About 1 in 3 women face barriers to accessing prescription birth control in the U.S.
Giggling about an emergency press conference
Hannah Berner got masseter Dysport at a walk-in clinic on a whim and lost her smile for weeks — right before the biggest TV gig of her career.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about an emergency press conference
Hannah Berner got masseter Dysport at a walk-in clinic on a whim and lost her smile for weeks — right before the biggest TV gig of her career.
TL;DR
Hannah Berner drops an emergency press conference to reveal she got masseter Dysport injected at an unfamiliar clinic and woke up days later unable to smile properly — just weeks before a major 3-week TV hosting gig in Toronto [1] — Hannah Berner "Hannah got masseter Dysport at a clinic she did zero research on, and days later her smile stopped working — right before a 3-week TV hosti…" 01:39 . Paige DeSorbo recounts a $500 astrology reading predicting her best manifestation year ever, and the two spiral into discussions about actors kissing on set, baby name sabotage by exes, and Taylor Swift's rumored Madison Square Garden wedding [2] — Paige DeSorbo "Javier Bardem is filming kiss scenes with Kate Hudson all over NYC, and Hannah can't stop thinking about it. Paige drops the surprising tak…" 43:26 . The key takeaway: always do your research before a cosmetic procedure, even a "medical" one.
Hannah Berner holds an emergency press conference to reveal she got masseter Dysport at an unfamiliar clinic and lost her smile just before a 3-week Toronto TV hosting gig. Paige DeSorbo recounts her $500 astrology reading, and the two discuss actors kissing on set, baby names ruined by exes, and Taylor Swift's rumored MSG wedding.
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The episode opens with two sponsor reads before Hannah and Paige say a word. The Opill ad makes the case for over-the-counter birth control, citing the statistic that 1 in 3 women face barriers to prescription access, while touting the pill's FDA approval and 98% efficacy. YPB by Abercrombie follows with a lifestyle pitch around buttery-soft active sets perfect for Pilates, outdoor walks, and brunch — all squarely in the Giggly Squad demographic. Both reads are polished and concise, setting the commercial framing before the hosts dive into chaos.
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The moment the sponsors clear, Hannah wastes no time: she has something to confess, and it's not funny. Well — it kind of is. Paige admits she's been giggling about it privately for weeks, which Hannah begrudgingly accepts as the silver lining. Hannah sets the philosophical stage by noting that the whole point of Giggly Squad is collective learning from shared mistakes — and with signature self-awareness, concedes that in all their episodes, neither host has absorbed a single lesson. Paige co-signs: 'We haven't learned a goddamn thing.' The setup is perfectly calibrated — silly enough to feel light, honest enough to carry real weight.
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Here's the story in full: Hannah went to get masseter Dysport for her TMJ — a procedure she'd had twice before, just at a different place — without looking anything up, without providing a medical history, and with a gut feeling she politely ignored. [1] — Hannah Berner "Hannah got masseter Dysport at a clinic she did zero research on, and days later her smile stopped working — right before a 3-week TV hosti…" 01:39 When she woke up and tried to smile a few days later, something was wrong. She put lotion on her face, assuming dry skin. She went to an interview, still feeling off. Then reality hit. The injector, initially cheerful, started to panic when Hannah mentioned her upcoming 3-week Toronto TV hosting gig — because Dysport peaks at two weeks. Hannah sought a second opinion in Westhampton, got saline solution injected across her face as a remediation attempt, and then came home, went to Pilates, and wound up in a sauna alone on Reddit at 3 AM reading accounts of people who couldn't smile for six months.
