12-hour news cycle, not enough to bring down a presidency.
Nixon's aides bugged the DNC, used the CIA to cover it up, funded the whole operation with a White House slush fund, and Nixon was caught on his own tapes. The 'deep state' was Nixon's own apparatus — not the investigators. JD Vance got this exactly wrong.
JD Vance's Catholic conversion narrative credits Peter Thiel as a divinely sent emissary who showed him that smart people could be religious.
Chapter 11 · 42:00
JD Vance's Catholic Conversion and Usha's Deadpan
Tim Miller sets up a 'let Jane cook' segment on JD Vance's new book 'Communion,' recounting the conversion narrative: God sent Peter Thiel as a heavenly emissary to show Vance that smart people could be religious, Thiel introduced him to René Girard, and Vance found his way to Catholicism at precisely the moment when cultural Catholicism became most politically advantageous on the American right. Coaston compares it unfavorably to Henry IV's conversion to gain control of Paris — at least that made strategic sense. Even the Wall Street Journal, she notes, flagged the narrative as appearing 'politically incentivized.' Then Tim Miller plays a clip from a joint interview in which Usha Vance is asked about her own spiritual journey. [1] — Usha Vance "I grew up in a Hindu household, a very stable household, and I've not felt the same sense of need to seek something different that he has." 44:58 Her answer — delivered in a notably flat affect — is that she grew up in a stable Hindu household and felt no need to 'seek something different.' Coaston and Miller read this as a pointed, public acknowledgment that the chaos driving JD's faith journey was his problem, not a universal human experience. They close by speculating about what Usha would say in private.
Claims made here
The Wall Street Journal characterized JD Vance's Catholic conversion narrative as appearing 'politically incentivized.'
JD Vance's Catholic conversion happened to coincide exactly with the political moment when cultural Catholicism became most advantageous on the right. Even the Wall Street Journal noted the conversion narrative appeared 'politically incentivized.' His wife's Hindu family, meanwhile, was just fine.
Usha Vance explained in a joint interview that she hasn't felt the need to convert from Hinduism because she grew up in a stable household — a pointed implicit contrast to JD's chaotic Appalachian upbringing and his journey to Catholicism via Peter Thiel.
Chapter 13 · 53:50
Costal Nostalgia Theory: Vanilla Ice and the Golden Age That Never Was
Jane Coaston introduces her theory with characteristic precision: the question to ask anyone claiming the past was better is simply 'were you young and/or hot at the time?' [1] — Jane Coaston "Jane Coaston's Costal Nostalgia Theory: people always think the era when they were young and attractive was civilization's peak. Vanilla Ic…" 54:07 The Atlantic's interview with Vanilla Ice — who believes the early 1990s represent the zenith of human civilization, an era when he was dating Madonna and appearing in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies — provides the purest case study. Coaston expands the theory empirically: comment sections at National Review, the Free Press, and left-leaning publications alike are dominated by early-70-somethings who believe 1977 was paradise, apparently forgetting the Son of Sam, the NYC blackouts, and stagflation. She notes that Saturday Night Fever is the template — a film everyone associates with a great time that is actually an extremely depressing movie. Tim Miller confesses he has Peter Pan syndrome as the exception that proves the rule, which he frames as the active choice to find good things happening now rather than mourning the past. He closes by observing that Joe Rogan, listened to for the first time in a while, has become a grumpy old rich man with no joy left — just complaints about how LA isn't what it used to be.
Jane Coaston's Costal Nostalgia Theory: people always think the era when they were young and attractive was civilization's peak. Vanilla Ice thinks it's the early '90s. Joe Rogan misses old LA. Commenters in their 70s think 1977 was paradise — forgetting stagflation and the Son of Sam.
Jane's Costal Nostalgia Theory holds that people believe their personal golden era is simply when they were young and attractive — Vanilla Ice believes the early 1990s were the peak of civilization.
