Ayesha Rascoe opens by transporting listeners back to the summer of 2020, when the murder of George Floyd sent protest movements rippling across America. In Seattle, something extraordinary happened: a standoff with protesters escalated until police simply walked away from their own precinct, and protesters filled the vacuum by building CHOP — an Occupy-style autonomous zone complete with medical teams, art installations, and armed security. The experiment lasted three weeks before ending in gunfire. The victim was Antonio Mays Jr., a 16-year-old Black teenager from Southern California. The gunfire, Rascoe notes pointedly, came from people inside CHOP itself — the same people who had come to protest police violence. Six years later, nobody has been charged. Rascoe introduces the series as the work of NPR Embedded reporters Will James and Sydney Brownstone, who spent over a year investigating the case, and warns listeners the episode contains explicit language and the sound of gun violence.

Sydney Brownstone lived just blocks from CHOP, and when an editor called the morning of June 29 to ask if she could report from the scene, she ran out of her apartment and walked toward the protest. The first blocks looked normal — dog walkers, rainbow crosswalks, a leather daddy bar, familiar Capitol Hill. But the moment she crossed onto 12th Avenue, the world changed. CHOP had been there for three weeks, an Occupy-style camp spread across roughly 8 square blocks of the neighborhood. On that particular morning, it was a crime scene. Crowds were screaming in the street. A protester was carrying a baseball bat. Black clergy members prayed over a blood-smeared car. Brownstone quickly learned what had happened: two Black teenagers had been shot hours earlier, one fatally. His name was Antonio Mays Jr.

On the ground that morning, Brownstone sought witnesses willing to describe what had happened. Protesters told her a white Jeep had been driving through the camp erratically — circling, seemingly trying to run people over. They said they heard shots coming from inside the Jeep, and that CHOP's defenders returned fire. One witness estimated at least 30 shots were fired. The account was clear and consistent: CHOP was under attack, and they had defended themselves. Protesters were visibly certain. But Brownstone found herself deeply unsettled. The scene was too chaotic for anyone to be sure of anything, she thought — and yet the story seemed to be cementing itself in real time, before the facts were established.

Will James picks up the thread: he too was covering protests in 2020 and, like Brownstone, was waiting for the investigation to produce answers. Why had this Black teenager attacked CHOP? Would protesters reckon with what happened? Would police arrest anyone? Instead, the case quietly faded from public consciousness, and both reporters turned their attention elsewhere. The protesters' account was never really challenged. That changed in 2023, when Antonio Mays Sr. filed a lawsuit against the city of Seattle that presented a radically different story: his son hadn't attacked CHOP at all. Antonio Jr. had come to Seattle to join the protest — to be part of the civil rights movement of his generation. Antonio Sr. alleged his son was killed in cold blood by armed vigilantes operating without legal authority, and he demanded accountability.

After the lawsuit was filed, reporters Brownstone and James began their investigation in earnest, conducting nearly 100 interviews and reviewing never-before-public evidence over more than a year. They quickly ran into what they would come to call a circle of silence: protesters, police, and city officials all refusing to engage meaningfully. They describe their central finding as a disturbing pattern — when the people in charge and the people demanding change both decide self-protection matters more than accountability, justice for the victim disappears. Will James frames their work as a probe into what happens when institutions and movements fail their most basic responsibilities. Their first interviewee is the father at the center of it all: Antonio Mays Sr.

As Brownstone interviews Antonio Mays Sr. over Zoom, he walks to a bookshelf overflowing with worn paperback fantasy novels — R.A. Salvatore, Raymond Feist, The Legend of Drizzt — books his son read so many times the spines were battered. He describes Antonio Jr. as a nerd in the best sense, always with a book in his pocket. He also describes a close partnership: father and son working the barbecue business together, Antonio Jr. practicing julienne cuts at home, helping sell handcrafted sauce at farmers markets, lighting up when he talked to customers. This was a young man his father was grooming to take over the family business. And Antonio Sr. taught his son something else too: Black history. Martin Luther King. Malcolm X. The Watts Riots. The Black Panthers. He raised Antonio Jr. to understand what it means to be Black in America, to know how to behave if police confronted him. That education, he now agonizes, set his son on a trajectory toward Seattle.

The interview reaches its most shattering moment when Antonio Mays Sr. reflects on the education he gave his son. He is deeply proud of the young man Antonio Jr. became, proud that he had the courage to make the trip to Seattle, proud he stood up for something. But when Brownstone presses him on the mixed feelings he carries, Antonio Sr. says what no parent should ever have to say: if giving his son back his life meant unlearning everything he taught him about race and justice and history, he would do it without hesitation. 'To hell with Black history,' he says. It is not a political statement. It is grief, raw and complete.

