578 - Getting Back Together with an Ex: Great Idea or Terrible Idea?
Only about 15% of people who get back together with an ex actually stay together — and half the time it's not because the relationship improved, but because the alternatives felt worse.
Multiamory: Rethinking Modern Relationships
578 - Getting Back Together with an Ex: Great Idea or Terrible Idea?
Only about 15% of people who get back together with an ex actually stay together — and half the time it's not because the relationship improved, but because the alternatives felt worse.
TL;DR
Multiamory hosts Dedeker, Emily, and Jace dig into the science and personal psychology of getting back together with an ex — from the Zeigarnik effect's "unfinished loop" pull [1] — Emily Matlack "A 2011 Journal of Social Psychology study found that uncertainty about whether a breakup was truly permanent was the top driver of reconcil…" 25:40 to research showing only ~15% of reconciliations actually stick [2] — Emily Matlack "Only 15% get back & stay together: A survey by ExBackPermanently found only about 15% of people who reconcile with an ex stay together long…" 09:12 . They share their own candid stories, explore how non-monogamy changes the "ex" equation [3] — Emily Matlack "In non-monogamy, the clean break that monogamous culture assumes after a relationship ends often doesn't exist. You may still share a polyc…" 40:07 , and close with a practical journaling framework: write the relationship's ending, list three concrete things that have changed, and have an honest "what would be different" conversation before jumping back in [4] — Emily Matlack "Before rekindling with an ex, run four checks: write a complete ending to the relationship and see if the desire fades; list three concrete…" 53:53 .
The Multiamory hosts discuss getting back together with an ex — covering personal stories, research on reconciliation rates, the Zeigarnik effect, and special considerations for non-monogamous folks.
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The episode opens in medias res with Dedeker Winston voicing the core paradox of reconciliation: it's not a light-switch moment back to happiness but a relationship that begins already in debt, carrying the pain of whoever did the dumping. The hosts — Jace, Emily, and Dedeker — introduce themselves and the Multiamory Podcast's philosophy of looking forward rather than maintaining the status quo. Jace then frames the episode's scope: science, the psychological pull toward exes, and special considerations for non-monogamous listeners. The book plug and community link are delivered before the conversation proper begins, setting up a structurally rich episode that will weave personal anecdote with peer-reviewed research.
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With the question 'Have you ever gotten back together with an ex?' the hosts turn the lens on themselves. Jace describes his experiences as more of a drift than a formal reconciliation — reconnecting with someone romantically but never quite re-entering a full relationship, always ending in a gentle drift apart. Emily recalls a high-school boyfriend she got back together with in college. Dedeker, meanwhile, deflects with a meme about God sending an ex back to check whether you're still stupid — before admitting she returned to the same person multiple times without specifying how many. Jace's mother's story proves the episode's most surprising data point: she has twice reconnected with high school sweethearts, one time 15–20 years later and another 40 years on, both after intervening marriages. Emily reveals she is the outlier — when a relationship ends for her, it stays ended — while acknowledging she has pined.
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Emily takes the hosts through the numbers, beginning with a 2014 study on relationship churning in emerging adulthood that found nearly half of young adults reported a breakup followed by a reunion, with over half of those also continuing a sexual relationship with the ex. The Good Men Project survey of 4,534 people aged 18–55 found 32% of exes attempted reconciliation — a figure that surprises Jace ('That's a third — that's wild!') — but only 18% of those stayed together longer than a year. The ExBackPermanently website survey adds a third perspective: 15% stay together, 14% break up again, making it essentially a coin toss, though the hosts note the obvious self-selection bias of that particular sample. The conversation turns to what this really means: the real question isn't whether you can get back together, but whether anything has actually changed. [1] — Emily Matlack "32% of exes attempt reconciliation: A Good Men Project survey of 4,534 people aged 18–55 found that 32% of exes attempted to get back toget…" 08:25
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Emily examines why people often feel pulled back to relationships formed in earlier life stages, starting with college. Campus Explorer data shows 28% of married graduates met their spouse at the same institution — a figure that feels low to Emily given her partner's social circle but is still statistically remarkable. [1] — Emily Matlack "28% of married grads met at college: Campus Explorer data shows 28% of married college graduates attended the same college as their spouse,…" 14:32 The hosts reflect on how college concentrates proximity, shared life stage, and unstructured time in a way adult life almost never replicates; Jace wistfully notes that as adults, the only way to meet people is through work or deliberate meetups. Emily then pivots to Barry Schwartz's Paradox of Choice: with an enormous number of potential partners theoretically accessible through dating apps, the abundance can paradoxically feel overwhelming rather than liberating. [2] — Emily Matlack "College concentrates thousands of similar-aged, similarly-educated people in close proximity with abundant unstructured time — conditions n…" 12:40 A partner who seemed 'almost right' at 23 may look considerably more appealing at 35 when the dating pool has contracted and many desirable people are already partnered, which the hosts connect directly to the impulse to revisit exes. Jace adds that an ex who was once married carries a peculiar social proof — someone thought they were marriage-worthy, which raises their perceived desirability.
