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Robby Hoffman Will Always Feel Poor, No Matter How Rich She Gets

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The Raspberry Test: How Poverty Rewires You Emotionally

At 5:21 · chapter starts 5:00

Garcia-Navarro pushes on what has stayed with Hoffman from her years of struggle, sharing that her own mother — a Cuban political refugee — became a hoarder because she lost everything young. Hoffman responds that everything stays: 'The way that I am is entirely informed by how I grew up.' She explains why she and her wife Gabby Windey are so well-matched — both grew up with 'meager beginnings' and speak the same financial language. The raspberry story arrives almost as a throwaway detail but lands as the episode's most memorable image: raspberries at $7.99 are simply criminal to Hoffman, not because she can't afford them, but because she is not emotionally in a place to justify the expense. She traces this back to her great-uncle in Montreal, who stopped leaving his room once gas reached a dollar per litre — a man whose poverty had so conditioned his behaviour that a marginal price increase became a complete shutdown. Garcia-Navarro, clearly delighted, presses her on what 'not emotionally in a place' means, and Hoffman elaborates on how she handles purchases: take a little off the top for something she loves, be careful with the rest.

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