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Going to Pilates turns out to be an adventure when your resting expression reads as pure contempt. [1] — Hannah Berner "Losing your smile isn't just cosmetic — it rewires how you move through the world. Hannah talks about feeling like a bitch at the grocery s…" 17:50 A fan recognized Hannah mid-class, received a neutral stare in return, and Hannah had to preemptively explain her broken face to everyone around her. Meanwhile, Paige was receiving a running commentary of FaceTime updates — including the alarming research finding that an inability to smile is scientifically linked to depression. Hannah describes the deeper social texture of the experience: buying things at stores and being perceived as a bitch, trying to do mercy laughs that no longer work, and looking at other people's smiles with the same desperate longing a sick person feels for a clear nostril. She also checked the Giggly YouTube comments, where fans were already noticing something was off — with one commenter kindly defending her: 'She's probably going through something.'
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When the Reddit rabbit hole and the dark thoughts got too heavy, Hannah drove to her mom's. Her mom's response to seeing Hannah's face was immediate: 'Maybe don't smile.' That's when Hannah's mom tricked her into running a 5K — partly to get her out of her own head, partly so she could watch her do the national anthem. Hannah showed up in Coco Gauff tennis shoes holding two Arizona Iced Teas and a banana, looking miserable, and the internet focused entirely on the footwear. She hasn't cried once during the whole ordeal, she tells Paige — she processes through self-directed anger rather than sadness. But when she steps back, the picture is still okay: no cancer, Butter the cat is fine, she's tan, and her speech is improving when she enunciates slowly. Paige helped by role-playing with her the night before — refusing to look at Hannah while she delivered a monologue, to confirm she still sounded great.
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Paige takes the BetterHelp read, tying it naturally to the episode's emotional undercurrent — the stigma of asking for help, the normalizing value of talking about mental health, and the platform's 30,000+ therapist network serving over 6 million people globally. The listener gets 10% off at betterhelp.com/gigglysquad. Kachava follows with its travel nutrition pack pitch, emphasizing fiber alongside protein (a pointed differentiator) and its clean ingredients list. Bombas closes the block with sport-specific socks — sweat-wicking, blister-fighting, arch-supported — and 20% off at bombas.com/audio with code AUDIO. All three reads are delivered smoothly and tie loosely to the hosts' active lifestyle aesthetic.
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Hannah delivers a punchy QWO ad emphasizing that missed calls mean lost revenue, and QWO's unified inbox — shared across any team member, on any device — means you never miss an opportunity. The built-in AI agent handles after-hours calls and appointment booking. The read is brief, functional, and closes with a clear CTA: try QWO free plus 20% off at qwo.com/tech.
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Fresh from a $500 astrology reading, Paige arrives at recording both rattled and energized. [1] — Paige DeSorbo "Paige dropped $500 on an hour-long astrology chart reading and came out knowing she's in year 7 of a brutal 9-year cycle — but next year is…" 26:00 The astrologer — whom she'll put in the newsletter — laid out a 9-year cycle framework where years 2 and 7 are universally the hardest. Paige is currently in year 7. The saving grace: next year is her strongest manifestation year ever, with off-the-charts powers of intention. She says she mentally 'blacked out' during the hour-long session from information overload, so she has to relisten to the recording he sent her. The most emotionally resonant moment: he told her all three of her zodiac signs correspond to the 'adult' archetype — she has never had an inner child, doesn't do crybaby, and was running a fake company called Teeter-Totter at recess. He also touched on fertility, saying motherhood has 'free range' in her chart and will be the first time she ever feels truly fulfilled. Hannah almost cries.
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Hannah takes the PetSmart read with genuine enthusiasm, tying it to her dedication to Daphne and Butter — because celebrating a cat's birthday is 'a need, not a want.' The ad covers in-store, online, and auto-ship options. Paige follows with the Experian Boost read, framing it around the relatable frustration of paying bills on time for years without seeing it reflected in your credit score. The product adds qualifying recurring payments to your Experian credit file and instantly updates your FICO score — by an average of 14 points for users who received a boost. The read also cleverly uses a dating analogy: 'Red flag, he Venmo requests you for coffee. Green flag, he raises his FICO score with Experian Boost.'