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Emily introduces Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik, who discovered in the 1920s that waiters remembered open orders in fine detail until the check was paid, then forgot everything — an observation that generalises to all unfinished psychological tasks. [1] — Emily Matlack "Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik found that people remember incomplete tasks in sharp detail until they're finished — then forget them i…" 21:55 The hosts immediately relate: they all forget what they said in episodes the moment they stop recording. But the implications for relationships are weightier. When a relationship ends ambiguously — fizzling out without a clear reason, or someone ghosting — the mind treats it as an open task and keeps returning to it, seeking the resolution that never came. Dedeker shares a personal example: a college relationship that ended suddenly left her ruminating for years, replaying the tapes for signs she missed, feeling that person was 'the one that got away.' Emily asks whether the hosts have experienced similar situations, and Jace connects the concept to the show's earlier episode on closure (Episode 527), noting the curious symmetry: an unfinished relationship can pull you toward re-engaging to close it, or toward seeking separate closure to end it once and for all. [1] — Emily Matlack "Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik found that people remember incomplete tasks in sharp detail until they're finished — then forget them i…" 21:55
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Emily presents a 2011 Journal of Social Psychology study finding that lingering attachment and uncertainty about whether a breakup was truly permanent were the most common reasons people decided to try again. The hosts unpack the asymmetry this creates: one person thinking 'it's over for now but maybe not forever' while their ex considers it definitively finished. Jace connects this to the social habit of softening breakup language — the gentle 'let's see what happens' framing that inadvertently leaves the door ajar. Emily then offers three filtering questions for anyone in this situation: Has something actually changed that would make the relationship better? Do you want that person, or just resolution? And would you still want them if you had a fully satisfying answer to what went wrong? Dedeker adds a fourth: am I genuinely attracted to this person, or am I just dissatisfied with my current life or dating situation? The group agrees that boredom, loneliness, or frustration with dating can warp the perceived quality of past relationships by making familiar even-if-bad feel comfortable.
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Emily shifts to the documented costs of relationship churning, citing a 2009 University of Texas at Austin study of 445 college students — two-thirds of whom had experienced an on-again/off-again relationship. Those couples reported significantly lower feelings of love and understanding compared to those in stable relationships. [1] — Emily Matlack "On-again/off-again reduces love & understanding: A 2009 University of Texas study of 445 college students found on-again/off-again partners…" 30:40 Jace proposes an alternative read: perhaps the low positivity scores aren't just a product of the churning, but a cause — people may be cycling back not because the relationship was great, but because being alone felt worse or because self-esteem left them feeling there were no better options. Dedeker adds the repair-debt framing that opened the episode: getting back together isn't a neutral restart but a relationship that begins already carrying the pain of having been dumped or dumped someone, creating a 'laundry list' of work before the connection can even feel stable. [2] — Dedeker Winston "Repair debt when getting back together: Getting back together with an ex isn't a clean reset — there is a 'laundry list' of repair work inc…" 31:50 Each cycle compounds this, digging the attachment-security hole a little deeper every time.
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Jace unpacks the relationship commitment equation: a person's sense of commitment is governed by their positives minus negatives (feelings about the relationship itself), multiplied or modified by their investment in it, and then reduced by their perception of available alternatives. [1] — Jace Lindgren "The relationship commitment equation weighs positives minus negatives against investment, and then subtracts the perception of alternatives…" 34:10 The same formula explains workplace behaviour — people who browse job boards feel more likely to quit, not because their job has gotten worse but simply because their perceived alternatives have improved. Applied to dating, a shrinking pool (because people are partnering up or aren't to one's taste) makes a familiar, pre-vetted ex look more attractive even if nothing about them has actually changed. Emily returns to the 2009 qualitative follow-up study confirming this: participants who went back to exes often did so not because anything had improved in the original relationship, but because the alternatives were disappointing. [2] — Emily Matlack "A 2009 qualitative study found that people often went back to exes not because the relationship had improved, but because new dating experi…" 33:25 The group agrees the key question remains: are you going back because it was genuinely good and could be better, or because the other options felt worse?
