Dave Meyer opens by acknowledging the headwinds hammering real estate in 2026 — rising interest rates, sluggish rent growth, deals that would have been home runs two years ago now barely penciling out. But rather than conceding defeat, he pivots to the episode's core argument: buy-and-hold investing rewards patience, and the current market actually tilts in favor of the investor willing to handpick one or two high-upside assets per year rather than scale aggressively. He previews Chad Carson's evolving buy box, his off-market strategies, and the overarching philosophy of building a portfolio designed around the lifestyle you want — not the portfolio size someone else told you to hit.

With introductions complete, Dave Meyer establishes the episode's collaborative dynamic: three experienced investors who see the same market through different lenses. Chad Carson is positioned not as a mega-portfolio builder but as someone who has deliberately and successfully stayed small — and who argues that staying small is a strategy, not a consolation. Henry Washington brings his own active investor perspective, and together the three signal this will be less theory and more lived experience.

Chad Carson opens his contribution by grounding the conversation in his own portfolio reality: a late-stage, deliberate pace of building or buying 2–3 homes annually in Clemson, South Carolina, while selling off 1–2 weaker assets each cycle. He frames experimentation as the key discipline — not growth at all costs, but iterating on what works without overcommitting capital. His two-path framework emerges clearly: either engineer a low price through hustle and negotiation, or identify a truly rare asset in an exceptional location and accept a lower cash-on-cash return (even just 1–2%) in exchange for low maintenance, strong demographics, and a sticky tenant. ^{[1] — Chad Carson "1-2% cash-on-cash acceptable for premium assets: Chad argues that buying a premium-quality property in a rare, high-demand location can jus…" 04:55 Play} This framework sets the intellectual foundation for everything that follows.

Henry Washington reframes the conversation around a startup analogy: the lean methodology of fail fast, fail often, and maximize your rate of learning. Applied to real estate, this means the first thing to experiment with isn't the property itself — it's the marketing strategy that surfaces the deal. Chad reinforces this with a simple prescription: get in a car, or better yet on a bike, and start driving for dollars. Find vacant houses, for-sale-by-owners, and for-rent-by-owners. It's deliberately unscalable — and that is precisely its value. ^{[1] — Chad Carson "Driving — or biking — for dollars is deliberately unscalable, and that's exactly why it works. Chad Carson would hop on a bike in a target …" 06:28 Play} The section lands on a key insight: in 2026, you can't buy at retail and expect it to work, so the energy that veteran investors have automated away is your competitive moat.

This chapter delivers the episode's sharpest insight. Henry Washington openly admits that investors with years of experience — himself included — have grown lazy, relying on automation to pull lists and send mail without ever touching the process themselves. The implication is stark: any deal-finding tactic that requires manual effort, multiple steps, or human interaction is one that experienced investors have opted out of. That's the new investor's moat. ^{[1] — Henry Washington "If you are doing that too, you're competing with me. But if you're getting out and you're riding your bike and you're identifying propertie…" 08:10 Play} Henry illustrates with the example of finding an address, using Claude for skip tracing, and calling the owner while still standing in the neighborhood — a level of immediacy and personalization that no automated system can replicate. Chad chimes in with a memorable real-world example: spending weeks tracking down a property owner through a cousin in Ohio, making a cold call, and buying a deal that multiple other investors had already given up on. ^{[2] — Chad Carson "Multiple investors had tried and given up on this vacant property. Chad Carson spent weeks digging through relatives until he found a cousi…" 08:55 Play}

The conversation shifts into a practical inventory of deal channels that most investors have forgotten or abandoned. Henry makes the headline call: foreclosure auctions are back. ^{[1] — Henry Washington "Foreclosure auctions sat dormant for years, so most investors forgot about them. Henry Washington says they're back, they're fertile, and t…" 10:30 Play} After years of inactivity, barely anyone is showing up — and the people who are there are cash-rich local operators with off-market inventory to sell. Pre-foreclosures offer a lower-risk alternative: reach sellers before the auction, skip the title risks, and close through a normal process with title insurance. Probate lists, which must be pulled manually from city or county offices, are especially valuable precisely because automated systems can't easily access them — layers of friction that keep competition low. ^{[2] — Henry Washington "The harder a list is to pull, the less competition you'll face. Henry Washington walks through why probate lists pulled directly from the c…" 13:00 Play} Chad adds eviction records and code violation lists to the mix, recalling his early career habit of sitting in courthouses with a laptop, manually logging paper files. The chapter closes with a rallying cry: those rubbing their hands together during bad markets are the 50- and 60-year veterans who know this is when fortunes are made.

Dave Meyer steps back from the tactical weeds to deliver the episode's clearest strategic principle. The advantage of being a small investor is that you have no operational overhead, no quota to hit, and no team to manage. That freedom should be channeled entirely into one thing: finding the absolute best two deals available in your market every single year. Henry and Chad confirm that this commitment, maintained consistently, will yield results regardless of market conditions. ^{[1] — Dave Meyer "2 great deals per year target: Dave Meyer argues that spending all your available real estate time hunting just two excellent deals per yea…" 15:30 Play} The simplicity of the message cuts through the noise that dominates real estate investing discourse and offers listeners a genuinely actionable north star.