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Paige leans into the Life360 read by confessing her real use case: tracking her parents when they don't answer her calls. The app's location-sharing features, place alerts, and scheduling utility are pitched as peace of mind for the whole family. Sephora's read follows, with Paige spotlighting three trending products she's personally using: the One/Size Liquid Blotting Paper Spray (the first blotting spray that mattifies for 8 hours), Summer Fridays Shade Drops SPF 50, and Kayali Eden Blush Pear fragrance, which apparently prompted three separate people to ask what she was wearing in a single outing.
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Javier Bardem and Kate Hudson are making out all over New York City for a movie, and Hannah can't stop thinking about Penélope Cruz. [1] — Paige DeSorbo "Javier Bardem is filming kiss scenes with Kate Hudson all over NYC, and Hannah can't stop thinking about it. Paige drops the surprising tak…" 43:26 She launches a full role-play in which Hannah plays Bardem trying to explain the situation and Paige plays the increasingly unmoved partner. The conversation expands into which professions statistically lend themselves to infidelity — professional athletes, A-list actors — and whether on-screen romance ever becomes truly mundane. Paige's most surprising insight: if your partner comes home complaining about their love interest, that's the red flag. You should feel completely neutral about a co-star. Feeling nothing means the work is just work. Hannah backs her up, recalling a tennis shoot where she had to smile at a male model for five minutes and briefly wondered if he was her husband.
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The conversation drifts toward future children and baby names, where Hannah and Paige discover a shared grievance: past relationships make it impossible to use certain names. Hannah's version is especially brutal — she only dates men with names she actually likes, so every attractive name she'd ever consider has now been emotionally compromised. Paige went through an ex's phone once and found a girl with her all-time favorite baby name — she never recovered. She also reveals she dated someone named Desmond in college, an Irish-eyed boy who rang the doorbell to pick her up for dinner and gave her a proper summer fling at age 20. Hannah's proposed rule for her own future children: no names that require a nickname, because she refuses to let her kids waste precious seconds of their lives explaining 'it's short for Francine.'
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Hannah opens this section with genuine confusion about why every person in media seems to be in Cannes simultaneously — including for an advertising festival — when you could just do a Zoom. Paige notes that everything is a festival now. The segue into Taylor Swift feels natural: both are spectacles that raise questions about necessity and scale. But Paige's position here is a full reversal from prior skepticism. [1] — Paige DeSorbo "Paige admits she previously rolled her eyes at Taylor Swift's rumored Madison Square Garden wedding but has fully come around. The security…" 52:50 She walks through her reasoning: MSG is arguably the most iconic arena in the best city in the world. The security detail would be impenetrable to paparazzi. Swift has performed there and probably sold it out early in her career, making it personally meaningful. And as a billionaire, she has the resources to make it look like a completely different venue entirely. Hannah imagines Travis Kelce turning to Swift mid-reception and whispering: 'We forgot to say I do.' Paige says her own wedding vision is getting chiller by the year — she just needs enough outfit changes and one perfect drone shot.
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Hannah wraps with real emotion: knowing the Gigglers are now in on what she's going through lifts something heavy from her. She mentions that besides her mom, Paige, and Butter the cat, she has felt genuinely isolated this past week — and this episode was as much therapy as content. Before signing off, she rallies the audience to watch Des's Hulu comedy special dropping Friday, encouraging listeners to send it to any man in their lives. Paige admits she DMed Des the 'hands up' emoji because she didn't know what else to say — classic Scorpio. Hannah signs off with a quiet, heartfelt 'I love you guys,' and both hosts leave with a promise to keep the Gigglers updated on the smile situation.
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The final minutes belong to advertisers and the Acast network. An Alexa Plus read positions the AI assistant as a memory-keeping life manager that books, tracks, and plans — free with Amazon Prime. Then the Acast cross-promo for Wrong Turns rolls, with Jameela Jamil pitching her new podcast featuring celebrity guests sharing their most mortifying disaster stories. The tagline: 'Wrong Turns, where dignity goes to die.' A final Acast creator platform tag closes out the episode at the 59-minute mark.