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Emily opens the non-monogamy segment by noting that monogamous friends often never see an ex again, while in non-monogamous communities an ex may remain embedded in a shared polycule, community events, or even ongoing consensual intimacy under a different relational label. [1] — Emily Matlack "In non-monogamy, the clean break that monogamous culture assumes after a relationship ends often doesn't exist. You may still share a polyc…" 40:07 Dedeker reflects that she has been fortunate — exes she doesn't want to see are largely disconnected from her current networks, while exes still in her orbit tend to be ones she has genuinely reconciled with and is happy to see flourishing with new partners. But she notes the more cynical pattern: being openly polyamorous creates a sheen of perpetual availability, causing past partners to reappear — sometimes under the guise of 'asking about non-monogamy' for themselves and their spouse. Jace observes that in monogamy, a partnered person is essentially off-limits, creating a frantic window when someone becomes newly single. In non-monogamy, that window never fully closes — it may be mostly shut ('polysaturated, but there's a crack'), but it rarely disappears entirely. This shifts the dynamic for exes considering a return.
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Emily develops the structural flexibility argument: in monogamy, a relationship either is or isn't, with a fairly prescribed set of shapes it can take. In non-monogamy, a person who once occupied a primary-partner role could become a comet partner if they moved away, or a periodic connection if intensive involvement no longer works. [1] — Jace Lindgren "The non-monogamous world praises 'transitioning a relationship' but side-eyes 'getting back with an ex' — yet if you follow standard advice…" 48:00 The relationship can be revisited and restructured rather than simply restarted or discarded. Jace observes a cultural double standard within the polyamorous community itself: 'transitioning a relationship' is celebrated as sophisticated and evolved, while 'getting back together with an ex' is treated with suspicion. Yet if someone follows standard advice — take space, heal, reassess — the result looks identical to reconciliation. The label, not the process, carries the moral weight. The hosts agree that re-engaging with an ex under a genuinely different structure, chosen deliberately rather than out of longing or lack of options, could actually be a healthier and more creative outcome than either a full restart or a clean cut.
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In the episode's most memorable stretch, Dedeker introduces a taxonomy of exes she finds more useful than 'good or bad relationship': trash exes — obviously done, obviously unhealthy — and fridge exes — relationships in the back of the fridge that you're not sure are still good. [1] — Dedeker Winston "Some exes belong in the trash — obviously bad, obviously done. The dangerous ones are the 'fridge exes': relationships with unresolved pote…" 49:00 The trash ones are easy; it's the fridge exes that create real trouble. She then tells a true story: starving and poor, she smelled a questionable package of bacon, decided it passed every reasonable test, cooked it, and made herself horrifically ill. The metaphor lands with devastating precision: even careful, thorough, therapist-assisted due diligence doesn't guarantee that a revisited relationship won't poison you. [2] — Dedeker Winston "I smelled the bacon, I was like, it smells fine. I looked at the bacon, like, it looks fine... Made myself so sick, like poisoned myself ho…" 50:10 Jace connects the fridge/trash distinction back to the closure discussion — fridge exes are the ones that feel unfinished, and the fridge is where the Zeigarnik effect keeps pulling you. Emily adds the corrective: if you feel depleted or like you have no other options, even a fridge ex will look more appetising than it should. The hosts crystallise the episode's core tool: before reaching for that leftover, make sure you actually want the food — not just that you're starving.
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Emily offers actionable steps grounded in the episode's research for anyone seriously considering reaching out to an ex. Step one is the Zeigarnik check: write a complete, specific ending to the relationship and see whether the desire to reconnect diminishes once the loop is provisionally closed. Step two is to list three concrete — not abstract — things that are different now: circumstances, patterns, personal growth, logistics. Not 'we'll communicate better' but 'we now live in the same city' or 'I've done two years of therapy.' Step three is honest accounting: make a list of what genuinely didn't work and a list of what did, compare them, and see whether the positives still outweigh the negatives in the light of accurate memory rather than nostalgia. [1] — Emily Matlack "Before rekindling with an ex, run four checks: write a complete ending to the relationship and see if the desire fades; list three concrete…" 53:53 Step four, before any formal reunion, is a 'what would be different' conversation with the actual person — because their answer will be the best predictor of whether this sticks. For non-monogamous listeners, Emily adds a structural-role audit: decide together what role this person will play in your life, because it doesn't have to replicate the previous form. Jace closes with enthusiasm for the creative possibility this opens — not just 'how would we behave differently' but 'what kind of relationship do we actually want to build this time?'
