Speaker
Stephen Dubner
Appearances over time
6 episodes
Episodes
6
Podcasts
Quotes & moments
US healthcare makes up nearly 20% of GDP and employs more people than any other industry, making its sludge unusually costly.
Polls show approximately 7 in 10 Americans believe the higher education system in the US is headed in the wrong direction.
The WHO estimates roughly 7 million people die every year from exposure to fine particles in polluted air — at least double global COVID deaths in 2020.
There are now 12 US states plus the District of Columbia where some form of assisted dying is legal, with Oregon being the first in 1997.
The World Health Organization estimates that 99% of people around the world sometimes breathe air that exceeds WHO pollution guidelines.
The global video game market has grown from $13 billion at the turn of the century to nearly $200 billion today, surpassing movies and music combined.
Assisted dying has been legal in Switzerland since 1942, making it the longest-running legal framework for the practice in the modern world.
The New York Times reportedly acquired Wordle from creator Josh Wardle for a price reported to be in the low seven figures, a bargain given the tens of millions of new users it brought.
Roughly 5% — or 1 in 20 — deaths in Canada now run through the government-run assisted suicide program, prompting backlash against Canadian laws.
Backgammon and its variants have been played continuously in the Middle East since approximately 3000 BCE, making it one of the oldest board games in recorded history.
A 2024 Gallup survey found that 71% of Americans believe doctors should be allowed by law to end a patient's life by painless means when the patient and family request it.
One estimate places the annual economic cost of air pollution at $6 trillion — about 5% of global GDP.
New York's Medical Aid in Dying Act, signed by Governor Hochul and effective August 2025, requires a terminal prognosis of 6 months or less for eligibility.
In 1990, 58% of Americans said they had a great deal of concern about air pollution; today that number has fallen to only 40%.
Vanderbilt University enrolls about 7,300 undergraduates and 6,300 graduate and professional students.
FarmVille had 83 million monthly players in 2010 and generated 12% of Facebook's revenue by its 2012 IPO. Then players wised up, fatigue set in, and the bubble burst. Jonathan Knight — who ran FarmVille — is now betting the NYT won't make the same mistake.
AI companies have told the NYT their models still can't reliably solve Connections. The misdirects, the human trickery — that's irreplaceable. Players can smell a machine-made game, and they don't come back.
In 1924, the New York Times editorial board called crossword puzzle enthusiasm 'sinful waste.' Last year, NYT puzzles were played 11.2 billion times. The century-long arc of the paper's relationship to games is the episode's funniest irony.
The NYT tests new games in Canada first, watching day-1, day-7, and day-30 retention above all else. If people come back, it's because the game made them feel accomplished. If they don't, no solve rate fix can save it.
Zimmerman's game design instincts surfaced in 5th grade when he made a board game about the digestive system where players were food particles trying to get pooped out. It wasn't very fun — but it was the beginning.
Crossplay — essentially a clean, elegant Scrabble — requires account creation and has produced some of the best retention metrics Jonathan Knight has seen in his career. It also ships with an AI-powered Game Review feature so players actually improve.
Games aren't just entertainment — they're the best framework for understanding how digital culture works. Just as Wikipedia replaced encyclopedias by making users into authors, games turn passive audiences into active participants in systems of information.
Game designers don't make graphics or code — they make rules. The art is constructing a space of possibility where players surprise even their creators, the same way grammar can't explain Shakespeare.
Josh Wardle built Wordle for friends and family. By January 2022 it had 300,000 users and was exploding on Twitter. Jonathan Knight, sick with COVID, got on the phone with Wardle and closed the deal in weeks — for a reported low seven figures.
A decade ago, the NYT had only 1 million digital subscribers, a shrinking newsroom of 1,300 journalists, and no clear path to growth. The pivot to subscription-first, powered in part by games like Wordle, has taken them to nearly 13 million — with a target of 15 million by 2027.
Gamification borrows points, levels and badges from games — but leaves behind the thing that actually matters: creative problem-solving, productive conflict, and the freedom to play. It reduces cuisine to nutrition facts.
Eleven days after Pearl Harbor, the NYT's Sunday editor wrote a memo arguing for a crossword puzzle to give the public mental engagement during bleak blackout hours. The same logic applies today.
Gamification — using game mechanics like leaderboards and badges to change behavior — looks like play but isn't. Real games involve creative risk, productive conflict, and genuine stakes. Frequent flyer miles are not games.
The video game market is now worth nearly $200 billion — up from $13 billion in 2000. That makes it bigger than movies and music put together, and explains why every media company is rushing to claim a piece.
Wordle cost the NYT a reported low seven figures and brought tens of millions of new users. That makes it one of the most cost-effective media acquisitions ever — compared to the $1 billion paid for the Boston Globe, which sold for $70 million.
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