- Masseter Dysport
- An injection of Dysport (a botulinum toxin brand) into the masseter muscle of the jaw, used medically for teeth grinding (bruxism) and TMJ, and cosmetically to slim the face.
- TMJ
- Temporomandibular Joint disorder — a condition causing jaw pain, headaches, and teeth clenching; Hannah mentioned this as her medical reason for the Dysport injection.
- Dysport
- A brand of botulinum toxin type A, similar to Botox, used to temporarily relax muscles; the specific product injected into Hannah's masseter that caused her smile impairment.
- Xeomin
- Another brand of botulinum toxin type A, used for similar cosmetic and medical purposes as Botox and Dysport; mentioned by the injector as an alternative Hannah might have received previously.
- Saline solution injection
- A sterile salt-water injection sometimes used in aesthetics to attempt to dilute or disperse misplaced botulinum toxin; Hannah received this as a remediation attempt.
- Fast-twitch muscles
- Muscle fibers that contract quickly and with more force but fatigue faster; Hannah hoped her fast-twitch muscle composition meant the Dysport would metabolize faster than normal.
- Mogging
- Internet slang meaning to out-attract or dominate others in terms of looks; Hannah joked she 'looks good mogging' with her neutral, non-smiling expression.
- FICO score
- Fair Isaac Corporation credit score — the most widely used credit scoring model in the U.S., ranging from 300 to 850; referenced in the Experian Boost ad.
- 9-year astrological cycle
- A numerological or astrological framework in which a person's life moves through nine yearly phases; Paige's astrologer said years 2 and 7 are typically the hardest.
- Bode
- To be an omen or portend a particular outcome, as in 'bode well' (a positive sign) or 'bode ill'; Hannah used it correctly and was delighted she had.
- People pleaser
- A person with a compulsive tendency to prioritize others' comfort and approval over their own judgment or wellbeing; Hannah used it to explain why she stayed in the clinic despite a gut feeling to leave.
- Manifestation
- The belief that focused intention and positive thinking can attract desired outcomes into reality; Paige's astrologer predicted next year will be her peak 'manifestation year.'
- Code red
- A term indicating a state of emergency or high alert; used here humorously by both hosts to dramatize the seriousness of Hannah's smile situation.
- Old soul
- Informal expression for a person who seems wise, mature, or emotionally developed beyond their chronological age; referenced when Paige's astrologer explained that all her signs correspond to the 'adult' archetype.
- Cannes Lions
- The Cannes Lions International Festival of Creativity — a major annual advertising and creative industry event held in Cannes, France; Hannah and Paige were baffled by everyone attending.
Chapter 1 · 00:00
Sponsor: Opill & YPB by Abercrombie
The episode opens with two sponsor reads before Hannah and Paige say a word. The Opill ad makes the case for over-the-counter birth control, citing the statistic that 1 in 3 women face barriers to prescription access, while touting the pill's FDA approval and 98% efficacy. YPB by Abercrombie follows with a lifestyle pitch around buttery-soft active sets perfect for Pilates, outdoor walks, and brunch — all squarely in the Giggly Squad demographic. Both reads are polished and concise, setting the commercial framing before the hosts dive into chaos.
Claims made here
Opill is 98% effective when used as directed.
Opill ad notes roughly one-third of women encounter obstacles accessing prescription birth control, making over-the-counter options more important.
Opill, the first OTC daily birth control pill in the U.S., is FDA-approved and 98% effective when used correctly.