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Emily wraps with the episode's question of the week, asking listeners: have you gotten back together with an ex? How did it go? What changed, what didn't, how long did it last? She directs engagement to the Discord episode discussion channel and the private Facebook group, both accessible at multiamory.com/join, and invites public sharing on Instagram @multiamory_podcast. The standard credits roll: Multiamory is created and produced by Jace Lindgren, Dedeker Winston, and Emily Matlack, with production assistance from Carson Collins. The theme song is 'Forms I Know I Did' by Josh and Anand from the Fractal Cave EP, and a full transcript is available on the episode's page at multiamory.com.
- Zeigarnik Effect
- A psychological phenomenon where people remember unfinished or interrupted tasks more vividly than completed ones; applied here to unresolved relationship endings that keep pulling people back.
- Relationship Churning
- The pattern of repeatedly breaking up and reconciling with the same partner; associated in research with lower relationship quality and attachment instability.
- Polycule
- A network of people connected through romantic or sexual relationships in a non-monogamous context; relevant because members may remain entangled with exes through shared links in the network.
- Polysaturated
- Informal term in non-monogamy for when a person feels they have reached their personal capacity for partners or relationships and cannot take on more.
- De-escalation
- In non-monogamous relationships, intentionally reducing the intensity or commitment level of a relationship (e.g. from primary partner to occasional companion) rather than ending it entirely.
- Comet partner
- A non-monogamous relationship structure where someone appears in your life periodically — often when visiting from afar — with warmth and connection but without ongoing daily presence.
- Commitment equation
- A social psychology model where commitment is determined by the positives of a relationship minus its negatives, modified by how much one has invested and how attractive the available alternatives seem.
- Reconciliation
- Re-entering a romantic relationship with a former partner after a period of separation; used technically in the cited studies to mean a breakup followed by a reunion.
- Relationship escalator
- The cultural script of progressive relationship milestones (dating, exclusivity, cohabitation, marriage, children) that non-monogamy often deliberately opts out of.
- Paradox of Choice
- Barry Schwartz's theory that an overabundance of options increases anxiety and dissatisfaction rather than freedom; invoked here to explain why a shrinking dating pool can make familiar exes more appealing.
- Qualitative follow-up
- A research method that complements quantitative survey data by asking participants to describe their experiences in their own words, revealing motivations that numbers alone cannot capture.
- Sunk cost
- Resources (time, effort, emotion) already spent that cannot be recovered; a sunk-cost mindset can irrationally motivate staying in or returning to a relationship because of prior investment.
- Churning
- In relationship research, the cycle of breaking up and getting back together repeatedly with the same partner; distinct from a single reconciliation attempt.
- Social proof
- The psychological tendency to view something as more desirable because others have validated it; used here to describe how an ex who was once married appears more romantically valuable as a result.
- Ruminating
- Repeatedly and compulsively thinking over a past event or problem; the speakers use it to describe obsessively replaying a breakup looking for an explanation.
Chapter 1 · 00:00
Cold Open & Intro: Starting in the Negative
The episode opens in medias res with Dedeker Winston voicing the core paradox of reconciliation: it's not a light-switch moment back to happiness but a relationship that begins already in debt, carrying the pain of whoever did the dumping. The hosts — Jace, Emily, and Dedeker — introduce themselves and the Multiamory Podcast's philosophy of looking forward rather than maintaining the status quo. Jace then frames the episode's scope: science, the psychological pull toward exes, and special considerations for non-monogamous listeners. The book plug and community link are delivered before the conversation proper begins, setting up a structurally rich episode that will weave personal anecdote with peer-reviewed research.
Chapter 2 · 01:22
Personal Stories: Have You Ever Gone Back?
With the question 'Have you ever gotten back together with an ex?' the hosts turn the lens on themselves. Jace describes his experiences as more of a drift than a formal reconciliation — reconnecting with someone romantically but never quite re-entering a full relationship, always ending in a gentle drift apart. Emily recalls a high-school boyfriend she got back together with in college. Dedeker, meanwhile, deflects with a meme about God sending an ex back to check whether you're still stupid — before admitting she returned to the same person multiple times without specifying how many. Jace's mother's story proves the episode's most surprising data point: she has twice reconnected with high school sweethearts, one time 15–20 years later and another 40 years on, both after intervening marriages. Emily reveals she is the outlier — when a relationship ends for her, it stays ended — while acknowledging she has pined.
Jace's mother got back together with two different high school partners — one about 15–20 years later, one about 40 years later — illustrating how early-life relationships can resurface decades on.