Chapter 14 · 59:50
Congressman Abe Hamaday and the Aaron Schock Comparison
Tim Miller reads from reporting on Abe Hamaday, the first-term Arizona Republican, who has been living with a senior male staffer described by sources as occupying a role 'closer than a typical member-staffer dynamic.' The staffer was previously a realtor. Hamaday missed floor votes in May 2025 while on a California vacation with the staffer, which he documented on private Instagram. Tim Miller, who covered Arizona extensively during the 2022 cycle and met Hamaday several times, declines to speculate beyond the reported facts, invoking the rule that he is not an outer and that everyone should live their truth — while not taking further questions. Jane Coaston uses the Aaron Schock parallel to do more rhetorical work: Schock's entire political career was brought down by an interior decorator who gave a Washington Post reporter a tour of his Downton Abbey–themed congressional office, leading eventually to his coming out as gay years later. The looksmaxing aesthetic shared between Schock and Hamaday, Coaston notes with deliberate restraint, is worth observing.
First-term Arizona Republican Congressman Abe Hamaday has been living with a senior male former-realtor staffer in a relationship described as 'closer than a typical member-staffer dynamic.' Tim Miller declines to speculate, invoking the Downton Abbey precedent set by Aaron Schock's career-ending interior decorator.
Chapter 16 · 1:06:30
Repealing the 19th Amendment: Loser Talk
Tim Miller reads from Haralabos Voulgaris's tweet calling the 19th Amendment a permanent alteration of the electorate that empowered 'the politics of emotion over order' and arguing the family — not the individual — should be the unit of political representation. Miller notes, with visible relish, that Voulgaris has not found a mate and is frequently seen courtside with younger women. Jane Coaston methodically dismantles the logic: the 19th Amendment has been in place for 106 years, which means every election from Herbert Hoover onward has been conducted under its terms. [1] — Jane Coaston "Could I convince women of my political views? It's loser talk. It's like, we can't win, so we just won't. We just won't do it." 1:08:25 The argument implicitly condemns the Greatest Generation's elections and every midterm since. She then makes the real point: calling for the repeal of women's suffrage is not a bold political stance — it is 'loser talk,' an admission of failure. The right cannot convince women to vote for them, so it would rather strip the franchise. She ties this to the parallel push to prosecute women who have abortions, noting that the only objection conservatives consistently voice to that policy is that the polling is bad — not that it would be wrong.
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Caitlin Clark is currently the second leading scorer on her team and her team is in third place in the conference.
Calls to repeal the 19th Amendment aren't ideology — they're an admission of failure. If you can't persuade women to vote for you after 106 years, the problem isn't suffrage. It's that lots of women vote Republican, fewer than they used to, and the right would rather strip rights than make a better case.
A fringe but growing movement among right-wing figures is calling for repeal of the 19th Amendment — passed 106 years ago — claiming it empowered emotion over order in politics.
Chapter 17 · 1:11:10
The Anthropic Extinction Trade-Off and Outro
Tim Miller wraps the episode with what he frames as something to 'ease your mind for the weekend': a quote from a paper by an Anthropic economist stating that with log utility it is optimal to accept a one-in-three chance of ending human existence in exchange for a two-in-3 chance of dramatically raising living standards by a factor of 55. [1] — Tim Miller "An Anthropic economist's paper concluded it is mathematically optimal — using log utility — to accept a 1-in-3 chance of ending all human e…" 1:11:30 The quote lands as a mordant punchline to an episode full of government overreach, deportations, and 30-year sentences for zines — here is the cutting edge of the technology sector's ethics. Tim Miller signs off by thanking Jane Coaston, noting he can now see why she holds the download record, and teasing the podcast's upcoming 250th anniversary. Producer credits for Katie Cooper, Ansley Skipper, Katie Lutz, and Jason Brown follow.
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An Anthropic economist's paper argued that with log utility it is mathematically optimal to accept a 1-in-3 chance of ending human existence in exchange for a 2-in-3 chance of raising living standards by a factor of 55.
An Anthropic economist's paper concluded it is mathematically optimal — using log utility — to accept a 1-in-3 chance of ending all human existence for a 2-in-3 chance of raising living standards by a factor of 55. This is not a philosophy thought experiment; it's a paper from the company building leading AI systems.
An Anthropic economist's paper argued that with log utility it is optimal to accept a 1-in-3 chance of ending human existence for a 2-in-3 chance of raising living standards by a factor of 55.
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Vice President discussed for his revisionist take on Watergate at the Nixon Foundation and his politically timed conversion to Catholicism.
