Analysts consulted by Katty Kay concluded America is in a worse strategic position than before the war because Iran now has greater control of the Strait of Hormuz.
196. Trump’s Iran Deal: One Big American Failure?
Every serious analyst Katty Kay spoke to said America is worse off after the Iran war than before it started — and the deal looks almost identical to the Obama agreement Trump spent years trashing.
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196. Trump’s Iran Deal: One Big American Failure?
Every serious analyst Katty Kay spoke to said America is worse off after the Iran war than before it started — and the deal looks almost identical to the Obama agreement Trump spent years trashing.
TL;DR
Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci dissect Trump's Iran ceasefire deal, arguing it amounts to a strategic loss for America: Iran gains greater control of the Strait of Hormuz, the JCPOA-like outcome undercuts the case for going to war, and global nuclear proliferation risk has risen [1] — Katty Kay "No serious analyst Katty Kay spoke to believes America is better off than it was on February 27th. Iran now has more control of the Strait …" 04:30 . They then pivot to Trump's UFC event on the White House lawn, debating whether it was savvy populist outreach to low-propensity male voters or a sign of a shrinking, ever-more-partisan base [2] — Katty Kay "Young men aged 18–29 were a cornerstone of Trump's 2024 coalition. A June 2026 Economist/YouGov poll shows just 32% approve of his job perf…" 32:55 . Key takeaway: Democrats who sneer at UFC culture do so at their electoral peril.
Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci analyse Trump's Iran ceasefire deal — comparing it to Obama's JCPOA and assessing whether America is better or worse off — then pivot to the cultural and political significance of Trump's UFC White House birthday event.
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The episode opens with a paid ad block. BetterHelp leads with a stat from their 2026 State of Stigma report — surveying 2,000 Americans, it found 85% believe getting mental health support is wise, yet 74% think society discourages people from doing so. The ad promotes their therapist-matching service with 10% off at betterhelp.com/TRIPUS. A Tremfya ad follows, detailing treatment options for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis, and a Sally student-loan spot rounds out the block.
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The show kicks off with Katty Kay buzzing about Team USA's World Cup run before Scaramucci pivots to the Knicks, who have finally won a championship. With genuine emotion, he recalls the last time New York won, watching on a rabbit-ear black-and-white TV at his Nana's apartment — a moment that predates virtually everyone he watched with this time around. Kay playfully suggests New Yorkers can now redirect their energy to soccer. The banter sets a warm, conversational tone before the pair turn to the week's much weightier news.
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The weekend's big news is a ceasefire announcement: mediated by Pakistan and Qatar, a two-page memorandum of understanding will be signed on Friday, opening a 60-day window in which the Strait of Hormuz reopens and nuclear negotiations begin. But Katty Kay's pre-show calls with former Iran negotiators painted a sobering picture — open-ended talks will almost certainly blow past the 60-day deadline, Iran will retain greater control of the strait, and any final deal will look remarkably like the JCPOA Obama negotiated over 20 months across 150 pages [1] — Katty Kay "No serious analyst Katty Kay spoke to believes America is better off than it was on February 27th. Iran now has more control of the Strait …" 04:30 . She also notes that before the bombing campaign, Iran was already offering on February 27th to degrade its highly enriched uranium and ship it out of the country — suggesting the war may not have improved America's opening position at all. The episode's most memorable coinage arrives here: Katty diagnoses Trump with 'Obama Derangement Syndrome,' arguing his entire Iran policy is driven by the compulsion to outshine Barack Obama's deal rather than any strategic logic [2] — Katty Kay "I think that Donald Trump has Obama Derangement Syndrome, and that's what a lot of this was all about." 04:17 .
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Scaramucci insists on fairness and presents the White House's strongest argument: the Strait reopens, oil prices have already responded, and the $300–$400 billion in frozen Iranian assets create mutual incentive for a final deal [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Scaramucci steelmans the White House position: the strait reopens, oil prices fall, and $300–$400 billion in frozen Iranian assets give bot…" 07:34 . The administration will claim the ongoing nuclear talks are the holy grail and that they still plan to achieve Iranian denuclearisation — at a price. But Scaramucci can't sustain the steelman for long. He estimates the war cost a couple of hundred billion dollars directly and around $700 billion in global economic disruption, all while leaving America's Gulf-state alliances destabilised and China — and possibly Russia — meaningfully stronger. The central question he poses: has the United States just reduced itself to a Western hemispheric power?