When Brownstone asks Antonio Sr. when he last heard from Seattle Police about his son's case, the answer is stark: 2020. After that, phones went silent. He was told by different people that the case had been reassigned, then that it had been closed. He never got a definitive answer and eventually couldn't reach anyone. Reporters James and Brownstone say they were taken by surprise: Seattle Police had told them the investigation was still open and active. Yet the victim's father — who should be the most closely informed person in any murder case — had been left completely in the dark. After the interview, reporters reached out to Seattle Police for comment on when they had last contacted Antonio Sr.; the department declined, citing the open investigation. For Antonio Sr., the silence is the clearest signal he has received about whether justice is coming.

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To understand how Antonio Mays Jr. came to be killed inside CHOP, the reporters briefly lay out the protest's origins. George Floyd was murdered, thousands took to Seattle's streets, and police deployed crowd control weapons as a standoff formed outside the Capitol Hill precinct. After a week of escalating tension, police made a decision that shocked the country: they retreated, abandoning the precinct entirely. Protesters filled the vacuum, establishing CHOP across 8 square blocks with tents, art, medical teams, and armed security. Police adopted a hands-off posture, agreeing only to enter for life-threatening emergencies. And throughout it all, citizen journalists and livestreamers documented virtually every moment — creating the trove of video evidence that now sits at the center of an unsolved murder.

David Gutmann, a colleague at the Seattle Times who has followed the case from the beginning, helps the reporters analyze three key livestreams recorded the night of June 29, 2020. The first, shot from a park in the middle of CHOP just before 3 AM, shows a panicked livestreamer as a white Jeep drives through the soccer field and shots are heard. The second, shot from an apartment above CHOP, captures the sounds of the fatal gunshots but is obscured by a tree. In this footage, the Jeep crashes into city-placed cement barricades, backs up, and crashes again under heavy fire. And then — in what Gutmann calls a 'surreal' moment — an unidentified voice yells at the boys inside the car: 'Oh, you're not dead, huh? Want to get pistol whipped?' The boys, at this point, have been shot multiple times. The third livestream, shot by Ashley Durellis, shows the immediate aftermath: chaos, protesters trying to treat the two shot teenagers, and a crashed Jeep riddled with bullet holes.

In the quieter minutes after the two teenagers are rushed away for medical care, Ashley Durellis keeps her camera rolling. It catches a figure — chest-down only, work boots, cargo pants, a leather jacket, carrying a plastic bag — walking the scene. Audibly, this person says he needs to pick up his shell casings and take them home. Ashley seems to thank him. David Gutmann's read on the exchange is blunt: in his mind, Ashley was thanking the man for shooting the two boys she believed were a threat to the protesters. Durellis had purposely avoided filming faces throughout her coverage, a deliberate practice among CHOP livestreamers to protect protesters' identities. The upshot: a likely shooter apparently destroying forensic evidence was captured on a public livestream, and six years later he has never been identified or charged.

The reporters track down Ashley Durellis at her job — a café where she's simultaneously managing the drive-through and taking a Zoom call — and press her about the man on her video. She describes him as a big white man and is emphatic: he is the shooter. She says she kept following him around because she wanted police to find him. Her own arrest came about a week after she posted her video; cops swarmed her on a street corner and took her away in a police van on a charge of rendering criminal assistance — essentially, helping cover up a crime. She was never formally charged. What she reveals about police priorities is striking: when they interrogated her, she says, they asked one question about the shooter but spent most of their time trying to get her to identify other protesters who had been at the scene. In Durellis's telling, police were more interested in the protest movement than in the murder.

When reporters press Ashley Durellis further — does she know who the man was beyond just 'a big white guy'? — she invokes Fight Club: what happened at CHOP stays at CHOP. David Gutmann confirms this mirrors what reporters encountered throughout a year of investigation: he believes people out there know who shot Antonio Mays Jr. and are simply not talking. Ashley reinforces this, noting that everybody at CHOP was armed and calling the idea of formal 'security' a fiction — if having a gun made you security, then everyone was security. Will James picks up the narrative thread reporters need to unravel: who was CHOP security? Why did some protesters arm themselves? And how did a movement built around protesting Black death end up with a Black teenager's killing at its center? The next episode, he teases, will go back to the beginning.

Ayesha Rascoe thanks reporters Will James and Sydney Brownstone, along with colleague David Gutmann, editors Luis Trelles and Laura Grineas, producer Adelina Lancianese, and the full Sunday Story team. She directs listeners to NPR's Embedded podcast for the next episode, which she notes is already available for NPR+ subscribers. The episode closes with a sponsored message from Middie Health, a virtual care platform for women in perimenopause and menopause, featuring testimonials from the company's co-founders.