Chapter 2 · 01:29
Hannah Calls an Emergency Press Conference
The moment the sponsors clear, Hannah wastes no time: she has something to confess, and it's not funny. Well — it kind of is. Paige admits she's been giggling about it privately for weeks, which Hannah begrudgingly accepts as the silver lining. Hannah sets the philosophical stage by noting that the whole point of Giggly Squad is collective learning from shared mistakes — and with signature self-awareness, concedes that in all their episodes, neither host has absorbed a single lesson. Paige co-signs: 'We haven't learned a goddamn thing.' The setup is perfectly calibrated — silly enough to feel light, honest enough to carry real weight.
Hannah got masseter Dysport at a clinic she did zero research on, and days later her smile stopped working — right before a 3-week TV hosting gig in Toronto. She describes the gut feeling she ignored, the injector who started freaking out, and the Reddit spiral that followed at 3 AM.
Hannah's Dysport disaster exposes the fundamental paradox of Giggly Squad: it's meant to be a shared learning experience, but neither host has ever actually changed their behavior. They joke, they commiserate — and then they walk right back into the same choices.
Chapter 3 · 03:40
The Dysport Disaster: From Clinic to Crisis
Here's the story in full: Hannah went to get masseter Dysport for her TMJ — a procedure she'd had twice before, just at a different place — without looking anything up, without providing a medical history, and with a gut feeling she politely ignored. [1] — Hannah Berner "Hannah got masseter Dysport at a clinic she did zero research on, and days later her smile stopped working — right before a 3-week TV hosti…" 01:39 When she woke up and tried to smile a few days later, something was wrong. She put lotion on her face, assuming dry skin. She went to an interview, still feeling off. Then reality hit. The injector, initially cheerful, started to panic when Hannah mentioned her upcoming 3-week Toronto TV hosting gig — because Dysport peaks at two weeks. Hannah sought a second opinion in Westhampton, got saline solution injected across her face as a remediation attempt, and then came home, went to Pilates, and wound up in a sauna alone on Reddit at 3 AM reading accounts of people who couldn't smile for six months.
Claims made here
Dysport peaks at 2 weeks after injection, which the injector warned would coincide with Hannah's 3-week Toronto hosting job.
Losing the ability to smile can trigger depression, according to a study Hannah found online.
Hannah Berner got masseter Dysport at an unfamiliar clinic without charting history and developed a significantly impaired smile within days.
The injector told Hannah that Dysport peaks at 2 weeks, which coincided with her 3-week Toronto TV hosting job.
Mid-Dysport crisis, Hannah goes to Pilates to feel normal. A Giggler recognizes her and Hannah stares back with a face that reads as pure contempt. She then spends the whole class preemptively explaining to strangers that she just has broken face, not a bad attitude.
Chapter 4 · 10:30
Navigating Daily Life Without a Smile
Going to Pilates turns out to be an adventure when your resting expression reads as pure contempt. [1] — Hannah Berner "Losing your smile isn't just cosmetic — it rewires how you move through the world. Hannah talks about feeling like a bitch at the grocery s…" 17:50 A fan recognized Hannah mid-class, received a neutral stare in return, and Hannah had to preemptively explain her broken face to everyone around her. Meanwhile, Paige was receiving a running commentary of FaceTime updates — including the alarming research finding that an inability to smile is scientifically linked to depression. Hannah describes the deeper social texture of the experience: buying things at stores and being perceived as a bitch, trying to do mercy laughs that no longer work, and looking at other people's smiles with the same desperate longing a sick person feels for a clear nostril. She also checked the Giggly YouTube comments, where fans were already noticing something was off — with one commenter kindly defending her: 'She's probably going through something.'
Before Hannah went public, fans on Giggly Squad's YouTube noticed something was off with her face, with commenters defending her and speculating about anxiety.
Losing your smile isn't just cosmetic — it rewires how you move through the world. Hannah talks about feeling like a bitch at the grocery store, being unable to do mercy smiles for Uber drivers, and how she now obsessively stares at other people's smiles like someone obsessing over breathing during a cold.