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The conversation moves from the bilateral Iran deal to the global repercussions. Katty Kay's most alarming argument is structural: the lesson that America has just taught the world is that nuclear weapons provide absolute protection from US military strikes. North Korea has nukes and was left alone; Iran didn't and was bombed [1] — Katty Kay "America bombed Iran but left nuclear-armed North Korea untouched. Every country watching — South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia — just learned …" 10:20 . For any government in Seoul, Tokyo, Riyadh, or Abu Dhabi that previously relied on the American security umbrella, the calculus has shifted — why trust an ally that may not stand by you, when the North Korean model offers ironclad protection? Scaramucci concurs and adds that the Israelis sold Trump on a swift, decisive war and he believed them, setting both nations up for a strategic setback that historians will scrutinise for decades. It's not the Suez Crisis, Scaramucci hedges — but it's genuinely bad.
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Rather than debating the deal on abstract strategic terms, Katty Kay goes back to the source: Trump's own video address on the night he launched the operation, in which he listed six specific goals. Destroy the missiles — not achieved. Destroy the proxies — not achieved. Regime change — not achieved. Annihilate the navy — partly achieved. Raze the missile industry — the intelligence community says about half done. Prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons — the jury is still out [1] — Katty Kay "Trump announced six goals for the Iran operation: destroy the missiles, destroy the proxies, achieve regime change, annihilate the navy, ra…" 15:40 . By Trump's own stated benchmarks, the operation achieved maybe two out of six goals in any substantial way. Katty Kay calls it an emperor-has-no-clothes moment. She also recommends The New York Times Daily for a heartbreaking exploration of the war's human cost on the world's poorest countries — people in South Sudan and Somalia dying because of fertiliser shortages and shut-down aid programmes caused by the conflict.
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Scaramucci does an affectionate but damning impression of how the White House will package the ceasefire: 17 flyovers, red-white-and-blue smoke, self-declared victory over Obama, and universal celebration on Fox News. He's not predicting this because he believes it — he's predicting it because he understands the mechanics. The substance doesn't need to match the story for the story to work, at least within the administration's media ecosystem. The deeper issue, Katty Kay interjects, is that Iran's strengthened position at the Strait of Hormuz is not a frozen asset — it's a live weapon. The moment Israel decides to bomb Beirut again, what stops Tehran from simply closing the strait once more? The 'win' the White House is selling comes with a loaded gun pointed back at global oil markets.
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The second half opens with Katty Kay plugging the upcoming North America tour. She and Scaramucci will appear in Atlanta, Boston, Toronto, Minneapolis, Chicago, New York, and Washington DC, taking questions from live audiences. Scaramucci muses — only half-jokingly — about whether a presidential tweet would help or hurt ticket sales, and the pair briefly consider whether to invite Trump himself on stage. Tickets are available at therestispoliticsus.com.
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The White House UFC event was, on its surface, a spectacle: a $60 million production held on the South Lawn with 85,000 tickets distributed, many to military personnel. But Scaramucci unpacks its three layers. Financially, the event was underwritten by commercial logos and advertising — the first time the White House lawn has ever been used as a branded venue. Trump personally bought shares in TKO, the UFC's parent company, before the event while promoting it, a brazen conflict of interest [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Trump bought TKO stock before the UFC event, used the White House South Lawn as a branded advertising platform for the first time in Americ…" 28:25 . Culturally, it was a deliberate play for what Scaramucci calls 'Murica — the Bud Light, pickup truck, big-flag constituency that drove Trump's 2024 coalition. And it arrived precisely when a June 2026 Economist/YouGov poll showed Trump is 34 points underwater among men aged 18–29 — the very voters the UFC is designed to reach [2] — Katty Kay "Young men aged 18–29 were a cornerstone of Trump's 2024 coalition. A June 2026 Economist/YouGov poll shows just 32% approve of his job perf…" 32:55 . Even Joe Rogan, who attended and held the microphone for the fighter who directed a slur at Michelle Obama, called the event unwise.