Chapter 3 · 07:20
The Statistics: How Common Is Reconciliation Really?
Emily takes the hosts through the numbers, beginning with a 2014 study on relationship churning in emerging adulthood that found nearly half of young adults reported a breakup followed by a reunion, with over half of those also continuing a sexual relationship with the ex. The Good Men Project survey of 4,534 people aged 18–55 found 32% of exes attempted reconciliation — a figure that surprises Jace ('That's a third — that's wild!') — but only 18% of those stayed together longer than a year. The ExBackPermanently website survey adds a third perspective: 15% stay together, 14% break up again, making it essentially a coin toss, though the hosts note the obvious self-selection bias of that particular sample. The conversation turns to what this really means: the real question isn't whether you can get back together, but whether anything has actually changed. [1] — Emily Matlack "32% of exes attempt reconciliation: A Good Men Project survey of 4,534 people aged 18–55 found that 32% of exes attempted to get back toget…" 08:25
A 2014 study on emerging adults found that nearly half reported a breakup followed by a reunion with the same partner.
Roughly a third of people attempt to get back with an ex, but only around 15% of all couples who reconcile actually stay together. The numbers that claim it's a coin toss come from a self-selected website audience — which may inflate the optimism considerably.
A Good Men Project survey of 4,534 people aged 18–55 found that 32% of exes attempted to get back together.
A survey by ExBackPermanently found only about 15% of people who reconcile with an ex stay together long-term.
Chapter 4 · 12:40
College as Relationship Incubator & the Paradox of Choice
Emily examines why people often feel pulled back to relationships formed in earlier life stages, starting with college. Campus Explorer data shows 28% of married graduates met their spouse at the same institution — a figure that feels low to Emily given her partner's social circle but is still statistically remarkable. [1] — Emily Matlack "28% of married grads met at college: Campus Explorer data shows 28% of married college graduates attended the same college as their spouse,…" 14:32 The hosts reflect on how college concentrates proximity, shared life stage, and unstructured time in a way adult life almost never replicates; Jace wistfully notes that as adults, the only way to meet people is through work or deliberate meetups. Emily then pivots to Barry Schwartz's Paradox of Choice: with an enormous number of potential partners theoretically accessible through dating apps, the abundance can paradoxically feel overwhelming rather than liberating. [2] — Emily Matlack "College concentrates thousands of similar-aged, similarly-educated people in close proximity with abundant unstructured time — conditions n…" 12:40 A partner who seemed 'almost right' at 23 may look considerably more appealing at 35 when the dating pool has contracted and many desirable people are already partnered, which the hosts connect directly to the impulse to revisit exes. Jace adds that an ex who was once married carries a peculiar social proof — someone thought they were marriage-worthy, which raises their perceived desirability.
College concentrates thousands of similar-aged, similarly-educated people in close proximity with abundant unstructured time — conditions nearly impossible to replicate in adult life. Campus Explorer data shows 28% of married graduates met their spouse at the same college.
Campus Explorer data shows 28% of married college graduates attended the same college as their spouse, making college one of the most fertile grounds for long-term partnership.
Chapter 6 · 21:20
The Zeigarnik Effect: Why Your Brain Won't Let Go
Emily introduces Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik, who discovered in the 1920s that waiters remembered open orders in fine detail until the check was paid, then forgot everything — an observation that generalises to all unfinished psychological tasks. [1] — Emily Matlack "Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik found that people remember incomplete tasks in sharp detail until they're finished — then forget them i…" 21:55 The hosts immediately relate: they all forget what they said in episodes the moment they stop recording. But the implications for relationships are weightier. When a relationship ends ambiguously — fizzling out without a clear reason, or someone ghosting — the mind treats it as an open task and keeps returning to it, seeking the resolution that never came. Dedeker shares a personal example: a college relationship that ended suddenly left her ruminating for years, replaying the tapes for signs she missed, feeling that person was 'the one that got away.' Emily asks whether the hosts have experienced similar situations, and Jace connects the concept to the show's earlier episode on closure (Episode 527), noting the curious symmetry: an unfinished relationship can pull you toward re-engaging to close it, or toward seeking separate closure to end it once and for all. [1] — Emily Matlack "Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik found that people remember incomplete tasks in sharp detail until they're finished — then forget them i…" 21:55
Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik found that people remember incomplete tasks in sharp detail until they're finished — then forget them instantly. Ambiguous breakups trigger the same loop, making you chase closure rather than the actual person.
Soviet psychologist Bluma Zeigarnik found in the 1920s that people remember unfinished tasks in sharp detail until they are completed — a mechanism that may drive the urge to revisit unresolved relationships.