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Right-wing media host whose on-air rant telling Haitian immigrants to 'go back to Haiti' is used as a case study in 'vice signaling.'
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President whose anti-Haitian rhetoric, material-support-for-terrorism executive order, and Watergate-scale norm-breaking are central to the episode.
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WNBA star whose cultural prominence among older white men is used as a lens to examine race, lesbophobia, and media narratives in women's basketball.
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Former president whose Watergate crimes JD Vance attempted to rehabilitate at the Nixon Foundation.
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First-term Arizona Republican Congressman reported to be living in an unusually close relationship with a senior male staffer, compared to Aaron Schock.
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Former North Carolina governor whose centrist political ad was cited as a model for how Democrats can win in non-coastal states.
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Supreme Court Justice whose majority opinion found no racism in Trump's anti-Haitian rhetoric, contrasted with his past criticism of The Sopranos.
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Second Lady whose deadpan comment about her stable Hindu upbringing was interpreted as an implicit contrast to JD Vance's chaotic background.
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Former Republican congressman who decorated his office in a Downton Abbey theme and later came out as gay; used as a comparison for Abe Hamaday.
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Gambler, podcaster, and sports team owner who publicly called for repeal of the 19th Amendment, arguing it empowered emotion over order in politics.
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1990s rapper cited as the primary case study for Costal Nostalgia Theory — he believes the early '90s were the peak of human civilization.
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Supreme Court Justice whose dissent in the TPS case catalogued Trump's explicit anti-Haitian statements.
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Tech billionaire described in JD Vance's memoir as a divinely sent intellectual guide who helped lead him toward Catholicism.
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Central subject of the episode — over 300,000 Haitian TPS holders had their legal status stripped by the Supreme Court ruling discussed throughout.
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Organization at whose event JD Vance called Watergate a 12-hour story and drew comparisons between Nixon's opponents and Trump's enemies.
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AI company whose economist authored a paper arguing a 1-in-3 chance of human extinction is an acceptable trade-off for dramatically higher living standards.
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Jane Coaston's daily podcast on Crooked Media, mentioned as context for her role as a media personality.
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Ohio city that became a flashpoint for anti-Haitian immigrant rhetoric, with Megyn Kelly claiming its residents were being harmed by TPS holders.
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Texas ICE detention facility where a July 4th, 2025 protest led to terrorism charges and 30-to-100-year prison sentences for 9 protesters.
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The Supreme Court ruling on TPS stripped legal status from over 300,000 Haitians who had been in the US under humanitarian protections.
Justice Samuel Alito once publicly complained about anti-Italian racism in The Sopranos but found no racism in Trump's documented anti-Haitian rhetoric in the TPS ruling.
Christopher Rufo offered a bounty for proof that Haitian immigrants eat cats and/or dogs.
22 people were prosecuted in connection with the Prairieland ICE protest, including individuals who were not present at the event.
Nine Prairieland ICE protest defendants were charged under Trump's material-support-for-terrorism executive order and received sentences ranging from 30 to 100 years.
Daniel 'Dez' Sanchez Estrada did not attend the Prairieland ICE protest and was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 30 years solely based on evidence that he moved a box of anarchist zines from his home.
The government alleged that 8 of the convicted Prairieland protesters belonged to North Texas Antifa.
JD Vance said at the Nixon Foundation that if Watergate happened today it would be only a 12-hour news story and would not bring down a presidency.
Paul Johnson, a Minnesota protester, was left shackled in a hospital bed for 5 days, unable to communicate with anyone, after alleged head blows from federal agents.
Megyn Kelly played a dramatically different, softer on-air character during her time at NBC, including being supportive of trans children.
Haitian Creole culture is foundational to New Orleans and the broader culture of that city would not exist without Haitian influence.
An Anthropic economist's paper argued that with log utility it is mathematically optimal to accept a 1-in-3 chance of ending human existence in exchange for a 2-in-3 chance of raising living standards by a factor of 55.
The Wall Street Journal characterized JD Vance's Catholic conversion narrative as appearing 'politically incentivized.'
Caitlin Clark is currently the second leading scorer on her team and her team is in third place in the conference.
Richard Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency and maintained an African American advisory cabinet, even giving a lengthy interview to Ebony magazine about his commitment to Black Americans.