Chapter 5 · 19:00
Emotional Support, Family, and Finding Perspective
When the Reddit rabbit hole and the dark thoughts got too heavy, Hannah drove to her mom's. Her mom's response to seeing Hannah's face was immediate: 'Maybe don't smile.' That's when Hannah's mom tricked her into running a 5K — partly to get her out of her own head, partly so she could watch her do the national anthem. Hannah showed up in Coco Gauff tennis shoes holding two Arizona Iced Teas and a banana, looking miserable, and the internet focused entirely on the footwear. She hasn't cried once during the whole ordeal, she tells Paige — she processes through self-directed anger rather than sadness. But when she steps back, the picture is still okay: no cancer, Butter the cat is fine, she's tan, and her speech is improving when she enunciates slowly. Paige helped by role-playing with her the night before — refusing to look at Hannah while she delivered a monologue, to confirm she still sounded great.
Chapter 6 · 21:25
Sponsor Block: BetterHelp, Kachava & Bombas
Paige takes the BetterHelp read, tying it naturally to the episode's emotional undercurrent — the stigma of asking for help, the normalizing value of talking about mental health, and the platform's 30,000+ therapist network serving over 6 million people globally. The listener gets 10% off at betterhelp.com/gigglysquad. Kachava follows with its travel nutrition pack pitch, emphasizing fiber alongside protein (a pointed differentiator) and its clean ingredients list. Bombas closes the block with sport-specific socks — sweat-wicking, blister-fighting, arch-supported — and 20% off at bombas.com/audio with code AUDIO. All three reads are delivered smoothly and tie loosely to the hosts' active lifestyle aesthetic.
Claims made here
BetterHelp's 2026 State of Stigma report found 85% of Americans believe getting mental health support is wise, yet 74% say society discourages people from seeking it.
BetterHelp has over 30,000 therapists and has served over 6 million people globally.
BetterHelp has an average live session rating of 4.9 out of 5 based on over 1.7 million client reviews.
QWO is the #1 rated business phone system on G2 and is trusted by over 90,000 businesses.
BetterHelp's 2026 State of Stigma report found 85% of Americans believe getting support is wise, yet 74% say society discourages it.
BetterHelp is described as the world's largest online therapy platform with over 30,000 therapists and more than 6 million people served globally.
Chapter 8 · 26:00
Paige's $500 Astrology Reading: Year 7 and the Manifestation Year Ahead
Fresh from a $500 astrology reading, Paige arrives at recording both rattled and energized. [1] — Paige DeSorbo "Paige dropped $500 on an hour-long astrology chart reading and came out knowing she's in year 7 of a brutal 9-year cycle — but next year is…" 26:00 The astrologer — whom she'll put in the newsletter — laid out a 9-year cycle framework where years 2 and 7 are universally the hardest. Paige is currently in year 7. The saving grace: next year is her strongest manifestation year ever, with off-the-charts powers of intention. She says she mentally 'blacked out' during the hour-long session from information overload, so she has to relisten to the recording he sent her. The most emotionally resonant moment: he told her all three of her zodiac signs correspond to the 'adult' archetype — she has never had an inner child, doesn't do crybaby, and was running a fake company called Teeter-Totter at recess. He also touched on fertility, saying motherhood has 'free range' in her chart and will be the first time she ever feels truly fulfilled. Hannah almost cries.
Claims made here
Paige's astrologer told her she is in year 7 of a 9-year life cycle, with years 2 and 7 being the hardest.
Paige's astrologer's predictions from their 2020 session all came true, including a major career change and a breakup.
Paige dropped $500 on an hour-long astrology chart reading and came out knowing she's in year 7 of a brutal 9-year cycle — but next year is her ultimate manifestation year. The astrologer's 2020 predictions all came true, and this time he sees Giggly Squad thriving and fertility 'free range.'
Paige's astrologer told her she is in year 7 of a 9-year cycle — one of the hardest years — but that next year will be her best manifestation year.