Chapter 7 · 25:40
Do You Want Them, or Do You Want Resolution?
Emily presents a 2011 Journal of Social Psychology study finding that lingering attachment and uncertainty about whether a breakup was truly permanent were the most common reasons people decided to try again. The hosts unpack the asymmetry this creates: one person thinking 'it's over for now but maybe not forever' while their ex considers it definitively finished. Jace connects this to the social habit of softening breakup language — the gentle 'let's see what happens' framing that inadvertently leaves the door ajar. Emily then offers three filtering questions for anyone in this situation: Has something actually changed that would make the relationship better? Do you want that person, or just resolution? And would you still want them if you had a fully satisfying answer to what went wrong? Dedeker adds a fourth: am I genuinely attracted to this person, or am I just dissatisfied with my current life or dating situation? The group agrees that boredom, loneliness, or frustration with dating can warp the perceived quality of past relationships by making familiar even-if-bad feel comfortable.
A 2011 Journal of Social Psychology study found that uncertainty about whether a breakup was truly permanent was the top driver of reconciliation attempts. People who weren't sure it was over were significantly more likely to try again — even if the underlying relationship issues hadn't changed.
A 2011 Journal of Social Psychology study found that uncertainty about whether a breakup was permanent was one of the key drivers of reconciliation attempts.
Chapter 8 · 29:55
The Toxic Side: On-Again/Off-Again Relationships and Repair Debt
Emily shifts to the documented costs of relationship churning, citing a 2009 University of Texas at Austin study of 445 college students — two-thirds of whom had experienced an on-again/off-again relationship. Those couples reported significantly lower feelings of love and understanding compared to those in stable relationships. [1] — Emily Matlack "On-again/off-again reduces love & understanding: A 2009 University of Texas study of 445 college students found on-again/off-again partners…" 30:40 Jace proposes an alternative read: perhaps the low positivity scores aren't just a product of the churning, but a cause — people may be cycling back not because the relationship was great, but because being alone felt worse or because self-esteem left them feeling there were no better options. Dedeker adds the repair-debt framing that opened the episode: getting back together isn't a neutral restart but a relationship that begins already carrying the pain of having been dumped or dumped someone, creating a 'laundry list' of work before the connection can even feel stable. [2] — Dedeker Winston "Repair debt when getting back together: Getting back together with an ex isn't a clean reset — there is a 'laundry list' of repair work inc…" 31:50 Each cycle compounds this, digging the attachment-security hole a little deeper every time.
A 2009 University of Texas study of 445 college students found that people in on-again/off-again relationships reported significantly less love, stability, and understanding than those in consistently stable relationships. The cycle itself — not just the incompatibility — seems to corrode connection.
A 2009 University of Texas study of 445 college students found on-again/off-again partners reported significantly less love and understanding than those in stable relationships.
Rekindling with an ex means taking on a substantial repair job before the relationship can even feel neutral. There's the work of diagnosing what went wrong, but also the raw emotional reality that someone did the dumping — and that wounds don't vanish when you get back together.
Getting back together with an ex isn't a clean reset — there is a 'laundry list' of repair work including processing past pain like having been dumped, meaning the relationship starts slightly in the negative.
Dedeker Winston observed that each on-again/off-again cycle digs the 'security hole' of the relationship a little deeper, compounding attachment instability with every reconciliation and split.
A 2009 qualitative study found that people often went back to exes not because the relationship had improved, but because new dating experiences were simply disappointing by comparison. It's settling upward from a bad situation, not choosing the right person.
A 2009 qualitative follow-up study found that participants returned to exes not because the original relationship improved, but because new dating experiences felt worse by comparison.
Chapter 9 · 34:00
The Commitment Equation & Why Alternatives Change Everything
Jace unpacks the relationship commitment equation: a person's sense of commitment is governed by their positives minus negatives (feelings about the relationship itself), multiplied or modified by their investment in it, and then reduced by their perception of available alternatives. [1] — Jace Lindgren "The relationship commitment equation weighs positives minus negatives against investment, and then subtracts the perception of alternatives…" 34:10 The same formula explains workplace behaviour — people who browse job boards feel more likely to quit, not because their job has gotten worse but simply because their perceived alternatives have improved. Applied to dating, a shrinking pool (because people are partnering up or aren't to one's taste) makes a familiar, pre-vetted ex look more attractive even if nothing about them has actually changed. Emily returns to the 2009 qualitative follow-up study confirming this: participants who went back to exes often did so not because anything had improved in the original relationship, but because the alternatives were disappointing. [2] — Emily Matlack "A 2009 qualitative study found that people often went back to exes not because the relationship had improved, but because new dating experi…" 33:25 The group agrees the key question remains: are you going back because it was genuinely good and could be better, or because the other options felt worse?