The mid-episode break features five sponsor segments woven around real estate investor pain points. Indeed offers a $75 job credit to help property managers and landlords hire maintenance and leasing staff more efficiently, citing 27 hires per minute across its platform. Rent to Retirement pitches turnkey new construction homes at 10% below market value with financing as low as 3.75% and partial down-payment returns at closing. NREIG emphasizes proper claim-time coverage over cheap policy pricing for investment properties. Flock Homes introduces the 721 exchange as an alternative to a 1031 or a full sale, converting individual properties into shares of a diversified managed portfolio. Airbnb rounds out the break with its Co-host Network, framing idle properties — guest rooms, second homes, a primary residence during travel — as untapped income engines.

Chad pivots from deal finding to portfolio architecture, introducing a strategy he's experimenting with in Clemson and watching a Charlotte student execute at volume: build or flip three properties, sell two to keep private lenders paid and capital cycling, and retain the third as a long-term rental. ^{[1] — Chad Carson "Build or flip three properties, sell two to keep your capital and lenders happy, keep one as a long-term rental. Chad's Charlotte student i…" 20:20 Play} The discipline of keeping at least one out of every three is what separates flippers who build wealth from those who simply generate income. Chad then zooms out to what he calls the 'harvesting phase' — the portfolio stage where investors stop adding and start pruning. A student who grew to 21 properties realized the worst assets were eating his time and capital; he sold down to 9, paid off debt, and redirected the remainder into private lending. ^{[2] — Chad Carson "More properties isn't the finish line. Chad's student hit 21 rentals, realized the worst ones were eating his time and capital, sold down t…" 21:30 Play} Henry confirms he's on the same path, selling problem properties and consolidating around his best assets.

Henry Washington draws on corporate project management to argue that every real estate deal should end with a formal lessons-learned review: what went well, what didn't, what would you pay someone else to handle next time. For a small-and-mighty investor doing only a handful of deals per decade, each transaction carries disproportionate learning weight. Chad adds the caveat that self-reflection is hard when you're in momentum mode — which is exactly why community matters. He cites his mentor Louis Stone, a private lender with skin in the game, who quietly declined to fund deals in a D+ neighborhood in Anderson, SC, redirecting Chad's trajectory before he locked into a problematic location. ^{[1] — Chad Carson "Chad was locked in on a block of Anderson, SC properties with enticing numbers and a lousy neighborhood grade. His private lender, Louis St…" 24:50 Play} Henry mirrors this with his own community conversations around deals that only pencil out if a complex, never-attempted-before ADU project also succeeds — a warning sign that the base deal doesn't stand on its own. The section closes with Dave's real-time example of talking himself out of a deal until the seller lowered the price to where the numbers finally worked. ^{[2] — Dave Meyer "The best underwriting habit is trying to kill the deal. Dave Meyer describes literally telling a seller no — and watching the price drop un…" 28:30 Play}

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Chad reframes buy box selection entirely through the lens of the customer — the tenant. Every decision flows from who will live there and whether they'll stay as long as possible, pay on time, and love the home. That logic leads him straight back to the single-family house — unfashionable in an era that celebrates multifamily and mixed-use — because it's what most American renters actually aspire to. ^{[1] — Chad Carson "Every business starts with the customer. Chad's version: start with the tenant. His ideal renter wants a house with a garage and a backyard…" 34:10 Play} His specific ideal: brick exterior, single-story ranch, approximately 1,500 square feet, hardwood floors, tile bathroom, fenced backyard. Low maintenance in every detail. Henry echoes the philosophy with his Northwest Arkansas version: '70s-to-'90s brick construction, concrete foundation, a discount available because of age and lack of updates, but built to last. Chad jokes that NW Arkansas sounds like rental property nirvana once you add its acclaimed bike trail network into the picture. The chapter makes clear that both investors have evolved away from chasing yield and toward engineering for operational simplicity and tenant longevity.

Henry sets up the BPCon conversation by praising the conference as the best place to find mentors, network with deal-hungry peers, and get honest feedback on portfolio decisions. Chad's response is characteristically self-aware: he writes speeches for himself first. His 2026 closing keynote will center on 'enough' — the deliberately subversive idea that successful investing isn't defined by scale but by the life it funds. ^{[1] — Chad Carson "The real estate investing world spoon-feeds the idea that success means scale. Chad's BPCon 2026 closing keynote will flip that script — ce…" 36:58 Play} Chad describes the investors who inspire him most as the ones nobody's ever heard of: quiet owners of 5, 15, or 25 paid-off properties who work 1–2 hours a week, travel freely, and contribute meaningfully to their communities. That's the model the keynote will celebrate. He closes with the nuance that reaching financial 'enough' doesn't mean stopping — it means redirecting entrepreneurial ambition toward family, community nonprofits, and personal growth rather than more square footage. Dave confirms BPCon runs October 2–4 in Orlando, with early bird pricing available for a limited time.

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