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The UFC conversation deepens into a broader reckoning with American cultural politics. Katty Kay is unambiguous: part of the reason Trump won was because liberals sneered at conservative America, and the UFC event was engineered to prove exactly that point [1] — Katty Kay "Part of the reason Donald Trump got elected was because liberals sneered at conservative America." 31:52 . The overt nationalism, hyper-masculinity, and deliberate torching of elite sensibilities are features, not bugs. But she complicates the liberal-versus-conservative binary: the world on display at the White House on Sunday night would be utterly alien to George Will, William F. Buckley, or Mitt Romney [2] — Katty Kay "The UFC spectacle is not just baffling to coastal liberals — it's alien to old-school Republicans like George Will, Bill Buckley, and Mitt …" 32:20 . The traditional Republican Party — Heritage Foundation black-tie dinners, country club conservatism — has been as thoroughly evicted from its home as any progressive. And Scaramucci adds his most striking observation: Trump has successfully hijacked American patriotism itself, so that wearing a flag pin now signals MAGA rather than mere love of country, in a way that Gerald Ford's bipartisan 1976 bicentennial never did.
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The final chapter turns from diagnosis to prescription. Scaramucci implores Democrats not to write off the 80 million Americans who voted for Trump — many of whose parents and grandparents voted Democratic — by dismissing everything the UFC represents. The key question for 2026, he argues, is whether the midterms are fought on culture or corruption. Katty Kay is clear: forget impeachment, go after the corruption [1] — Katty Kay "Katty Kay's advice to Democrats is blunt: drop impeachment, focus on corruption. The UFC event handed them a gift — Trump visibly trading s…" 39:45 . The UFC event delivered an almost absurdly legible example — Trump publicly trading stock in a company he's promoting from the South Lawn of the White House. That's the message, she argues, that cuts across tribal lines. Scaramucci closes with the line that perhaps best captures the Trump era's paradox: he cannot understand how a thrice-married man with documented ties to Jeffrey Epstein became the anointed champion of the religious right — but he gives Trump credit for pulling it off, calling it 'the con of the con on top of the con.' The show ends with a teaser for the bonus episode on Anthropic and the Trump administration's relationship with AI.
- JCPOA
- Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — the 2015 Obama-era Iran nuclear deal, 150 pages long and negotiated over 20 months, which Trump withdrew from in 2018.
- Memorandum of Understanding (MOU)
- A non-binding preliminary document outlining the intent of two parties to negotiate a formal agreement; the hosts stress this is not yet a deal.
- Strait of Hormuz
- A narrow waterway between Iran and Oman through which roughly 20% of the world's oil supply passes; blockading it is Iran's primary economic leverage.
- Highly enriched uranium
- Uranium refined to weapons-grade purity (90%+ U-235); Iran's stockpile of it is the central concern in nuclear negotiations.
- TKO
- The publicly traded parent company of the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) and WWE; Trump purchased shares in it before promoting the White House fight event.
- Nuclear proliferation
- The spread of nuclear weapons or weapons-grade materials to additional countries; the hosts argue the Iran war has increased this risk globally.
- ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome)
- A term coined by Katty Kay in this episode to describe Trump's compulsive need to outdo and erase Barack Obama's policy legacy, particularly on Iran.
- Low-propensity voter
- A person eligible to vote who rarely or inconsistently participates in elections; Scaramucci argues the UFC event was designed to attract this demographic.
- Color Guard
- A ceremonial military unit that carries national and military flags at official events; its use at the UFC event was criticised as blurring military and partisan spectacle.
- Suez Crisis
- The 1956 geopolitical disaster in which Britain and France's ill-conceived military intervention in Egypt destroyed their global standing; invoked as the benchmark for US strategic overreach.
- Neuroplasticity
- The brain's ability to reorganise and adapt; Scaramucci uses Benjamin Franklin's alleged appreciation of the concept as an analogy for societal adaptability.
- Jingoism
- Extreme, belligerent nationalism often expressed through aggressive foreign policy rhetoric; Scaramucci warns Trump's flag-branding risks being read as jingoistic.
- Plattner America
- A reference to Jon Ossoff's 2026 Maine Senate primary challenger, used by Scaramucci to argue the UFC's cultural demographic extends into electoral politics.
- No-bid contract
- A government contract awarded to a single company without a competitive bidding process; cited in the context of the reflecting pool renovation at the National Mall.