The relationship commitment equation weighs positives minus negatives against investment, and then subtracts the perception of alternatives. The same formula explains why browsing LinkedIn makes you want to quit your job — and why a dwindling dating pool makes an ex's stock mysteriously rise.
Chapter 11 · 40:07
Non-Monogamy & the Ex: A Different Calculus
Emily opens the non-monogamy segment by noting that monogamous friends often never see an ex again, while in non-monogamous communities an ex may remain embedded in a shared polycule, community events, or even ongoing consensual intimacy under a different relational label. [1] — Emily Matlack "In non-monogamy, the clean break that monogamous culture assumes after a relationship ends often doesn't exist. You may still share a polyc…" 40:07 Dedeker reflects that she has been fortunate — exes she doesn't want to see are largely disconnected from her current networks, while exes still in her orbit tend to be ones she has genuinely reconciled with and is happy to see flourishing with new partners. But she notes the more cynical pattern: being openly polyamorous creates a sheen of perpetual availability, causing past partners to reappear — sometimes under the guise of 'asking about non-monogamy' for themselves and their spouse. Jace observes that in monogamy, a partnered person is essentially off-limits, creating a frantic window when someone becomes newly single. In non-monogamy, that window never fully closes — it may be mostly shut ('polysaturated, but there's a crack'), but it rarely disappears entirely. This shifts the dynamic for exes considering a return.
In non-monogamy, the clean break that monogamous culture assumes after a relationship ends often doesn't exist. You may still share a polycule, a community, or even ongoing intimacy with an ex — making the 'ex' category fundamentally different from its monogamous equivalent.
Being openly polyamorous signals continued availability to past partners in a way that monogamy does not, prompting exes to 'come crawling back' based on the assumption of openness.
Chapter 12 · 45:45
Relationship Structure Flexibility in Non-Monogamy
Emily develops the structural flexibility argument: in monogamy, a relationship either is or isn't, with a fairly prescribed set of shapes it can take. In non-monogamy, a person who once occupied a primary-partner role could become a comet partner if they moved away, or a periodic connection if intensive involvement no longer works. [1] — Jace Lindgren "The non-monogamous world praises 'transitioning a relationship' but side-eyes 'getting back with an ex' — yet if you follow standard advice…" 48:00 The relationship can be revisited and restructured rather than simply restarted or discarded. Jace observes a cultural double standard within the polyamorous community itself: 'transitioning a relationship' is celebrated as sophisticated and evolved, while 'getting back together with an ex' is treated with suspicion. Yet if someone follows standard advice — take space, heal, reassess — the result looks identical to reconciliation. The label, not the process, carries the moral weight. The hosts agree that re-engaging with an ex under a genuinely different structure, chosen deliberately rather than out of longing or lack of options, could actually be a healthier and more creative outcome than either a full restart or a clean cut.
The non-monogamous world praises 'transitioning a relationship' but side-eyes 'getting back with an ex' — yet if you follow standard advice to take space after a breakup and then reassess, the result looks identical. The label, not the process, is doing the moral work.
Chapter 13 · 49:00
Fridge Exes, Trash Exes & the Bacon Parable
In the episode's most memorable stretch, Dedeker introduces a taxonomy of exes she finds more useful than 'good or bad relationship': trash exes — obviously done, obviously unhealthy — and fridge exes — relationships in the back of the fridge that you're not sure are still good. [1] — Dedeker Winston "Some exes belong in the trash — obviously bad, obviously done. The dangerous ones are the 'fridge exes': relationships with unresolved pote…" 49:00 The trash ones are easy; it's the fridge exes that create real trouble. She then tells a true story: starving and poor, she smelled a questionable package of bacon, decided it passed every reasonable test, cooked it, and made herself horrifically ill. The metaphor lands with devastating precision: even careful, thorough, therapist-assisted due diligence doesn't guarantee that a revisited relationship won't poison you. [2] — Dedeker Winston "I smelled the bacon, I was like, it smells fine. I looked at the bacon, like, it looks fine... Made myself so sick, like poisoned myself ho…" 50:10 Jace connects the fridge/trash distinction back to the closure discussion — fridge exes are the ones that feel unfinished, and the fridge is where the Zeigarnik effect keeps pulling you. Emily adds the corrective: if you feel depleted or like you have no other options, even a fridge ex will look more appetising than it should. The hosts crystallise the episode's core tool: before reaching for that leftover, make sure you actually want the food — not just that you're starving.