Paige's astrologer hadn't done a reading with her in 6 years — since 2020 — and everything he predicted in that session came true, including a major career change.
Paige DeSorbo paid $500 for a one-hour astrology chart reading, describing the experience as so information-dense she mentally 'blacked out.'
Paige's astrologer told her that motherhood is so deeply embedded in her chart that she has 'free range' to start and stop whenever — but once she does start, it becomes her whole life and the first time she ever truly feels fulfilled. Hannah nearly cried.
Chapter 9 · 31:00
Sponsor Block: PetSmart & Experian Boost
Hannah takes the PetSmart read with genuine enthusiasm, tying it to her dedication to Daphne and Butter — because celebrating a cat's birthday is 'a need, not a want.' The ad covers in-store, online, and auto-ship options. Paige follows with the Experian Boost read, framing it around the relatable frustration of paying bills on time for years without seeing it reflected in your credit score. The product adds qualifying recurring payments to your Experian credit file and instantly updates your FICO score — by an average of 14 points for users who received a boost. The read also cleverly uses a dating analogy: 'Red flag, he Venmo requests you for coffee. Green flag, he raises his FICO score with Experian Boost.'
Claims made here
Experian Boost can instantly raise users' FICO Score 8 by an average of 14 points.
Paige's mom started teaching her parking lot safety drills from age 5 — keys between fingers, eyes up, sprint to the car. It definitely didn't help Paige's anxiety, but now in Albany she's still scanning strangers for concealed weapons on daily walks.
Paige's astrologer revealed all three of her signs are the 'adult' archetype — she was born with no inner child, no crybaby tendencies, and zero patience for nonsense. At recess, she was running a fake company called Teeter-Totter. The chart just confirmed what everyone already knew.
Despite significant distress over her impaired smile, Hannah Berner says she hasn't cried once, channeling the stress into anger at herself instead.
Experian Boost can instantly raise users' FICO score by an average of 14 points by adding on-time bill payments to their credit file.
Chapter 11 · 43:26
Actors, On-Set Romance, and the Javier Bardem–Kate Hudson Question
Javier Bardem and Kate Hudson are making out all over New York City for a movie, and Hannah can't stop thinking about Penélope Cruz. [1] — Paige DeSorbo "Javier Bardem is filming kiss scenes with Kate Hudson all over NYC, and Hannah can't stop thinking about it. Paige drops the surprising tak…" 43:26 She launches a full role-play in which Hannah plays Bardem trying to explain the situation and Paige plays the increasingly unmoved partner. The conversation expands into which professions statistically lend themselves to infidelity — professional athletes, A-list actors — and whether on-screen romance ever becomes truly mundane. Paige's most surprising insight: if your partner comes home complaining about their love interest, that's the red flag. You should feel completely neutral about a co-star. Feeling nothing means the work is just work. Hannah backs her up, recalling a tennis shoot where she had to smile at a male model for five minutes and briefly wondered if he was her husband.
Javier Bardem is filming kiss scenes with Kate Hudson all over NYC, and Hannah can't stop thinking about it. Paige drops the surprising take: if your actor partner comes home complaining about their love interest, that's actually worse than silence — you should feel nothing about a co-star.
The girls role-play as Javier Bardem defending his make-out scenes with Kate Hudson to Penélope Cruz. The counterintuitive conclusion: if your actor partner never mentions their co-star, that's healthy. If they come home complaining about her constantly, you have a problem.
Chapter 12 · 47:50
Baby Names, Exes, and Paige's College Summer Fling
The conversation drifts toward future children and baby names, where Hannah and Paige discover a shared grievance: past relationships make it impossible to use certain names. Hannah's version is especially brutal — she only dates men with names she actually likes, so every attractive name she'd ever consider has now been emotionally compromised. Paige went through an ex's phone once and found a girl with her all-time favorite baby name — she never recovered. She also reveals she dated someone named Desmond in college, an Irish-eyed boy who rang the doorbell to pick her up for dinner and gave her a proper summer fling at age 20. Hannah's proposed rule for her own future children: no names that require a nickname, because she refuses to let her kids waste precious seconds of their lives explaining 'it's short for Francine.'