Chapter 3 · 03:18
Breaking Down the Trump-Iran Ceasefire Deal
The weekend's big news is a ceasefire announcement: mediated by Pakistan and Qatar, a two-page memorandum of understanding will be signed on Friday, opening a 60-day window in which the Strait of Hormuz reopens and nuclear negotiations begin. But Katty Kay's pre-show calls with former Iran negotiators painted a sobering picture — open-ended talks will almost certainly blow past the 60-day deadline, Iran will retain greater control of the strait, and any final deal will look remarkably like the JCPOA Obama negotiated over 20 months across 150 pages [1] — Katty Kay "No serious analyst Katty Kay spoke to believes America is better off than it was on February 27th. Iran now has more control of the Strait …" 04:30 . She also notes that before the bombing campaign, Iran was already offering on February 27th to degrade its highly enriched uranium and ship it out of the country — suggesting the war may not have improved America's opening position at all. The episode's most memorable coinage arrives here: Katty diagnoses Trump with 'Obama Derangement Syndrome,' arguing his entire Iran policy is driven by the compulsion to outshine Barack Obama's deal rather than any strategic logic [2] — Katty Kay "I think that Donald Trump has Obama Derangement Syndrome, and that's what a lot of this was all about." 04:17 .
Claims made here
The Obama-era JCPOA nuclear deal was 150 pages long and took 20 months to negotiate.
On February 27th, before the bombing campaign, Iran was offering to degrade its highly enriched uranium and ship it out of the country.
Trump's core problem with any Iran deal is having to sell it as better than Obama's JCPOA — a 150-page agreement negotiated over 20 months with watertight verification. The new deal is two pages and counting. Katty Kay diagnoses this as Obama Derangement Syndrome.
No serious analyst Katty Kay spoke to believes America is better off than it was on February 27th. Iran now has more control of the Strait of Hormuz, the deal looks nearly identical to the Obama-era JCPOA, and the $700 billion global economic disruption was for nothing.
The memorandum of understanding starts a 60-day period during which the Strait of Hormuz reopens and nuclear negotiations begin — but analysts expect talks to blow past that deadline.
Obama's JCPOA nuclear deal was 150 pages long and took 20 months to negotiate, with exhaustive verification processes — the new deal is a two-page memo.
Scaramucci steelmans the White House position: the strait reopens, oil prices fall, and $300–$400 billion in frozen Iranian assets give both sides an incentive to deal. But he immediately concedes the real price: America's Gulf alliances are disrupted and China grows stronger.
Anthony Scaramucci estimates Trump will ultimately release $300–$400 billion in frozen Iranian assets as part of any final deal.
Before the bombing campaign, on February 27th, Iran was already offering to degrade its highly enriched uranium and ship it out of the country — a deal arguably better than what emerged.
Chapter 4 · 10:00
Scaramucci Steelmans — Then Dismantles — the White House Position
Scaramucci insists on fairness and presents the White House's strongest argument: the Strait reopens, oil prices have already responded, and the $300–$400 billion in frozen Iranian assets create mutual incentive for a final deal [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Scaramucci steelmans the White House position: the strait reopens, oil prices fall, and $300–$400 billion in frozen Iranian assets give bot…" 07:34 . The administration will claim the ongoing nuclear talks are the holy grail and that they still plan to achieve Iranian denuclearisation — at a price. But Scaramucci can't sustain the steelman for long. He estimates the war cost a couple of hundred billion dollars directly and around $700 billion in global economic disruption, all while leaving America's Gulf-state alliances destabilised and China — and possibly Russia — meaningfully stronger. The central question he poses: has the United States just reduced itself to a Western hemispheric power?
Claims made here
Iran was not in breach of the JCPOA before Trump withdrew from it.
The Iran war caused an estimated $700 billion in global economic disruption, in addition to direct war costs of a couple hundred billion dollars.
America bombed Iran but left nuclear-armed North Korea untouched. Every country watching — South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia — just learned the same lesson: the only guarantee against American military action is a nuclear weapon of your own.
Countries like South Korea, Japan, and Saudi Arabia may now conclude they need their own nuclear deterrent, since North Korea (which has nukes) was not attacked while Iran (which didn't) was.
Scaramucci estimated the Iran war caused roughly a couple hundred billion dollars in direct costs and a $700 billion disruption to the global economy.
