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Ben Castleman
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Block, the payments company, announced plans to lay off almost half its workforce, with CEO Jack Dorsey attributing the move to AI changing what it means to build and run a company.
Around 200 economists signed a statement warning that AI could be an unprecedented economic transformation, larger than the Industrial Revolution but unfolding over a vastly shorter period.
Economists describe AI adoption following a J-curve pattern: productivity initially drops as companies struggle to integrate the technology, then surges once they master it.
The China Shock wiped out tens of thousands of furniture manufacturing jobs in the Hickory, North Carolina area alone after cheap Chinese imports flooded the market.
The U.S. monthly jobs report does not break out the tech industry as its own category; tech jobs are spread across information, professional services, and manufacturing sectors established decades ago.
The internet wiped out or dramatically reduced entire job categories — typists, travel agents, bank tellers — but so gradually that workers had time to pivot, meaning it was not experienced as mass unemployment.
The U.S. unemployment insurance system was exposed as fundamentally broken during the COVID-19 pandemic, and economists warn it would be inadequate for an AI-driven labor disruption.
The trade adjustment assistance program developed in the 1990s to help workers displaced by globalization never successfully reached many of the workers it was designed to help.
Credible reports from serious economists using private-sector data (ADP, LinkedIn, Indeed) reach polar-opposite conclusions — some showing job losses in AI-exposed occupations, others showing AI-adopting companies adding jobs faster.
Economists are skeptical of CEOs citing AI for layoffs because companies are rewarded by investors for AI-related announcements, giving executives a financial incentive to use AI as cover for decisions made for other reasons.
The U.S. monthly jobs report doesn't even have a tech industry category — that classification was set up decades ago. The result: we cannot isolate what AI is doing to the labor market in real time, leaving policymakers and workers essentially flying blind.
Investors are rewarding companies that make big AI claims, so CEOs who overhired and need to cut have a powerful incentive to frame layoffs as AI-driven productivity gains rather than management errors. Economists are deeply skeptical of headline AI layoff announcements.
Around 200 economists signed a statement warning that AI could be an unprecedented transformation of the economy — potentially larger than the Industrial Revolution, but compressed into a vastly shorter timeframe. That compression is exactly what makes it dangerous.
The internet wiped out entire job categories — typing pools, travel agents, bank tellers — but it did it slowly enough that people had time to retrain, redirect careers, and retire naturally. That gradualness is the single reason we remember the 1990s as a boom, not a crisis.
When trade opened with China in the early 2000s, furniture manufacturing towns like Hickory, NC lost tens of thousands of jobs in months. Workers couldn't move because no one would buy their houses. Entire communities collapsed, bringing addiction, poverty, and political grievance in their wake. That's the template for what rapid AI disruption could look like.
The single variable that will determine whether AI is a manageable transition or an economic catastrophe is speed. A slow rollout, like the internet, lets workers pivot and new industries fill gaps. A fast one, like the China Shock, destroys communities with no escape route.
Congress and state capitals are having early conversations about AI's economic impact, but no party from either side has produced a comprehensive plan that experts believe will actually work. The gap between the scale of potential disruption and the state of policy preparation is enormous.
During the internet boom, the answer was clear: go to college, pursue tech-adjacent careers. Today, Ben Castleman admits he genuinely doesn't know what major to recommend or even whether college is the right path — because the AI revolution is reshaping career landscapes faster than anyone can map them.
Economists and policy experts are now seriously floating ideas like the government taking equity stakes in AI companies to fund a sovereign wealth fund, or implementing universal basic income. The fact that these ideas are in circulation at all signals how extraordinary the potential disruption is considered to be.
New technology always looks awkward before it looks transformative. Economists call it the J-curve: initial productivity drops as companies fumble with the new tool, followed by a sharp surge once they master it. We are almost certainly still in the trough — which means the big impact, positive or negative, is still ahead.
Credible economists using private-sector data from ADP, LinkedIn, and Indeed are reaching polar-opposite conclusions about AI's job impact. One serious report shows entry-level workers in AI-exposed roles losing jobs. Another equally credible report shows AI-adopting companies hiring faster than others.
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