Some exes belong in the trash — obviously bad, obviously done. The dangerous ones are the 'fridge exes': relationships with unresolved potential that seem like they could still be good. Even thorough due diligence doesn't guarantee safety, as Dedeker's bacon poisoning story vividly illustrates.
Chapter 14 · 53:53
Actionable Framework: Four Steps Before You Reconnect
Emily offers actionable steps grounded in the episode's research for anyone seriously considering reaching out to an ex. Step one is the Zeigarnik check: write a complete, specific ending to the relationship and see whether the desire to reconnect diminishes once the loop is provisionally closed. Step two is to list three concrete — not abstract — things that are different now: circumstances, patterns, personal growth, logistics. Not 'we'll communicate better' but 'we now live in the same city' or 'I've done two years of therapy.' Step three is honest accounting: make a list of what genuinely didn't work and a list of what did, compare them, and see whether the positives still outweigh the negatives in the light of accurate memory rather than nostalgia. [1] — Emily Matlack "Before rekindling with an ex, run four checks: write a complete ending to the relationship and see if the desire fades; list three concrete…" 53:53 Step four, before any formal reunion, is a 'what would be different' conversation with the actual person — because their answer will be the best predictor of whether this sticks. For non-monogamous listeners, Emily adds a structural-role audit: decide together what role this person will play in your life, because it doesn't have to replicate the previous form. Jace closes with enthusiasm for the creative possibility this opens — not just 'how would we behave differently' but 'what kind of relationship do we actually want to build this time?'
Before rekindling with an ex, run four checks: write a complete ending to the relationship and see if the desire fades; list three concrete (not abstract) things that have changed; make honest lists of what did and didn't work; and have a 'what would be different' conversation with the actual person. For non-monogamous folks, also define what structural role this person would play in your life going forward.
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Factual claims made this episode, and whether a source was named.
Nearly half of young adults (teens to early 20s) report a breakup followed by a reconciliation with the same partner.
Over half of young adults who broke up continued a sexual relationship with their ex after the breakup.
32% of exes got back together, and of those, roughly 18% stayed together for over a year after reconciling.
Around 15% of people who get back together with an ex stay together permanently, while 14% get back together and then break up again — roughly a coin toss.
28% of married college graduates attended the same college as their spouse, making college statistically one of the most fertile grounds for long-term partnership.
People in on-again/off-again relationships reported significantly less love and understanding compared to those in consistently stable relationships.
Two-thirds of college students in the 2009 University of Texas study had experienced an on-again/off-again relationship.
Lingering feelings and continued attachment were the most common reasons why partners decided to try their relationship again; uncertainty about whether the breakup was permanent was a key driver.
Some participants in a 2009 qualitative study reported that dating other people after a breakup prompted reconciliation because the new relationships weren't better — not because the original relationship had improved.
Waiters remember orders in complete detail until a bill is paid, then forget everything — an early demonstration of the Zeigarnik effect, discovered in the 1920s.
People who perceive more job alternatives are more likely to leave their current job, even if their actual job satisfaction hasn't changed — demonstrating how perceived alternatives tip the commitment equation.
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Soviet psychologist whose 1920s research on incomplete tasks became the basis for the Zeigarnik effect, cited to explain why unresolved breakups keep pulling people back.
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Author of 'The Paradox of Choice', cited to explain how too many dating options can make familiar past partners seem more appealing by comparison.
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Physician-owned, woman-owned Denver supplement company sponsoring the episode; offers research-backed sexual health and wellness supplements.
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Sponsor offering all wireless plans at $15/month during a summer sale, operating on T-Mobile's 5G network.
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Online sex education platform with 150+ courses sponsoring the episode; offers a 2-minute quiz and 14-day money-back guarantee.
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Website that conducted a survey of 4,534 people aged 18–55 finding 32% attempted ex reconciliation, cited as a primary data source in the episode.
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College statistics website whose survey found 28% of married graduates attended the same college as their spouse.
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Published a 2011 study finding that lingering attachment and ambiguity about whether a breakup was permanent were the most common drivers of reconciliation.
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Provides the 5G network that Mint Mobile (a sponsor) operates on.
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Conducted a 2009 study of 445 college students showing on-again/off-again relationships reported less love and understanding than stable relationships.
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The podcast itself, also associated with a book 'Essential Tools for Modern Relationships' and a subscriber community at multiamory.com/join.
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Dating app mentioned in the episode description as a sponsor available on the App Store and Google Play.
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