Chapter 5 · 12:40
Nuclear Proliferation: The World's Scariest Lesson
The conversation moves from the bilateral Iran deal to the global repercussions. Katty Kay's most alarming argument is structural: the lesson that America has just taught the world is that nuclear weapons provide absolute protection from US military strikes. North Korea has nukes and was left alone; Iran didn't and was bombed [1] — Katty Kay "America bombed Iran but left nuclear-armed North Korea untouched. Every country watching — South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia — just learned …" 10:20 . For any government in Seoul, Tokyo, Riyadh, or Abu Dhabi that previously relied on the American security umbrella, the calculus has shifted — why trust an ally that may not stand by you, when the North Korean model offers ironclad protection? Scaramucci concurs and adds that the Israelis sold Trump on a swift, decisive war and he believed them, setting both nations up for a strategic setback that historians will scrutinise for decades. It's not the Suez Crisis, Scaramucci hedges — but it's genuinely bad.
Iran has been observing American patterns in the Middle East for 25 years and used that knowledge to draw Trump into an unwinnable war. Historians, Scaramucci predicts, will write that this was a major US miscalculation — not a Suez-level disaster, but a serious strategic wound.
Trump announced six goals for the Iran operation: destroy the missiles, destroy the proxies, achieve regime change, annihilate the navy, raze the missile industry, and stop nuclear weapons. By Katty Kay's count, only roughly two were substantially achieved.
Trump set 6 stated goals for the Iran operation; by Katty Kay's count, only a couple were substantially achieved.
Chapter 6 · 15:50
Grading Trump Against His Own Six Goals
Rather than debating the deal on abstract strategic terms, Katty Kay goes back to the source: Trump's own video address on the night he launched the operation, in which he listed six specific goals. Destroy the missiles — not achieved. Destroy the proxies — not achieved. Regime change — not achieved. Annihilate the navy — partly achieved. Raze the missile industry — the intelligence community says about half done. Prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons — the jury is still out [1] — Katty Kay "Trump announced six goals for the Iran operation: destroy the missiles, destroy the proxies, achieve regime change, annihilate the navy, ra…" 15:40 . By Trump's own stated benchmarks, the operation achieved maybe two out of six goals in any substantial way. Katty Kay calls it an emperor-has-no-clothes moment. She also recommends The New York Times Daily for a heartbreaking exploration of the war's human cost on the world's poorest countries — people in South Sudan and Somalia dying because of fertiliser shortages and shut-down aid programmes caused by the conflict.
Claims made here
The New York Times Daily podcast ran a segment on the boomerang effect of the Iran war, interviewing people in South Sudan and Somalia affected by lack of fertiliser, high diesel prices, and shut aid programmes.
Chapter 7 · 18:20
How the White House Plans to Sell It as a Win
Scaramucci does an affectionate but damning impression of how the White House will package the ceasefire: 17 flyovers, red-white-and-blue smoke, self-declared victory over Obama, and universal celebration on Fox News. He's not predicting this because he believes it — he's predicting it because he understands the mechanics. The substance doesn't need to match the story for the story to work, at least within the administration's media ecosystem. The deeper issue, Katty Kay interjects, is that Iran's strengthened position at the Strait of Hormuz is not a frozen asset — it's a live weapon. The moment Israel decides to bomb Beirut again, what stops Tehran from simply closing the strait once more? The 'win' the White House is selling comes with a loaded gun pointed back at global oil markets.
Chapter 10 · 26:55
The UFC White House Event: Culture, Commerce & Corruption
The White House UFC event was, on its surface, a spectacle: a $60 million production held on the South Lawn with 85,000 tickets distributed, many to military personnel. But Scaramucci unpacks its three layers. Financially, the event was underwritten by commercial logos and advertising — the first time the White House lawn has ever been used as a branded venue. Trump personally bought shares in TKO, the UFC's parent company, before the event while promoting it, a brazen conflict of interest [1] — Anthony Scaramucci "Trump bought TKO stock before the UFC event, used the White House South Lawn as a branded advertising platform for the first time in Americ…" 28:25 . Culturally, it was a deliberate play for what Scaramucci calls 'Murica — the Bud Light, pickup truck, big-flag constituency that drove Trump's 2024 coalition. And it arrived precisely when a June 2026 Economist/YouGov poll showed Trump is 34 points underwater among men aged 18–29 — the very voters the UFC is designed to reach [2] — Katty Kay "Young men aged 18–29 were a cornerstone of Trump's 2024 coalition. A June 2026 Economist/YouGov poll shows just 32% approve of his job perf…" 32:55 . Even Joe Rogan, who attended and held the microphone for the fighter who directed a slur at Michelle Obama, called the event unwise.