Hannah and Paige commiserate over exes permanently destroying baby names. Hannah's rule: she only dates guys with names she likes, so now every attractive name is off the table. Paige once went through a guy's phone and found a girl with her favorite baby name — she never recovered.
Chapter 13 · 51:40
Cannes, Festivals, and Taylor Swift's MSG Wedding
Hannah opens this section with genuine confusion about why every person in media seems to be in Cannes simultaneously — including for an advertising festival — when you could just do a Zoom. Paige notes that everything is a festival now. The segue into Taylor Swift feels natural: both are spectacles that raise questions about necessity and scale. But Paige's position here is a full reversal from prior skepticism. [1] — Paige DeSorbo "Paige admits she previously rolled her eyes at Taylor Swift's rumored Madison Square Garden wedding but has fully come around. The security…" 52:50 She walks through her reasoning: MSG is arguably the most iconic arena in the best city in the world. The security detail would be impenetrable to paparazzi. Swift has performed there and probably sold it out early in her career, making it personally meaningful. And as a billionaire, she has the resources to make it look like a completely different venue entirely. Hannah imagines Travis Kelce turning to Swift mid-reception and whispering: 'We forgot to say I do.' Paige says her own wedding vision is getting chiller by the year — she just needs enough outfit changes and one perfect drone shot.
Claims made here
Taylor Swift is reportedly planning to get married at Madison Square Garden, with around 1,000 people invited.
Paige admits she previously rolled her eyes at Taylor Swift's rumored Madison Square Garden wedding but has fully come around. The security is unbeatable, the energy is iconic, and being a billionaire means you can turn the ice rink into anything you want.
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Actress filming a movie with Javier Bardem in NYC, requiring on-screen kiss scenes; used as a case study in discussing actor fidelity.
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Discussed in the context of rumors she plans to marry Travis Kelce at Madison Square Garden.
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Actor married to Penélope Cruz, spotted filming romantic scenes with Kate Hudson all over NYC, prompting a fidelity discussion.
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Actress and wife of Javier Bardem; used as the hypothetical wronged partner in the discussion about actors kissing co-stars.
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Episode sponsor and online therapy platform; ad references their 2026 State of Stigma report about therapy stigma.
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Episode sponsor; Paige highlights new beauty products available exclusively at Sephora including One/Size blotting spray and Kayali fragrances.
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Botulinum toxin brand injected into Hannah's masseter muscle that caused her smile impairment, the central crisis of the episode.
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Episode sponsor; a free credit-building tool that adds on-time bill payments to your Experian credit file to instantly raise FICO scores.
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Episode sponsor; a family location-sharing app that Paige uses to track her parents when they don't pick up the phone.
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Episode sponsor; the first FDA-approved over-the-counter daily birth control pill in the U.S., estrogen-free and 98% effective.
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Episode sponsor; a plant-based complete nutrition shake brand offering travel packs with protein, fiber, probiotics, and more.
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Rumored venue for Taylor Swift's wedding; Paige defends it as iconic with unbeatable security.
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City where Hannah has a major 3-week TV hosting gig, the stakes that made her Dysport smile crisis most urgent.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
About 1 in 3 women face barriers to accessing prescription birth control in the U.S.
Opill is 98% effective when used as directed.
BetterHelp's 2026 State of Stigma report found 85% of Americans believe getting mental health support is wise, yet 74% say society discourages people from seeking it.
BetterHelp has over 30,000 therapists and has served over 6 million people globally.
BetterHelp has an average live session rating of 4.9 out of 5 based on over 1.7 million client reviews.
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