Claims made here
The White House UFC event cost $60 million, offset by commercial logos and advertising on the South Lawn — the first time this had happened at the White House.
The UFC estimates it lost $30 million on the White House event but gained approximately half a billion dollars in brand value from the exposure.
Trump purchased shares in TKO, the parent company of the UFC, before the White House fight event while simultaneously promoting it.
Trump bought TKO stock before the UFC event, used the White House South Lawn as a branded advertising platform for the first time in American history, and deployed the Marine Color Guard as event props. Even Joe Rogan, who attended, called it unwise.
The UFC event cost $60 million, offset by White House South Lawn advertising; the UFC says it lost $30 million but gained an estimated half-billion in brand value.
Trump bought shares in TKO, the company that owns the UFC, before the White House fight event — while simultaneously promoting it — raising obvious conflict-of-interest concerns.
The UFC event on the White House lawn wasn't just a birthday party — it was a cultural declaration aimed at low-propensity male voters who rarely engage with politics. Scaramucci argues liberals who sneer at it are writing off 55–60% of the country.
The UFC spectacle is not just baffling to coastal liberals — it's alien to old-school Republicans like George Will, Bill Buckley, and Mitt Romney. That traditional wing of the GOP has been evicted from its own party and has nowhere to go.
Chapter 11 · 32:40
Liberals, Conservatives, and the Culture Divide
The UFC conversation deepens into a broader reckoning with American cultural politics. Katty Kay is unambiguous: part of the reason Trump won was because liberals sneered at conservative America, and the UFC event was engineered to prove exactly that point [1] — Katty Kay "Part of the reason Donald Trump got elected was because liberals sneered at conservative America." 31:52 . The overt nationalism, hyper-masculinity, and deliberate torching of elite sensibilities are features, not bugs. But she complicates the liberal-versus-conservative binary: the world on display at the White House on Sunday night would be utterly alien to George Will, William F. Buckley, or Mitt Romney [2] — Katty Kay "The UFC spectacle is not just baffling to coastal liberals — it's alien to old-school Republicans like George Will, Bill Buckley, and Mitt …" 32:20 . The traditional Republican Party — Heritage Foundation black-tie dinners, country club conservatism — has been as thoroughly evicted from its home as any progressive. And Scaramucci adds his most striking observation: Trump has successfully hijacked American patriotism itself, so that wearing a flag pin now signals MAGA rather than mere love of country, in a way that Gerald Ford's bipartisan 1976 bicentennial never did.
Claims made here
Trump's approval rating is 21 points underwater with men overall and 34 points underwater with men aged 18–29, with only 32% approval in that demographic.
Trump gave out 85,000 free tickets to the White House UFC event, including many to military personnel.
Young men aged 18–29 were a cornerstone of Trump's 2024 coalition. A June 2026 Economist/YouGov poll shows just 32% approve of his job performance, with 66% disapproving — a 34-point deficit in the very demographic he wooed with the UFC event.
The same Economist/YouGov poll showed Trump is 21 points underwater with men overall, a massive turnaround from 2024.
An Economist/YouGov poll from early June 2026 showed Trump's job approval is 34 points underwater among men aged 18–29, with just 32% approving.
Scaramucci remembers the 1976 bicentennial as a genuinely bipartisan celebration where wearing a flag was just patriotism. Today, thanks to Trump, a flag pin reads as MAGA. He has turned the most universal American symbol into a tribal marker — and that transformation is irreversible.
Trump distributed 85,000 free tickets to the White House UFC event, including many to military personnel, giving it a populist rather than elite appearance.
Chapter 12 · 36:00
Democrats, Midterms, and the Road Back
The final chapter turns from diagnosis to prescription. Scaramucci implores Democrats not to write off the 80 million Americans who voted for Trump — many of whose parents and grandparents voted Democratic — by dismissing everything the UFC represents. The key question for 2026, he argues, is whether the midterms are fought on culture or corruption. Katty Kay is clear: forget impeachment, go after the corruption [1] — Katty Kay "Katty Kay's advice to Democrats is blunt: drop impeachment, focus on corruption. The UFC event handed them a gift — Trump visibly trading s…" 39:45 . The UFC event delivered an almost absurdly legible example — Trump publicly trading stock in a company he's promoting from the South Lawn of the White House. That's the message, she argues, that cuts across tribal lines. Scaramucci closes with the line that perhaps best captures the Trump era's paradox: he cannot understand how a thrice-married man with documented ties to Jeffrey Epstein became the anointed champion of the religious right — but he gives Trump credit for pulling it off, calling it 'the con of the con on top of the con.' The show ends with a teaser for the bonus episode on Anthropic and the Trump administration's relationship with AI.
Katty Kay's advice to Democrats is blunt: drop impeachment, focus on corruption. The UFC event handed them a gift — Trump visibly trading stocks in a company he's promoting from the White House lawn is corruption made tangible for every voter.
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President who launched the Iran bombing campaign and is now attempting to spin the ceasefire as a strategic victory; also hosted the UFC White House event.
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His JCPOA nuclear deal is the benchmark against which Trump's Iran agreement is repeatedly measured, with the hosts concluding the new deal is inferior.
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Attended the White House UFC event and held the microphone for the fighter who made a slur about Michelle Obama; called the event 'unwise.'
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Founder and CEO of the UFC; accompanied Trump at the White House event, walking the Presidential Wall of Fame with him.
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Presidential historian consulted by Katty Kay, who argued the Iran deal will be judged entirely on whether Iran ends up nuclear-armed.
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Mentioned as likely having cheered the offensive slur made about Michelle Obama during the White House UFC event.
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Hosted a fight event on the White House South Lawn for Trump's 80th birthday, raising questions about commercialisation of the presidency.
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Parent company of the UFC; Trump purchased its shares before the White House fight event while simultaneously promoting it, raising conflict-of-interest concerns.
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Central subject of the episode; the US bombed Iran, and the resulting ceasefire memorandum is analysed as a strategic loss for America.
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The critical oil shipping chokepoint that Iran blockaded and whose reopening is the primary deliverable of the ceasefire memorandum.
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Excluded from Iran negotiations but blamed by Scaramucci for convincing Trump the war would be quick and victorious; its future actions toward Lebanon could reignite conflict.
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Trump's name was removed from the Kennedy Center in a moment described as emblematic of how he takes over institutions, puts his name on them, and then damages them.
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Cited as proof that possessing nuclear weapons deters US military action, fuelling fears of global nuclear proliferation after the Iran war.
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Cited as a Gulf state ally whose confidence in the American security umbrella has been shaken, potentially driving it toward its own nuclear deterrent.
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Alongside Pakistan, Qatar helped mediate the Iran ceasefire memorandum of understanding.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
BetterHelp's 2026 State of Stigma report found that 85% of people believe getting mental health support is wise, but 74% think society discourages people from doing so.
The Obama-era JCPOA nuclear deal was 150 pages long and took 20 months to negotiate.
Iran was not in breach of the JCPOA before Trump withdrew from it.
On February 27th, before the bombing campaign, Iran was offering to degrade its highly enriched uranium and ship it out of the country.
Trump's approval rating is 21 points underwater with men overall and 34 points underwater with men aged 18–29, with only 32% approval in that demographic.
Trump purchased shares in TKO, the parent company of the UFC, before the White House fight event while simultaneously promoting it.
The UFC estimates it lost $30 million on the White House event but gained approximately half a billion dollars in brand value from the exposure.
The White House UFC event cost $60 million, offset by commercial logos and advertising on the South Lawn — the first time this had happened at the White House.
Trump gave out 85,000 free tickets to the White House UFC event, including many to military personnel.
The Iran war caused an estimated $700 billion in global economic disruption, in addition to direct war costs of a couple hundred billion dollars.
Analysts consulted by Katty Kay concluded America is in a worse strategic position than before the war because Iran now has greater control of the Strait of Hormuz.
The New York Times Daily podcast ran a segment on the boomerang effect of the Iran war, interviewing people in South Sudan and Somalia affected by lack of fertiliser, high diesel prices, and shut aid programmes.